The Belgian Blueprint For Success

[boboisared]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2411916/A-BELGIAN-BLUEPRINT-Story-Michel-Sablon-changed-Belgium-team-today.html

 

Interesting piece. Good to see we're taking note although it looks like idiots such as McGhee think it's a horrible idea.

[The Boofon]

I thought the Belgian blue print for success was a load of waffle.

[zander]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2411916/A-BELGIAN-BLUEPRINT-Story-Michel-Sablon-changed-Belgium-team-today.html

 

Interesting piece. Good to see we're taking note although it looks like idiots such as McGhee think it's a horrible idea.

 

Fuds like McGhee and Strachan still cling on to the notion that Glasgow produces great players because its a shit hole and it makes the players tougher.

[Dynamo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2411916/A-BELGIAN-BLUEPRINT-Story-Michel-Sablon-changed-Belgium-team-today.html

 

Interesting piece. Good to see we're taking note although it looks like idiots such as McGhee think it's a horrible idea.

 

Dicks like him will think passion will over come technique and skill. It doesn't.

 

Scottish football's biggest problem is the people involved in it and their stuck in their ways jobs for the boys culture.

 

I'd bring in foreigners when Strachan eventually fails.

[boboisared]

Dicks like him will think passion will over come technique and skill. It doesn't.

 

Scottish football's biggest problem is the people involved in it and their stuck in their ways jobs for the boys culture.

 

I'd bring in foreigners when Strachan eventually fails.

If Wotte is allowed to do his thing then I can see Scottish football flourishing again. Unfortunately this would probably be about 10 years off.

 

From what I've heard the coaching given to Aberdeen and Dundee Utds youths are a huge step in the right direction.

[Jocky Balboa]

Belgium's recipe for success... just like Holland and France.... import tons of Arabs and Africans and pass them off as your own.

 

No thanks, I'd rather Scotland retained it's sense of identity and integrity.

[Foster14]

No thanks, I'd rather Scotland retained it's sense of identity and integrity.

 

[Henry]

Belgium's recipe for success... just like Holland and France.... import tons of Arabs and Africans and pass them off as your own.

 

No thanks, I'd rather Scotland retained it's sense of identity and integrity.

 

Apart from Vertonghen and Benteke, the entire Belgian squad was born in Belguim.

 

Contrast that with the several Englishmen Scotland have playing for them.

 

Identity indeed.

[Foster14]

Apart from Vertonghen and Benteke, the entire Belgian squad was born in Belguim.

 

Contrast that with the several Englishmen Scotland have playing for them.

 

Identity indeed.

 

Aye, but they opened the borders solely to families with good footballing genes, don't ye know?

[Jocky Balboa]

Apart from Vertonghen and Benteke, the entire Belgian squad was born in Belguim.

 

Contrast that with the several Englishmen Scotland have playing for them.

 

Identity indeed.

 

If I was born in Pakistan, Ivory Coast or China, do you think they would accept me as one of their own?

 

It's only Europeans who are bludgeoned into surrendering any sense of identity without being called all sorts.

 

The "Englishmen" we have (although I agree there's too many in there) are mostly of Scottish parentage. The Arabs and Africans that France, Netherlands, Belgium and England have, are immigrants with no heritage or identity relating to the country they represent.

 

I won't apologise for that, because as I said China is Chinese. Japan is Japanese. etc. etc. and we are just as entitled to a Scottish identity as they are theirs. If that means being shyte as football and athletics, so be it.

[Jonty]

craig brown puts it down to "pure good fortune"

 

ahem

 

I'd say he's probably right.

 

5 years ago people everybody was saying we should be copying the Barcelona / Spanish model, just like you hear people today saying we should be copying the Belgians or Germans.

 

Back in 1998 it was all about Clairfontaine and the French.

 

Early / Mid 90's it was copy the Dutch model (SFA even employed Rinus Michels to overhaul our game off the back of it.)

 

Football goes in cycles, and probably the biggest thing impacted on how successful you are is if you have a good crop of players to start with.

[Foster14]

If I was born in Pakistan, Ivory Coast or China, do you think they would accept me as one of their own?

 

It's only Europeans who are bludgeoned into surrendering any sense of identity without being called all sorts.

 

The "Englishmen" we have (although I agree there's too many in there) are mostly of Scottish parentage. The Arabs and Africans that France, Netherlands, Belgium and England have, are immigrants with no heritage or identity relating to the country they represent.

 

I won't apologise for that, because as I said China is Chinese. Japan is Japanese. etc. etc. and we are just as entitled to a Scottish identity as they are theirs. If that means being shyte as football and athletics, so be it.

 

Fantastic!

[Dynamo]

If I was born in Pakistan, Ivory Coast or China, do you think they would accept me as one of their own?

 

It's only Europeans who are bludgeoned into surrendering any sense of identity without being called all sorts.

 

The "Englishmen" we have (although I agree there's too many in there) are mostly of Scottish grandparentage. The Arabs and Africans that France, Netherlands, Belgium and England have, are immigrants with no heritage or identity relating to the country they represent.

 

I won't apologise for that, because as I said China is Chinese. Japan is Japanese. etc. etc. and we are just as entitled to a Scottish identity as they are theirs. If that means being shyte as football and athletics, so be it.

 

Classic.Despite being born in Belgium and living there their entire lives until moving football clubs.

[fatjim]

National identity is a fake concept anyway. If you go back far enough we are all descendants of immigrants.

 

Just another stick for people to beat folk who look a bit different or have a funny accent.

 

You ain't from around here boy.

[Henry]

How long until the current good state of Belgian football is down to a Zionist conspiracy?

[newcastlered]

If I was born in Pakistan, Ivory Coast or China, do you think they would accept me as one of their own?

 

It's only Europeans who are bludgeoned into surrendering any sense of identity without being called all sorts.

 

The "Englishmen" we have (although I agree there's too many in there) are mostly of Scottish parentage. The Arabs and Africans that France, Netherlands, Belgium and England have, are immigrants with no heritage or identity relating to the country they represent.

 

I won't apologise for that, because as I said China is Chinese. Japan is Japanese. etc. etc. and we are just as entitled to a Scottish identity as they are theirs. If that means being shyte as football and athletics, so be it.

I'm pretty sure in the squad for these internationals only zaha and sterling were born outside England and both moved when they were extremely young, better than all the englishmen playing for scotland because they're not good enough to play for england. Also I know some English folk in Newcastle with a scottish parent or grandparent kicking about do they give a fuck about scottish heritage or identity? Do they fuck. I also knew a couple of guys in Aberdeen from kenya and they cared about Scotland the only thing stopping them was people calling them immigrants and not wanting them to consider themselves scottish.

[AndrewW]

If I was born in Pakistan, Ivory Coast or China, do you think they would accept me as one of their own?

 

It's only Europeans who are bludgeoned into surrendering any sense of identity without being called all sorts.

 

The "Englishmen" we have (although I agree there's too many in there) are mostly of Scottish parentage. The Arabs and Africans that France, Netherlands, Belgium and England have, are immigrants with no heritage or identity relating to the country they represent.

 

I won't apologise for that, because as I said China is Chinese. Japan is Japanese. etc. etc. and we are just as entitled to a Scottish identity as they are theirs. If that means being shyte as football and athletics, so be it.

 

Totally legitimate and interesting point.However I think, when looking at players for international football, they should be asking what team they supported growing up. Where one is born or where your parents are born should not be relevant but where you consider home and what nation you think of as your own should matter. Clearly is would be impossible to quantify this but if a youngster plays for another international team when they are younger they shouldn't be allowed to play for a different full team.

 

National identity is a fake concept anyway. If you go back far enough we are all descendants of immigrants.

 

Just another stick for people to beat folk who look a bit different or have a funny accent.

 

You ain't from around here boy.

 

You're probably right but it's quite hard to discuss international football without looking at different nationalities.

[Foster14]

Totally legitimate and interesting point.However I think, when looking at players for international football, they should be asking what team they supported growing up. Where one is born or where your parents are born should not be relevant but where you consider home and what nation you think of as your own should matter. Clearly is would be impossible to quantify this but if a youngster plays for another international team when they are younger they shouldn't be allowed to play for a different full team.

 

 

You're probably right but it's quite hard to discuss international football without looking at different nationalities.

 

Not sure if you could call it all that legitimate a train of thought really. It can easily be picked apart:

 

If I was born in Pakistan, Ivory Coast or China, do you think they would accept me as one of their own?

 

It's only Europeans who are bludgeoned into surrendering any sense of identity without being called all sorts.

 

The "Englishmen" we have (although I agree there's too many in there) are mostly of Scottish parentage. The Arabs and Africans that France, Netherlands, Belgium and England have, are immigrants with no heritage or identity relating to the country they represent.

 

I won't apologise for that, because as I said China is Chinese. Japan is Japanese. etc. etc. and we are just as entitled to a Scottish identity as they are theirs. If that means being shyte as football and athletics, so be it.

 

 

If I was born in Pakistan, Ivory Coast or China, do you think they would accept me as one of their own? It's only Europeans who are bludgeoned into surrendering any sense of identity without being called all sorts.

 

Ignoring the fact that this is childish logic (because someone else does something, then so should I), why've you picked countries that inwards migration will be quite low from Europe? What is the relevance? Why not Japan/South Korea etc with their Brazilians? The US who even have an Aberdonian in their ranks?

 

How does identity come purely from the luck of the draw of where you were born? That seems to be your argument, yet I am sure there are plenty people who naturalise to new countries, and identify with them resultantly.

 

The "Englishmen" we have (although I agree there's too many in there) are mostly of Scottish parentage. The Arabs and Africans that France, Netherlands, Belgium and England have, are immigrants with no heritage or identity relating to the country they represent

 

Your view is that the most important aspect of naturalisation if you aren't born there is the bloodline, rather than spending time living there or growing up there? Really? Even so, in Belgium's case, it was as already pointed out beforehand, the Belgians are largely all second generation "immigrants" at least, and therefore this is irrelevant.

 

That you have less issue with the Englishman who plays for Scotland because they can at least identify us is brilliant considering your views in the independence thread. Yet it is better than born and bred Belgians playing for Belgium!

 

I won't apologise for that, because as I said China is Chinese. Japan is Japanese. etc. etc. and we are just as entitled to a Scottish identity as they are theirs. If that means being shyte as football and athletics, so be it.

 

Except in the globalised world we live in nowadays, it is not that simplistic. You seem to simplify it to if their name sounds right and their appearance seems in order, then all is fine and well...

[fatjim]

Nationalism is pointless anyway, being proud to have been born in a place is the same as being proud to have brown hair.

 

 

totally

 

You might as well say my I am proud that my dad fucked my mum and I came out of her hole in <insert place>

 

You have no choice in the matter.

[tup]

I dinna like the English one bit.

 

Or the Irish, untrustworthy is an understatement.

[RUL]

All I can add is if Mark McGhee thinks it's a bad idea then it must be good, worst Aberdeen manager ever.

[The Hulk]

Pop quiz:

 

Scenario 1

Player born in England to an English mother and a Scottish father. The father has not lived in Scotland since he was 2 years old.

 

Scenario 2

Player born in England to an English mother and a German-born father himself born of 2 Scottish parents.

 

Is one player more deserving of a Scotland cap than the other?

[Bluto10]

I dinna like the English one bit.

 

Or the Irish, untrustworthy is an understatement.

 

you called ME repetitive the other day?

[Bluto10]

i dont know what the blue print is but i think in europe only germany, italy and netherlands have it spot on whereas other countries flit in and out of the top level of international football (iberians, france, england, slavs, etc)

 

i reckon the club level game plays a big part in keeping kids interested in football at critical ages.,

[dave_min]

National identity is a fake concept anyway. If you go back far enough we are all descendants of immigrants.

 

Just another stick for people to beat folk who look a bit different or have a funny accent.

 

You ain't from around here boy.

 

Shuttit Weedgie.

[Sonoftherock]

If Wotte is allowed to do his thing then I can see Scottish football flourishing again. Unfortunately this would probably be about 10 years off.

 

From what I've heard the coaching given to Aberdeen and Dundee Utds youths are a huge step in the right direction.

 

There is a lot resting on this Wotte fellow... from what I hear he seems to be going the right way about things. His twitter account is quite interesting on occasion. Some of the age groups he's been overseeing have had some encouraging results recently - he tweeted this:

 

 

U16 beat Italy 3-1 U17 beat Czech Rep 2-0 U18 beat Holland 2-0 in the last 6 weeks, the younger the player the more we can influence them

[boboisared]

There is a lot resting on this Wotte fellow... from what I hear he seems to be going the right way about things. His twitter account is quite interesting on occasion. Some of the age groups he's been overseeing have had some encouraging results recently - he tweeted this:

Although that's good one thing I'd like to point out that is in my opinion the result is not the most important thing at that stage of development.