The Nativity Story

[fatjim]

What is the point of the Nativity story? Jesus doesn't really do anything significant enough when he is born except sleep in a manger. If you can count that as significant. The bible doesn't cover any of Jesus' life between the ages of 12 and 30 so what is so interesting about the first 12 that wasn't interesting for the next 18? He didn't have to even be born at all because his dad had already shown he was capable of making people out of mud. He didn't have to magic a baby into the belly of Mary when she hadn't even slept with her husband yet. He could have just made him as a man at age 30 and the story could have started from there. Then we wouldn't have to celebrate that a family were homeless and couldn't find anywhere to give birth to a child they hadn't even planned for.

[Ke1t]

Religious stories don't generally stand up to scientific scrutiny. As soon as you begin introducing facts, science, or basic common sense into Biblical canon the wheels come up and the whole sorry mess ends up in a fucking ditch.

 

Taking the Mary story as an example, Galilee wasn't a Roman province, and even if it had been... which it wasn't, remember... the Romans didn't order people to leave their current location and go to the location where they used to live for the purposes of head count. That's just fucking ludicrous right off the bat... mass displacement of the population for tax registration purposes? That makes total fucking sense....

 

Oh, and for Herod to order this Census he'd have had to rise from the grave to order it, given he'd been dead for a number of years before the entire pantomime is supposdd to have happened.

 

 

That being; an omnipotent, omniscient omnipresent superhero in the clouds created a world full of sin, and was so dismayed by the sin he created that he knocked up some married chick without sticking his dick in her so that he could be born, assume all the sin he had created, then forsake himself and allow himself to be crucified, though being indestructible AND omniscient KNEW he couldn't actually be killed (so where's the fucking sacrifice), before going back up to Heaven and behaving exactly as he had before while allowing everyone to carry on sinning as before, and then complaining about it constantly through various religions who all fucking hate each other and try to out-ignorance each other by having the BEST fabricated stories that are supported by no science, no history, and no common sense.

 

...when he could have just eradicated sin with a wave of his magical sparklewand... boom, end of story. Probably a 5 minute job, if that.

 

Mazel tof.

[Poodler]

Religious stories don't generally stand up to scientific scrutiny. As soon as you begin introducing facts, science, or basic common sense into Biblical canon the wheels come up and the whole sorry mess ends up in a fucking ditch.

 

Taking the Mary story as an example, Galilee wasn't a Roman province, and even if it had been... which it wasn't, remember... the Romans didn't order people to leave their current location and go to the location where they used to live for the purposes of head count. That's just fucking ludicrous right off the bat... mass displacement of the population for tax registration purposes? That makes total fucking sense....

 

Oh, and for Herod to order this Census he'd have had to rise from the grave to order it, given he'd been dead for a number of years before the entire pantomime is supposdd to have happened.

 

 

That being; an omnipotent, omniscient omnipresent superhero in the clouds created a world full of sin, and was so dismayed by the sin he created that he knocked up some married chick without sticking his dick in her so that he could be born, assume all the sin he had created, then forsake himself and allow himself to be crucified, though being indestructible AND omniscient KNEW he couldn't actually be killed (so where's the fucking sacrifice), before going back up to Heaven and behaving exactly as he had before while allowing everyone to carry on sinning as before, and then complaining about it constantly through various religions who all fucking hate each other and try to out-ignorance each other by having the BEST fabricated stories that are supported by no science, no history, and no common sense.

 

...when he could have just eradicated sin with a wave of his magical sparklewand... boom, end of story. Probably a 5 minute job, if that.

 

Mazel tof.

Good post

[King Street Loon]

One of the finest moment's of my acting career came when I was cast in the Kinellar primary Nativity story.

 

I played a Wise Man. Complete with Tea Towel on my head and Dressing gown for my robe to complete the look.

[fatjim]

One of the finest moment's of my acting career came when I was cast in the Kinellar primary Nativity story.

I played a Wise Man. Complete with Tea Towel on my head and Dressing gown for my robe to complete the look.

That must have been difficult to play a role completely unlike you in reality.

[rumpus]

One of the finest moment's of my acting career came when I was cast in the Kinellar primary Nativity story.

 

I played a Wise Man. Complete with Tea Towel on my head and Dressing gown for my robe to complete the look.

 

 

I was jealous of the Wise men in our Nativity play in Primary.

 

My claim to fame was playing the triangle in the percussion department during the musical bit following aforementioned play.

[Ke1t]

 

 

I was jealous of the Wise men in our Nativity play in Primary.

 

My claim to fame was playing the triangle in the percussion department during the musical bit following aforementioned play.

 

 

I played the lead role in the Primary School play, 'The Sun and the Wind'.

 

I was 'Dude With A Cape'.

 

Unfortunately the teacher had unwittingly made all the lads in the class 'The Wind', and when they blew they tended to spit quite a bit.

 

A great attribute if you're an 18 year old lassie, not so great if you're a 8 year old boy.

[King Street Loon]

That must have been difficult to play a role completely unlike you in reality.

It was.

Took all my acting skills to adequately portray the wise man.

[E-P-K]

Had the boys play today, and it has changed somewhat from when I was a loon, its more of a dress up as various animals and sing songs non religious themed, and only a small part mentioned Jesus, wise men and angels.

 

 

 

Good to see the bairns dressed up and looking daft and all being mortified dressed as a cow, chicken, sheep and pigs.

[fine-n-dandy]

I shagged one of the sheep

[Ke1t]

I shagged one of the sheep

 

Well the jokes on you, because they're really just wee kids dressed up as shee........

 

...oh.

[fatjim]

I went to my daughter's nativity today and they really try to involve every kid with each of them getting a line. I had been teaching her to project her line properly but the poor thing had been unwell with the cold all weekend. She still did better than most of the kids though. It's funny how your kid seems like the star turn and all the other kids are just extras. Not that she had a special part but when the other parents start talking about their kid you think I didn't take that in at all because I was too busy looking at mine.

As soon as Jesus pops out though the whole thing is over thankfully.

[caledonia]

 

 

 

My claim to fame was playing the triangle in the percussion department during the musical bit following aforementioned play.

Blutos favourite musical instrument at school was the dinner bell

[rumpus]

Blutos favourite musical instrument at school was the dinner bell

 

 

He'd never have been a Wise Man in a Nativity play either. The fat fuck woulld've eaten all the Merr before he even got anywhere the Baby Jesus.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

What is the point of the Nativity story? Jesus doesn't really do anything significant enough when he is born except sleep in a manger. If you can count that as significant.

 

Greetings, Fisherman Jim,

 

My apologies for the tardy response, I have been somewhat busy.

 

In answer to your Q above, I can advise that it is in fact the actual birth of Jesus itself which is the significant matter.

 

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

 

John 1:14

[Clydeside_Sheep]

I played a Wise Man. Complete with Tea Towel on my head and Dressing gown for my robe to complete the look.

 

I was an inn-keeper in our Nativity Play, in Primary 3. It seems Inn-keepers dressed remarkably similar to Wise Men.

(These simple costumes would probably be considered racist stereotyping these days).

 

I had no lines, I just had to shake my head contempuously when Mary and Joseph arrived at my door.

 

I was excellent. However, F Murray Abraham beat me to the Best Actor Oscar that year.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Religious stories don't generally stand up to scientific scrutiny.

You are remarkably selective when science is important to you.....when it comes to faith-aspects of religion its seemingly of supreme importance, yet on the homosex thread its "unimportant" or "not necessary"

 

I think we have to be consistent in how we regard science.

 

Taking the Mary story as an example, Galilee wasn't a Roman province, and even if it had been... which it wasn't, remember...

It was too a Roman Province. I think it was ruled directly by the Romans are first and then split off to be run by indigenous puppet rulers (Herod etc) on the Romans behalf. (Kind of like how the Vichy French Government ran occupied France for the Germans in WW2).

 

 

the Romans didn't order people to leave their current location and go to the location where they used to live for the purposes of head count.

Going to the city of your origin to be counted in a census was the Jewish way of doing things, not the Roman way. (I dont know what the Romans did tbh).

 

It makes sense that this is what occured, given they were Jewish people and the census was being run locally by a Jewish ruler (a Roman puppet, as above). It was Caeser Augustus who called for the census and Roman Governer Quirinius who would have overseen it locally.

 

Oh, and for Herod to order this Census he'd have had to rise from the grave to order it, given he'd been dead for a number of years before the entire pantomime is supposdd to have happened.

Its widely accepted that the exact date of these events is a handful of years out from the original estimates.

 

Say it was 5 years out, across 2014 years, that represents an error of just 0.2%. Its pretty accurate.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Good post

Havers min!

[fatjim]

 

Greetings, Fisherman Jim,

 

My apologies for the tardy response, I have been somewhat busy.

 

In answer to your Q above, I can advise that it is in fact the actual birth of Jesus itself which is the significant matter.

 

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

 

John 1:14

 

Yea we know he didn't pump Mary. Even though the original text doesn't say she was a virgin. It actually says young girl and that was translated as virgin.

Thingymygod could've just made him a man though as that was in his power.

 

Not that any of it is actually true. It's just a fantasy story isn't it?

[Poodler]

Havers min!

Quite unrelated but this topic came up at work the other night, fits your view on spooky wifeys? Ken yon weemin who claim to speak to ghosts. What's the religious stance on that? Baloney?

[phoenix]

A lot of the more 'elevated' of the era pretended to be of 'virgin birth' , the mystical aspect of which tended to impress the locals and keep them in their place. A bit of kidology encouraged by the spin doctors of the day. Easy enough to understand at the time , this gullibility , 2,000 years before the arrival of quantum mechanics which explains how the universe got kick-started by a fluctuation in the quantum vacuum.

[Ke1t]

You are remarkably selective when science is important to you.....when it comes to faith-aspects of religion its seemingly of supreme importance, yet on the homosex thread its "unimportant" or "not necessary"

 

I think we have to be consistent in how we regard science.

 

 

It was too a Roman Province. I think it was ruled directly by the Romans are first and then split off to be run by indigenous puppet rulers (Herod etc) on the Romans behalf. (Kind of like how the Vichy French Government ran occupied France for the Germans in WW2).

 

 

 

Going to the city of your origin to be counted in a census was the Jewish way of doing things, not the Roman way. (I dont know what the Romans did tbh).

 

It makes sense that this is what occured, given they were Jewish people and the census was being run locally by a Jewish ruler (a Roman puppet, as above). It was Caeser Augustus who called for the census and Roman Governer Quirinius who would have overseen it locally.

 

 

Its widely accepted that the exact date of these events is a handful of years out from the original estimates.

 

Say it was 5 years out, across 2014 years, that represents an error of just 0.2%. Its pretty accurate.

 

 

On the contrary, science is important when establishing a fact or not... it's 'factual' that homosexual sex doesn't maintain a population, but you either didn't understand my argument or you choose to ignore it. That argument being that I don't care if gays bang gays because, at this point, a small homosexual population isn't going to create any kind of population collapse.

 

As for an error of .2%, that's not resurrecting Herod.

[tommo1903]

However, F Murray Abraham beat me to the Best Actor Oscar that year.

I went to "Its Only A Play" in New York thus year. He was in it and very good.

 

That could have been you, in theory.