Death Penalty, for or against?

[daytripping]

Was just reading about a botched execution, well not really botched just took longer to work than usual, see link.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/04/30/botched-oklahoma-execution-reignites-death-penalty-debate/?tid=pm_pop

 

On the back of this campaigners are calling for executions to be banned and one scheduled for last night has been suspended for a fortnight. I can see both sides of the argument but the next guy to go in the chair raped and killed an 11 Month old baby, for that he doesn't deserve to live imo, if anyone can suggest a good enough reason why I'm wrong it would be good to hear?

 

I'm all for it but can see the injections might not be reliable, for that reason I'd suggest bringing back the rope, quick and easy, no messing around. One of the comments was interesting, they suggested you be killed in the same manner you killed your victim/s, that would be pretty interesting but not impossible in practise.

 

Are you for or against the death penalty?

 

 

[daytripping]

Giving the killer a chance to win his right to live might be good as well, gladiator style in a pit against lions, tigers and bears, that kind of stuff, would make cracking tv.

[diamondsr4ever]

the death penalty is used as a comfort for people of victims, some people sit on death rown for 20-25 odd years at huge costs to the tax payer, Im against it, I say life should be life under the most hardest of conditions, that to may is fair, just and dosent allow society to think that by removing a life, it removes the problem.

[buchanskii]

Against it.

 

I'd only be for it in cases of terrorism where the evidence is incontestable, for example those pricks that killed drummer lee rigby.

[StandFree1982]

For it. But shouldn't be a lengthy Death Row. If it's proven and is a suitable crime, then it should just be a bullet to the head, saving cost and time.

[Henry]

One of the comments was interesting, they suggested you be killed in the same manner you killed your victim/s, that would be pretty interesting but not impossible in practise.

 

 

 

http://splatter.com/man-who-raped-and-murdered-toddler-stepson-gets-gang-raped-and-beaten-by-20-inmates/

 

I'm against it.

[boboisared]

My girlfriend saw a report the other day. Some guy (foreign country) had raped his own child and was sentenced to a long time in jail. He was gang raped by quite a lot of disgusted inmates to such an extent he had to have his arsehole sewn back together.

 

The next day the inmates picked his stitches out and gang raped him again.

 

That guy probably wishes he got the rope.

[Jonty]

Against.

 

If of everybody executed from now until then end of time, only one of them was innocent, then I dont see how you can justify it.

[Henry]

My girlfriend saw a report the other day. Some guy (foreign country) had raped his own child and was sentenced to a long time in jail. He was gang raped by quite a lot of disgusted inmates to such an extent he had to have his arsehole sewn back together.

 

The next day the inmates picked his stitches out and gang raped him again.

 

That guy probably wishes he got the rope.

 

I posted a link above, it was in Brazil.

[daytripping]

Against.

 

If of everybody executed from now until then end of time, only one of them was innocent, then I dont see how you can justify it.

 

Whatever....casualty of war.

 

As for the guy who got mass raped twice, for his crime he deserved it, eye for an eye.

[Dynamo]

Look at this in Egypt. Ridiculous. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27186339

[Bluto10]

Giving the killer a chance to win his right to live might be good as well, gladiator style in a pit against lions, tigers and bears, that kind of stuff, would make cracking tv.

Running Man

 

[looksgoodinred]

As much as I think there are people on this earth deserving of the death penalty, I'd have to say I'm against. There's just too many instances of people found innocent of crimes they were incarcerated for, even many years later (David Milgaard as a very famous Canadian case comes to mind, but there are many more). If it were your child, for instance, who'd been jailed for a crime that you knew them to be innocent of, i can't believe you'd support the death penalty.

[spamspamspam]

I'm more for euthanasia than the death penalty

 

If someone commits a heinous crime, rape, murder, child molesting etc then try to rehabilitate. If they cant be because they are wired wrongly then put them and society out of their collective miseries.

 

Crime must be 100% proven and the criminal must be beyond help before killing them. Give them say 24 months to show major progress them make a decision.

[daytripping]

What about if there's no way the person is innocent, say caught on camera like the Lee Rigby killers, would it change the mind of those worried about killing an innocent?

 

Should we really have to pay to keep these people in jail the rest of their natural life's?

[fatjim]

Totally against it. Doesn't work as a deterrent. Errors can be made in convictions and were made in the past.

 

We did the right thing in stopping it.

 

Life in prison is a much better punishment.

 

If we were to bring the death penalty back we might as well go the whole way and bring in Sharia law.

[Bluto10]

Same with that bongo guy with the funny hand. Ali someone.

Surely he gets battered weekly up in his mosque by neo Nazis and the like.

[fatjim]

What about if there's no way the person is innocent, say caught on camera like the Lee Rigby killers, would it change the mind of those worried about killing an innocent?

 

Should we really have to pay to keep these people in jail the rest of their natural life's?

 

It's not cheap to kill someone you know.

In some cases it is more costly. Due to the court procedure.

[Poodler]

Ok here's one.

 

Someone who killed a burglar who was about to rape his child. Home owner pulls out a shotgun and blows the rapists head off. Admits killing him in self defence. Should he be killed for being a murderer?

[tightbreeks]

climbing for dollars.

 

i agree, a running man style game show would be awesome. whitman, price and haddat!

 

instead of asbos we should humiliate them by making them do embarrassing things in public.

[daytripping]

 

It's not cheap to kill someone you know.

In some cases it is more costly. Due to the court procedure.

 

I've heard that, a myth imo.

 

Cost doesn't come into it for me anyway, the big black dude who raped and killed a 11 Month old has given up his right to live in society imo, off with his head!!

 

What's the alternative, 3 meals a day, tv and playstation in his cell, all the drugs he'd ever want, fresh air every day. Fuck that, he doesn't deserve any of it.

 

If the alternative was hard labour breaking rocks or something then I'd maybe have a different opinion.

[Bluto10]

Truely profound analysis Bertz of an intriguing and thought provoking scenario posed there by poodles.

[daytripping]

Ok here's one.

 

Someone who killed a burglar who was about to rape his child. Home owner pulls out a shotgun and blows the rapists head off. Admits killing him in self defence. Should he be killed for being a murderer?

 

I'm talking the very worst heinous crimes, child killers/rapists, terrorists with multiple victims, black shoplifters, police killers, that kind of thing.

[Bluto10]

Gimme another judicial crime watch style set.piece....

[looksgoodinred]

 

I've heard that, a myth imo.

 

Cost doesn't come into it for me anyway, the big black dude who raped and killed a 11 Month old has given up his right to live in society imo, off with his head!!

 

What's the alternative, 3 meals a day, tv and playstation in his cell, all the drugs he'd ever want, fresh air every day. Fuck that, he doesn't deserve any of it.

 

If the alternative was hard labour breaking rocks or something then I'd maybe have a different opinion.

 

i think you might like this sheriff's outlook then.

 

Ever heard of Sheriff Joe Arpaio? He's the guy in charge of running the Maricopa County (Arizona) jail and is somewhat (in)famous for his approach to corrections work. It's hard time for prisoners sentenced to his Tent City Jail, where he's banned smoking, coffee and nudie magazines. The prison serves meals just twice a day, each costing 15 cents on average. There's no AC in the 120 degree desert heat, and prisoners work on chain gangs and wear the old-style black and white uniforms.

Sheriff Joe's lastest approach to managing prisoner behavior is to wire the TVs in the prison to exercise bikes that power the sets when pedaled. Seeing that half of the inmate population is overweight, many morbidly so, Arpaio decided that if inmates want to access to their favorite pastime - watching TV - they now have to pedal for that privilege.

"I started with the females because they seemed more receptive to the idea," Arpaio says. "The only exercise the females get right now is speed walking around the tents yard and few are doing that. This gives them a reason to get moving and a way to burn up to 500 calories an hour. They won't be charged a monthly gym fee but they will have to sign a contract."

There's no dogging it on these bikes, either. If the pedal cadence falls below the necessary output to power the TV, after an audible warning, the set turns off. "Peer pressure will have them pedaling, at least right up to the commercial breaks," says Sheriff Joe.

[RUL]

Ok here's one.

 

Someone who killed a burglar who was about to rape his child. Home owner pulls out a shotgun and blows the rapists head off. Admits killing him in self defence. Should he be killed for being a murderer?

 

Did this actually happen or do you need your head examined?

[RUL]

 

i think you might like this sheriff's outlook then.

 

Ever heard of Sheriff Joe Arpaio? He's the guy in charge of running the Maricopa County (Arizona) jail and is somewhat (in)famous for his approach to corrections work. It's hard time for prisoners sentenced to his Tent City Jail, where he's banned smoking, coffee and nudie magazines. The prison serves meals just twice a day, each costing 15 cents on average. There's no AC in the 120 degree desert heat, and prisoners work on chain gangs and wear the old-style black and white uniforms.

Sheriff Joe's lastest approach to managing prisoner behavior is to wire the TVs in the prison to exercise bikes that power the sets when pedaled. Seeing that half of the inmate population is overweight, many morbidly so, Arpaio decided that if inmates want to access to their favorite pastime - watching TV - they now have to pedal for that privilege.

"I started with the females because they seemed more receptive to the idea," Arpaio says. "The only exercise the females get right now is speed walking around the tents yard and few are doing that. This gives them a reason to get moving and a way to burn up to 500 calories an hour. They won't be charged a monthly gym fee but they will have to sign a contract."

There's no dogging it on these bikes, either. If the pedal cadence falls below the necessary output to power the TV, after an audible warning, the set turns off. "Peer pressure will have them pedaling, at least right up to the commercial breaks," says Sheriff Joe.

 

I'm lost, this has to be the biggest case of someone making up stuff, but Sheriff Joe has people cycling for an hour in 120 degree heat with no air condition whilst spending only 15 cents per day on food...yet at the same time he has managed to create a morbidly overweight prison population? How's he managed all of the above?

[daytripping]

 

i think you might like this sheriff's outlook then.

 

Ever heard of Sheriff Joe Arpaio? He's the guy in charge of running the Maricopa County (Arizona) jail and is somewhat (in)famous for his approach to corrections work. It's hard time for prisoners sentenced to his Tent City Jail, where he's banned smoking, coffee and nudie magazines. The prison serves meals just twice a day, each costing 15 cents on average. There's no AC in the 120 degree desert heat, and prisoners work on chain gangs and wear the old-style black and white uniforms.

Sheriff Joe's lastest approach to managing prisoner behavior is to wire the TVs in the prison to exercise bikes that power the sets when pedaled. Seeing that half of the inmate population is overweight, many morbidly so, Arpaio decided that if inmates want to access to their favorite pastime - watching TV - they now have to pedal for that privilege.

"I started with the females because they seemed more receptive to the idea," Arpaio says. "The only exercise the females get right now is speed walking around the tents yard and few are doing that. This gives them a reason to get moving and a way to burn up to 500 calories an hour. They won't be charged a monthly gym fee but they will have to sign a contract."

There's no dogging it on these bikes, either. If the pedal cadence falls below the necessary output to power the TV, after an audible warning, the set turns off. "Peer pressure will have them pedaling, at least right up to the commercial breaks," says Sheriff Joe.

 

That's EXACTLY what i'm getting at,

 

Have seen that place on tv, think he makes them wear pink boiler suits in the camp just to add to the crapness of the place.

[looksgoodinred]

 

Did this actually happen or do you need your head examined?

 

a quick google search shows it has happened, once anyway.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/19/father-kills-molester-texas-no-charges_n_1610465.html

[looksgoodinred]

 

I'm lost, this has to be the biggest case of someone making up stuff, but Sheriff Joe has people cycling for an hour in 120 degree heat with no air condition whilst spending only 15 cents per day on food...yet at the same time he has managed to create a morbidly overweight prison population? How's he managed all of the above?

 

no, he's real. and has been cited for his unconstitutional jail conditions. i don't disagree with some of his ideas, though i think he's taken some to unhealthy extremes.