1400 Kids Abused In Rotherham

[Poodler]

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

 

So...

 

Staff didn't act upon abusers of children for fears of being labelled 'racist'.

 

I don't understand how someone can sit around the dinner table at night and say 'thon Arab cunts are raping kids round our way but we can't charge them because we will be branded racist'.

 

Thon dirty Arab cunts are obviously a disgrace, as is well known in modern society anyway, but surely those who chose not to speak up can't be sleeping at night knowing that they are contributing to ruining the lives of the future generation by choosing not to stop it? Or were they living in fear of Asians who are taking over some parts of England?

 

Either way, hope Kari Arnason is having a shit time there.

 

 

*On reflection this sounds like I don't like Arabs and would be more appropriate in the 'casual racism' thread [emoji81]

[dave_min]

I agree, Arnason is a right prick.

 

I've nothing against Milson though - seemed a decent enough type, just shame he was less fit than Paul Bernard.

[newcastlered]

Was the abuse making the kids live in Rotherham?

[dervish]

Fucking rank. I reckon the cunts in the police and council should be charged as accessories. Foppish chicken shit fucks.

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So this is where Jim Morrison meant when he said it was Catholic heaven.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

So this is where Jim Morrison meant when he said it was Catholic heaven.

 

No, no spamx3 - pakistani muslim heaven in these instances.

 

But, like homosexual pederast heaven, talking about pakistani muslim heaven makes the secular proles rather uncomfortable and so these things are covered up.

 

The response to homosexual / muslim abuse shows everything that is puerile and cowardly about our secular society.

 

A couple of of news outlet shave mentioned "asian men" as the culprits - which is quite unfair as that could mean chinese men for example.

 

The main response seems to be one of fear of racism - ironically, given racism is a big driver in choice of victims here.

 

No-one has mentioned Islam in conjunction with this either. I have heard the word "muslim" mentioned twice in total so far, across dozens of reports.

 

Despite the fact that race and religion are central to the abusers choice of victims in these cases - white kuffars have no rights or worth in pakistani muslim eyes and so can be used and abused at will.

 

Compare with the media response to Catholic (really homosexual) abuse, where Catholicism specifically was blamed, as opposed to homosexuality in adult males (attracted to teen boys)

 

The Guardian in particular made me laugh, with its article saying that we shouldn't be focusing on blame here. So, no blame and no clear identification of culprits - main focus on not rocking the boat and just smoothing it all over - seems like the liberal media want to follow the lead of the Rotherham police and social services here.

[weapon]

Absolutely sickening and as usual employees of the council and police get off with an apology whilst kids have their lives destroyed!!

 

Read this on the BBC:

 

Muhbeen Hussain, founder of the Rotherham Muslim Group: "There is nothing in the Pakistani or Muslim culture that condones such actions...we are asking for prosecutions"

 

He doesn't seem too sickened by what has happened and is he saying that if this was condoned within the Pakistani/Muslim culture he'd be okay with it???!!!

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No, no spamx3 - pakistani muslim heaven in these instances.

 

But, like homosexual pederast heaven, talking about pakistani muslim heaven makes the secular proles rather uncomfortable and so these things are covered up.

 

The response to homosexual / muslim abuse shows everything that is puerile and cowardly about our secular society.

 

A couple of of news outlet shave mentioned "asian men" as the culprits - which is quite unfair as that could mean chinese men for example.

 

The main response seems to be one of fear of racism - ironically, given racism is a big driver in choice of victims here.

 

No-one has mentioned Islam in conjunction with this either. I have heard the word "muslim" mentioned twice in total so far, across dozens of reports.

 

Despite the fact that race and religion are central to the abusers choice of victims in these cases - white kuffars have no rights or worth in pakistani muslim eyes and so can be used and abused at will.

 

Compare with the media response to Catholic (really homosexual) abuse, where Catholicism specifically was blamed, as opposed to homosexuality in adult males (attracted to teen boys)

 

The Guardian in particular made me laugh, with its article saying that we shouldn't be focusing on blame here. So, no blame and no clear identification of culprits - main focus on not rocking the boat and just smoothing it all over - seems like the liberal media want to follow the lead of the Rotherham police and social services here.

 

Cant be Muslim heaven, hard pushed to find 20 odd virgins in Rotherham.

 

It has fuck all to do with religion, the only reason this was a Muslim pedo ring is because they hang out with each other more than they do with anyone else.

 

Whether its Muslims, Catholics, Protestants or anyone else, its a sick fuck mind. They may use their religion as a reason/excuse, I dont know if any of these did, but thats all it is, an excuse.

 

 

 

Muhbeen Hussain, founder of the Rotherham Muslim Group: "There is nothing in the Pakistani or Muslim culture that condones such actions...we are asking for prosecutions"

 

He doesn't seem too sickened by what has happened and is he saying that if this was condoned within the Pakistani/Muslim culture he'd be okay with it???!!!

 

If thats the boy thats just been on the news he sounded very upset and pretty passionate when he said it, he also looked very agitated.

 

I think he's standing up against the right wing media bandwagon the likes of C_S has jumped on, you know the one, Mussies think this is fine cuz one of yon prophets had a kid bride.

 

Just like C_S jumped at my Catholic heaven dig and came right out with a Muslim attack.

 

Media programming of society create the reactions. Sick fuck cunts perpetrate the crime. No more.

 

The failure of the authorities to pick this up and deal with it over such a long period of time, with so many reports, evidence, people coming forward makes them almost as guilty as the bastards that were doing this.

[looksgoodinred]

 

Cant be Muslim heaven, hard pushed to find 20 odd virgins in Rotherham.

 

It has fuck all to do with religion, the only reason this was a Muslim pedo ring is because they hang out with each other more than they do with anyone else.

 

Whether its Muslims, Catholics, Protestants or anyone else, its a sick fuck mind. They may use their religion as a reason/excuse, I dont know if any of these did, but thats all it is, an excuse.

 

 

 

If thats the boy thats just been on the news he sounded very upset and pretty passionate when he said it, he also looked very agitated.

 

I think he's standing up against the right wing media bandwagon the likes of C_S has jumped on, you know the one, Mussies think this is fine cuz one of yon prophets had a kid bride.

 

Just like C_S jumped at my Catholic heaven dig and came right out with a Muslim attack.

 

Media programming of society create the reactions. Sick fuck cunts perpetrate the crime. No more.

 

The failure of the authorities to pick this up and deal with it over such a long period of time, with so many reports, evidence, people coming forward makes them almost as guilty as the bastards that were doing this.

 

almost? equally i'd say.

the authorities had a responsibility to protect those children, and (seemingly) knowingly allowed the abuse to continue.

 

if a parent were abusing a child, and the other parent knew and did nothing to stop it, would you not consider them both equally culpable?

[spamspamspam]

 

almost? equally i'd say.

the authorities had a responsibility to protect those children, and (seemingly) knowingly allowed the abuse to continue.

 

if a parent were abusing a child, and the other parent knew and did nothing to stop it, would you not consider them both equally culpable?

 

I havent read the report

Cant comment on how guilty or not some or all of the authorities are.

All I can say is that they have to take a massive part of the responsibility in what happened.

At the end of the day though, they were not the ones pouring petrol over kids, taking them into rooms and allowing other men to have sex with them so no matter what, in my opinion, the people that actually carried out the crimes are the most guilty in this case.

 

Your example doesnt really fit this. If both parents are in on it they are both guilty. Parental responsibility is different to state responsibility, I'm sure plenty would have a right to complain if both had the same responsibilities and were just as responsible as each other in law. You'd be handing the upbringing of your kids to the state.

[looksgoodinred]

 

I havent read the report

Cant comment on how guilty or not some or all of the authorities are.

All I can say is that they have to take a massive part of the responsibility in what happened.

At the end of the day though, they were not the ones pouring petrol over kids, taking them into rooms and allowing other men to have sex with them so no matter what, in my opinion, the people that actually carried out the crimes are the most guilty in this case.

 

Your example doesnt really fit this. If both parents are in on it they are both guilty. Parental responsibility is different to state responsibility, I'm sure plenty would have a right to complain if both had the same responsibilities and were just as responsible as each other in law. You'd be handing the upbringing of your kids to the state.

 

i guess i consider the duty of care of parents and police to be equal in the protection of minors. and for police to have turned away from that responsibility, i think is reprehensible. reading the report is somewhat overwhelming. i'm left with the impression that in some instances, people tried to do the right thing, and for varying reasons, it just doesn't happen (reinforced by the case reports on pages 38-43). but in various sections of the report, there are far too may instances of the police and other people in positions of authority and responsibility for these minors, not taking appropriate action.

 

8.1 We deal with the response of South Yorkshire Police at some length throughout this

report. While there was close liaison between the Police, Risky Business and

children’s social care from the early days of the Risky Business project, there were

very many historic cases where the operational response of the Police fell far short of

what could be expected. The reasons for this are not entirely clear. The Police had

excellent procedures from 1998, but in practice these appear to have been widely

disregarded. Certainly there is evidence that police officers on the ground in the

1990s and well beyond displayed attitudes that conveyed a lack of understanding of

the problem of CSE and the nature of grooming. We have already seen that children

as young as 11 were deemed to be having consensual sexual intercourse when in

fact they were being raped and abused by adults.

8.2 We were contacted by someone who worked at the Rotherham interchange in the

early 2000s. He described how the Police refused to intervene when young girls who

were thought to be victims of CSE were being beaten up and abused by perpetrators.

According to him, the attitude of the Police at that time seemed to be that they were

all ‘undesirables’ and the young women were not worthy of police protection.

[daytripping]

 

Cant be Muslim heaven, hard pushed to find 20 odd virgins in Rotherham.

 

It has fuck all to do with religion, the only reason this was a Muslim pedo ring is because they hang out with each other more than they do with anyone else.

 

Whether its Muslims, Catholics, Protestants or anyone else, its a sick fuck mind. They may use their religion as a reason/excuse, I dont know if any of these did, but thats all it is, an excuse.

 

 

 

If thats the boy thats just been on the news he sounded very upset and pretty passionate when he said it, he also looked very agitated.

 

I think he's standing up against the right wing media bandwagon the likes of C_S has jumped on, you know the one, Mussies think this is fine cuz one of yon prophets had a kid bride.

 

Just like C_S jumped at my Catholic heaven dig and came right out with a Muslim attack.

 

Media programming of society create the reactions. Sick fuck cunts perpetrate the crime. No more.

 

The failure of the authorities to pick this up and deal with it over such a long period of time, with so many reports, evidence, people coming forward makes them almost as guilty as the bastards that were doing this.

 

It isn't anything to do with religion but fact remains because they were Asian it was ignored for longer, I've read many people didn't push the issue as they feared being seen as racist. PC gone mad.

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It isn't anything to do with religion but fact remains because they were Asian it was ignored for longer, I've read many people didn't push the issue as they feared being seen as racist. PC gone mad.

 

Isnt that the fault of our own society though dayts?

 

A society that has pushed fear of 'insult' above all else. You cant use certain type of language without being treated like a phiria but you can fiddle with kids for over decade and its not looked at because of that fear?

 

The immigrants didnt cause that, middle class, left wing whites with too much time on their hands to worry about who is offended by our language caused the situation and faux outrage we see today when it comes to using certain types of language when speaking about minority groups.

 

Kind of like gay marriage, in a different way of course. A minority of people in the country are gay yet allowing them to be married was forced upon the church just because. Yeh, the law says no church can be forced but there have been threats of lawsuits already against churches that refuse. They already had the right to civil joining, just as legal and just as binding as traditional marriage but for people that are the same sex or not religious at all.

 

 

i guess i consider the duty of care of parents and police to be equal in the protection of minors. and for police to have turned away from that responsibility, i think is reprehensible. reading the report is somewhat overwhelming. i'm left with the impression that in some instances, people tried to do the right thing, and for varying reasons, it just doesn't happen (reinforced by the case reports on pages 38-43). but in various sections of the report, there are far too may instances of the police and other people in positions of authority and responsibility for these minors, not taking appropriate action.

 

I see duty of care completely differently.

It is the parents responsibility to care for a child

Its the states responsibility to insure that care is of a morally acceptable standard and is given within the laws of the land.

 

Blur those lines and you can end up back in a position the UK was in the 70's where children are removed from homes with no evidence of abuse or neglect bar some snidey neighbours hearsay.

 

There are failures all over this case, that doesnt mean a knee jerk reaction that takes responsibility away from parents and allows the state to interfere is warranted, in my opinion anyway.

[looksgoodinred]

Does "child protection" not mean they'd already been removed from their parent(s) care?

In just over a third of cases, children affected by sexual exploitation were previously known to

services because of child protection and neglect

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Does "child protection" not mean they'd already been removed from their parent(s) care?

In just over a third of cases, children affected by sexual exploitation were previously known to

services because of child protection and neglect

 

 

Not necessarily.

 

Child Protection is a broad term used when a child is highlighted to the local services. It means they are known and being monitored. That monitoring can be happening in their home, in a foster home or in a childrens home.

 

As I've said I have really looked into this too much so I cant comment with any real knowledge on this specific case. From what i remember in the news there were a ot of these girls in some sort of care either before the abuse, during or after. A lot were vulnerable children, known for already having social and behavior problems and that is also a large part of the reason they were targeted. Young girls sitting outside shopping centres drinking and hanging around. Approached, made to feel special, given drink, drugs, treated nicely to begin with... That, from what I've read though, is the target for most of these types of gangs. People that slip through cracks in the system are the easiest to exploit due to their upbringing and background along with the fact there is sometimes no one to raise the alarm when they disappear.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

I think he's standing up against the right wing media bandwagon the likes of C_S has jumped on, you know the one, Mussies think this is fine cuz one of yon prophets had a kid bride.

I haven't jumped on any bandwagon, nor did I mention the origins of islam.

 

Rather I correctly identified a driver of the abuse as being both the racism and religious-inspired bigotry of the muslims who committed the crimes.

 

These white girls are worthless to them, they are just kuffars. Mere playthings to be abused for a while, before they marry their cousin from pakistan.

 

Look how non-muslims are treated in most muslim majority nations. Its the same mentality here. You are worth less than shit, if you are no a muslim.

Just like C_S jumped at my Catholic heaven dig and came right out with a Muslim attack.

It wasnt a "muslim attack" - it was the truth.

 

You are hilarious - so wholly indoctrinated by the media, you actually spout their lines for them.

 

Any criticism of muslim = automatic racism / right wing bandwagon.

 

Its exactly attitudes like that - muslims are above criticism - which helped perpetuate this abuse.

 

It was the exact same in Glasgow, when that Kriss Donald was kidnapped and murdered.

 

Because the Police would never follow up muslim committed crimes properly, they believes they were untouchable and a kidnap and murder was the end result.

 

Total lack of self-awareness from you as well - mention Catholic abuse and in your mind its a "dig", mention muslim abuse and in your mind its an "attack".

 

Consistency is key my good man!

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If I had used Muslims in the same way as I did in that comment it would be a dig as well.

 

I am consistent

 

I treat everyone the same

 

You are all nutter cunts following non existent deities as far as I am concerned. As far as I'm concerned its your lot that are the heathens.

 

Doesnt mean I think its a reason or excuse for kiddy fiddling though no matter what bollocks book you read and follow.

 

I used the word attack because you have form. Plenty of examples of you using Muhammad's child bride as a reason why Muslim gangs attack kids penned on here by you.

[Ke1t]

I suspect the whole 'I was scared to say/do anything in case I was branded a racist" thing is a bit of deflection from the people who knew about it but did fuck all to stop it.

 

They're complicit at the very least, and their excuses do nothing to convince me otherwise.

 

I doubt there's a single person I know in the real world or online who wouldn't move to stop child abuse, regardless of whether someone later said, "Aaaaw, now... you're a racist."

[BrianFaePerth]

 

I doubt there's a single person I know in the real world or online who wouldn't move to stop child abuse, regardless of whether someone later said, "Aaaaw, now... you're a racist."

 

Ian Watkins?

[The Boofon]

 

It isn't anything to do with religion but fact remains because they were Asian it was ignored for longer, I've read many people didn't push the issue as they feared being seen as racist. PC gone mad.

No Asians in the Rotherham social services or Police force then I take it?

[daytripping]

No Asians in the Rotherham social services or Police force then I take it?

 

 

Plenty but they look after their own, the kids being abused were seen as white scum, children's home drop outs not worth bothering about.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

 

. Plenty of examples of you using Muhammad's child bride as a reason why Muslim gangs attack kids penned on here by you.

 

 

That's absolute rubbish.

 

I bet you £100 you cannot come up with a single such example - because none exist.

 

As I said above, these cases are nothing to do with the roots of islam, and everything to do with the bigoted and racist attitudes which exist within the muslim community.

 

Anyway, my main point on the thread was - if someone has committed a crime, they should face the consequences.

 

But when certain ethnic and sexual minorities commit such crimes, they get a free pass from the authorities and media.

 

What is most depressing is that we can see - across many different types of organisation - that when abuse occurs, the victims seem to be the last priority.

 

I didnt like the muslim quotes on the TV last night - moaning about "far right groups" and making the usual veiled threats about community cohesion.

 

One muslim man was asked "how do muslims generally view young white women?" and he squirmed something awful, and managed to stammer something about "there being some stereotypes".

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That's absolute rubbish.

 

I bet you £100 you cannot come up with a single such example - because none exist.

 

As I said above, these cases are nothing to do with the roots of islam, and everything to do with the bigoted and racist attitudes which exist within the muslim community.

 

 

 

So did I

 

We arent going to agree on something are we?

 

Fuck that

 

I blame their religion!