Right Or Wrong.

[daytripping]

Single gay guys mum gives birth to his son.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2985590/I-don-t-care-people-think-baby-s-loved-m-happy-matters-extraordinary-story-divided-Britain-single-gay-man-mother-gave-birth-surrogate-baby.html

[Bluto10]

Doesn't personally offend me bro.

But I do think its a funny thing to do to say the least; that kids gonna come in for all manner of abuse the first few decades of its life.

[daytripping]

Wrong for me on so many levels, his mother carrying the child just isn't right before you even get to the ethics of this young guy using technology to almost order a baby like he was buying from a catalogue, so many restrictions are put on couples wishing to adopt yet there doesn't seem to be any issue with this bloke having a baby.

 

Why they then thought it a good idea to whore themselves out to tv chat shows and newspapers is beyond me, the kids life at school and in the local area will be tough, just all wrong imo.

[daytripping]

Doesn't personally offend me bro.

But I do think its a funny thing to do to say the least; that kids gonna come in for all manner of abuse the first few decades of its life.

 

Our posts crossed, that was one of my main points, guess they thought they could make some money out of it.

[spamspamspam]

wrong

 

not because of the situation but because there's far too many people on this planet already. People that cant have kids for any reason shouldnt be given medical assistance to have them.

[daytripping]

wrong

 

not because of the situation but because there's far too many people on this planet already. People that cant have kids for any reason shouldnt be given medical assistance to have them.

 

Don't agree, a childless couple who are given IVF treatment to conceive when all other avenues have been explored deserve to have a child as much as any other couple, my sister and her partner spent a fortune having numerous treatments before they were successful, I have no problems with the ethics of medicine helping a settled couple give birth.

[spamspamspam]

 

Don't agree, a childless couple who are given IVF treatment to conceive when all other avenues have been explored deserve to have a child as much as any other couple, my sister and her partner spent a fortune having numerous treatments before they were successful, I have no problems with the ethics of medicine helping a settled couple give birth.

 

Having people that cant have kids is natures way of controlling a population.

 

Whether you 'feel' for childless couples or not, adoption, fostering, dealing with it are the best ways and not science intervening.

[Poodler]

 

Don't agree, a childless couple who are given IVF treatment to conceive when all other avenues have been explored deserve to have a child as much as any other couple, my sister and her partner spent a fortune having numerous treatments before they were successful, I have no problems with the ethics of medicine helping a settled couple give birth.

Spot on min, well done

 

 

I see it's a daily mail link though so I won't waste my time reading it, it'll be designed to make me angry and upset about someone else who I'll never meet or care about

[daytripping]

That's like saying people with cancer shouldn't be treated, just natures way of controlling population, I presume you'll turn down any treatments should an illness affect you?

[Bluto10]

Don't agree, a childless couple who are given IVF treatment to conceive when all other avenues have been explored deserve to have a child as much as any other couple, my sister and her partner spent a fortune having numerous treatments before they were successful, I have no problems with the ethics of medicine helping a settled couple give birth.

 

Agreed Mr Tripping.

If anyone wants to control the population then they should introduce an EPL style fit and proper persons test to wannabe prospective parents.

Would weed out the rubbish genes and child abusing minks in a decade or two.

[spamspamspam]

That's like saying people with cancer shouldn't be treated, just natures way of controlling population, I presume you'll turn down any treatments should an illness affect you?

 

No its not

Cancer is a disease

Having a child is a choice.

 

Medical science, in my opinion, has went too far. Prolonging people's lives, creating others for no more than personal want is pointless. If someone is going to die, let them. If someone cant have kids, so be it.

 

Medicine should be for healing those that can contribute further, not keeping people in a state most dont want to be in or creating life for the sake of it.

[daytripping]

 

No its not

Cancer is a disease

Having a child is a choice.

 

Medical science, in my opinion, has went too far. Prolonging people's lives, creating others for no more than personal want is pointless. If someone is going to die, let them. If someone cant have kids, so be it.

 

Medicine should be for healing those that can contribute further, not keeping people in a state most dont want to be in or creating life for the sake of it.

 

That's splitting hairs to suit your argument, disease is surely one of natures ways to control population, the way of the wild is the weakest die out to keep a strong gene pool alive, only humans treat illness as far as I know, we either accept medicine can help or we don't.

 

I agree with your final paragraph, prolonging someones life so they can sit and dribble in an old folks home is no life.

[fatjim]

Reading the daily mail is wrong on so many levels.

[spamspamspam]

 

That's splitting hairs to suit your argument, disease is surely one of natures ways to control population, the way of the wild is the weakest die out to keep a strong gene pool alive, only humans treat illness as far as I know, we either accept medicine can help or we don't.

 

I agree with your final paragraph, prolonging someones life so they can sit and dribble in an old folks home is no life.

 

 

its not

Medical science should be there to fix things not create things.

[StandFree1982]

 

No its not

Cancer is a disease

Having a child is a choice.

 

Medical science, in my opinion, has went too far. Prolonging people's lives, creating others for no more than personal want is pointless. If someone is going to die, let them. If someone cant have kids, so be it.

 

Medicine should be for healing those that can contribute further, not keeping people in a state most dont want to be in or creating life for the sake of it.

Not being able to have kids isn't a choice. Why should they not get "treated" like a cancer patient?

[daytripping]

 

 

its not

Medical science should be there to fix things not create things.

 

I agree medical science should be there to fix things, that obviously includes whatever medical problem is stopping a couple having kids if they choose to have some.

[daytripping]

Right or wrong...Emma Watson says it's ok for a woman to pay the bill on a date and it should be treated the same as a man paying for it.

 

Mmmmh, I don't believe any lady has ever bought me dinner, have went dutch plenty of times and even paid the bill on occasion but in todays society of equal rights I don't see anything in principle wrong with the woman paying. I look forward to it happening one day, lets hope we're at Prime cuts or another pricey establishment.

 

Thoughts hat gurus?

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11458388/Emma-Watsons-awkward-dinner-date-when-she-tries-to-pay.html

[BrianFaePerth]

Right or wrong...Emma Watson says it's ok for a woman to pay the bill on a date and it should be treated the same as a man paying for it.

 

Mmmmh, I don't believe any lady has ever bought me dinner, have went dutch plenty of times and even paid the bill on occasion but in todays society of equal rights I don't see anything in principle wrong with the woman paying. I look forward to it happening one day, lets hope we're at Prime cuts or another pricey establishment.

 

Thoughts hat gurus?

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11458388/Emma-Watsons-awkward-dinner-date-when-she-tries-to-pay.html

 

Would you put out if the lady pays?

[daytripping]

 

Would you put out if the lady pays?

 

I would feel obliged to put out if Emma bought me a meal, it would only be fair, obviously only if she gave the impression that's what she would like.

 

She also says Women should open doors for a man, I feel this is something that may enhance my life, sometimes I just can't be bothered opening doors, she's ahead of her time.

[rumpus]

Chivalry is shite.

 

Once was on the transfer bus between terminals and offered my seat to a lady who was standing.

 

She got all indignant and said ' Do I look as if I'm incapable of standing on my feet for 10 minutes?'

[daytripping]

I'm not getting the amount of posts on this topic that I'd have liked, sensible reasoned debate on the days interesting right or wrong issues and it appears the lunch thread is getting more hits, I'm disappointed folks, truly I am.

[daytripping]

It was just a random link, it was carried in all the papers. The second link is the Telegraph for you high brow types.

 

I like the Daily Mail btw, don't understand the hate, best paper out there after the Sun.

[spamspamspam]

Not being able to have kids isn't a choice. Why should they not get "treated" like a cancer patient?

 

Its not a divine right either.

 

People can get IVF on the NHS. Why should my tax go to pay someones want?

[daytripping]

 

Its not a divine right either.

 

People can get IVF on the NHS. Why should my tax go to pay someones want?

 

Only up to a certain age is the treatment free, I think it should be any age within reason, the NHS is free at the point of entry and all services should be available to all, it's like a non smoker questioning why they should pay for a smokers cancer treatment, a thin person asking why they should pay for an obese person to get high blood pressure treatment, even taxpayers asking why unemployed people are getting treated. Dangerous ground to be walking on, all treatments should be available when they pass the criteria on ethics etc.

[spamspamspam]

 

Only up to a certain age is the treatment free, I think it should be any age within reason, the NHS is free at the point of entry and all services should be available to all, it's like a non smoker questioning why they should pay for a smokers cancer treatment, a thin person asking why they should pay for an obese person to get high blood pressure treatment, even taxpayers asking why unemployed people are getting treated. Dangerous ground to be walking on, all treatments should be available when they pass the criteria on ethics etc.

 

No its not

Smokers pay more tax than none smokers, at least £6 a day if they are on 20

Its costing this country something like £400m a year in IVF and another huge whack on artificial insemination.

 

Having kids isnt a right, its something, especially those that then go for free insemination and IVF, that is planned and wanted. If they cant then they should adopt. If they arent willing to adopt then they obviously dont want a kid enough.

 

Cancer isnt a choice, not adopting is.

 

There are options for the childless that want so stop bringing in comparisons that are not valid. Cant get UK figures but in England alone there are almost 80000 kids looking for foster parents and 5000 available for adoption.

 

50000 people had IVF last year

80000 kids looking for a caring home la t year.

 

Hmmmmmm..... Should we really be forking out £400m to fertilise these people and more than 3 times that to look after these kids. Nae exactly rocket science is it?

[Pudgie]

Right or wrong...Emma Watson says it's ok for a woman to pay the bill on a date and it should be treated the same as a man paying for it.

 

Mmmmh, I don't believe any lady has ever bought me dinner, have went dutch plenty of times and even paid the bill on occasion but in todays society of equal rights I don't see anything in principle wrong with the woman paying. I look forward to it happening one day, lets hope we're at Prime cuts or another pricey establishment.

 

Thoughts hat gurus?

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11458388/Emma-Watsons-awkward-dinner-date-when-she-tries-to-pay.html

 

I always feel awkward as fuck when the bird pays. I'm maybe just antiquated in thinking the guy should pay the bill. Finances are never something that have bothered me in a relationship. Whatever money we have is ours. It doesn't matter who buys the messages in Asda or the drinks at the bar, it all comes from the same pot of dough at the end of the day. That's why I've never really seen the point of shared bank accounts (other than ease of use maybe).

[Don Fonte]

Right or wrong...Emma Watson says it's ok for a woman to pay the bill on a date and it should be treated the same as a man paying for it.

 

Mmmmh, I don't believe any lady has ever bought me dinner, have went dutch plenty of times and even paid the bill on occasion but in todays society of equal rights I don't see anything in principle wrong with the woman paying. I look forward to it happening one day, lets hope we're at Prime cuts or another pricey establishment.

 

Thoughts hat gurus?

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11458388/Emma-Watsons-awkward-dinner-date-when-she-tries-to-pay.html

I find in general more women want equality which is a great thing in my eyes, but then still expect us gents to open doors, pay for dinner etc. Not really equality is it.

[Don Fonte]

Single gay guys mum gives birth to his son.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2985590/I-don-t-care-people-think-baby-s-loved-m-happy-matters-extraordinary-story-divided-Britain-single-gay-man-mother-gave-birth-surrogate-baby.html

I haven't read the story but going by your brief description I'd say it's fucking weird. Doesn't offend me in any way but if it was someone I knew I'd be asking them what the fuck they were doing.

[StandFree1982]

 

Its not a divine right either.

 

People can get IVF on the NHS. Why should my tax go to pay someones want?

Neither is surviving cancer...

 

I think they should definitely be led down the Adopting path first though, rather than moving towards IVF.

[tommo1903]

I reckon Spams account has been hacked by Clydeside_Sheep