T.v Replays To Help Ref's

[Singapore Steve]

What's your views on T.V replays for refs ?

 

Apparently it took Thompson 90seconds to speak to the linesman in the tims v arabs game and still got it wrong.

 

What if each team was allowed 3 challenges to a refs decision. It would take the ref 30 secs to check the reply and come to the correct decision.

If the team challenging the decision is wrong and the refs initial ruling is correct that team will then be left with two challenges.

 

Last game of the season.......we challenge the refs decision......check the replay........Dons finish in 2nd place.

[BrianFaePerth]

What's your views on T.V replays for refs ?

 

Apparently it took Thompson 90seconds to speak to the linesman in the tims v arabs game and still got it wrong.

 

What if each team was allowed 3 challenges to a refs decision. It would take the ref 30 secs to check the reply and come to the correct decision.

If the team challenging the decision is wrong and the refs initial ruling is correct that team will then be left with two challenges.

 

Last game of the season.......we challenge the refs decision......check the replay........Dons finish in 2nd place.

 

How would that help Celtic or The Rangers

[Pudgie]

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

 

 

It has to be instantaneous! Maybe if there was a 5th official watching the match from a box with a headset on to speak to the ref I'd be for it, but waiting 30 seconds to see what way a decision would be going would kill the celebrations at games.

 

Imagine getting a 90th minute equaliser and pushing for the win, then we've got to wait for dickheid doddie in the opposition box to "challenge" a decision and take all the momentum out of it.

 

I can only see challenges being used tactically as I don't think there's 6 really important decisions that happen every game that need changed.

[StandFree1982]

Obviously being 3rd last season was a huge disappointment, however it did mean we got to play some great games in Europe. If you look at the shite Motherwell played, i'm actually glad of the way things worked out for us in Europe with getting to play some very good sides and beating Groningen away after their arsehole manager thought they were already "80% through".

 

 

TV Replays should only be used for the following scenarios:

 

• When a ball looks to have crossed the line and the goal wasn't given
• A penalty that wasn't a stonewaller

 

There should be an official watching the game on the tv at all times who can make very fast decisions and relay it to the ref within 30 seconds or less.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Back a step.

 

Like Pudgie,I agree you've a guy sitting in the Sky booth watching the fecking thing with instant replay. Take the non controversial decisions first, like Rooney's 'goal' against Hamilton. Ref should be allowed to turn to the Sky bloke, get the nod and give the right decision.

 

ONCE THEY'VE GOT THAT BIT SORTED then start fucking about with 30 second challenges and all the rest of the pish.

 

We have virtually instantaneous assistance available at a lot of our big matches. Use it FFS.

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

Last game of the season.......we challenge the refs decision......check the replay........Dons finish in 2nd place.

 

Aye but would they not have checked to see if Anderson hand balled it over the line in the 2-2 draw at Fir Park earlier last season too?

[Localfitbafan]

The problem with that would be the cost. Only the weekly live televised game in SPL has the necesssary amount of cameras watching from every angle to have half a dozen or more views of the same incident to try and prove whether it was the right or wrong call. Each SPL game would have to have the same amount of technology/cameras and angles covered to ensure each team has the same chance of overturning a decision otherwise the league could be won or lost depending on whether or not you were the televised game when a decision went for or against you

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Tough. Thems the breaks for being a 'big' club.

 

There is a case I'll accept though, that the big clubs have the best players who will draw fouls more than the average player purely because of their ability (think James Forrest versus Darren Dodds). There is a possibility that video interference would exacerbate that gap.

 

But that's still not a reason to completely ignore that Rooney's was a goal, and to be fair, Andersons wasn't. The camera never lies as Bucks Fizz never tired of telling us, although disappointingly, unlike classic hit Making your Mind Up Cheryl never got her kit off at that point to prove her point which I felt was disingenuous on her part.

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

Tough. Thems the breaks for being a 'big' club.

 

There is a case I'll accept though, that the big clubs have the best players who will draw fouls more than the average player purely because of their ability (think James Forrest versus Darren Dodds). There is a possibility that video interference would exacerbate that gap.

 

But that's still not a reason to completely ignore that Rooney's was a goal, and to be fair, Andersons wasn't. The camera never lies as Bucks Fizz never tired of telling us, although disappointingly, unlike classic hit Making your Mind Up Cheryl never got her kit off at that point to prove her point which I felt was disingenuous on her part.

 

Which is the good player?

[Sheeptastic]

Challenges sound like a useless idea. Just bring in video evidence. I doubt that it'll disrupt the flow of the game any more than Craig Thomson discussing with his assistant or any other examples of shambolic refereeing.

[StandFree1982]

The time spent after a disallowed goal, where the players are going mental and the ref is frantically trying to hide a smirk and think of a reason as to why our goal was disallowed, could have been best spent waiting on a 4th / 5th official to just see it again and go "Yay or Nay".

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Correct. For the life of me I cannot understand why they don't just start doing it unofficially now for certain key decisions.

[Bamber]

Problem is I've watched Connelly's penalty claim about 10 times and cant decide still if he went down easy, was taken out by the thigh of stokes

 

On the if it was my team test

 

Id give it for us, and say it wasn't against so it isn't clear compliance officer saw no issues using TV

 

Shiftkey I thought was a stonewall kick to the head compliance officer cites him

 

On the team test

 

Id be as angry as hell with our player for doing it and would for an opposition player

 

on TV review by a panel they find no case to answer

 

TV evidence used in the cold light of day with no limit of time and still I cant come to a decision that everyone else would agree with

 

 

Oh and Patons mistaken identity and then Butcher cant be punished for it???

 

That's like me robbing a bank, my brother gets arrested and goes to court - he has a defence of not being there but identifies me to the court as the robber and the court says ah well mr bamber you keep the money no crime committed cos we took the wrong guy to court

[Chewie37]

I don't think challenges would work and would make the game too stop/start like American 'Football' which bores the pants off me. Top league football it might work for agreed scenarios, but would have to be a quick decision, it does seem to work in Rugby matches at top level, but then referees don't seem to be quite as inept or have to take as much crap off players.

[Singapore Steve]

I love fitba the way it is and don't like to see to many changes but something needs to change so as to eliminate the amount of horror decisions by refs.

In Rugby they have the sin bin, if you even approach the referee you are at risk of getting the sin bin......would this work in fitba ?

 

Using T.V replays could be fast if implemented correctly like hawk eye in tennis or even the replays in rugby where you have an independent referee watching the TV and can give you an answer within 30 secs.

[The Boofon]

Challenges are bollocks.

 

Give the fourth official a telly and if there is a dodgy decision (goal or penalty) then allow play to continue while he checks it. Only takes a few seconds and usually after a bad decision the ball goes out for a goal kick or a corner anyway so play is normally not interrupted anyway.

 

You may get the odd decision when the ball breaks and the opposition run up the park and score but I'd say by the time they've got that far up the park the 4th official will have signalled to halt play.

 

 

Example:

 

Swop the penalty miss for a ball bouncing on or just over the line. Play continues. By the time the 4th official checks they wouldn't have been able to run up the park and score. They'd have been half way there. EDIT: Maybe nae quite half way there. Still need to carry on though. Stopping play is daft unless you're 100% certain.

 

Goal scored? 4th official tells the ref to halt play. Ref blows his whistle.

 

Goal not scored? 4th official says fuck all. Ref does fuck all. No need to stop play.

 

The 4th official is smart enough to know he needs to check something without the ref asking him to do so but they are microphoned up anyway so there's nothing stopping him from saying "Go and see if that was in will you?"

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38X7ho4E07w

[Singapore Steve]

Challenges are bollocks.

 

Give the fourth official a telly and if there is a dodgy decision (goal or penalty) then allow play to continue while he checks it. Only takes a few seconds and usually after a bad decision the ball goes out for a goal kick or a corner anyway so play is normally not interrupted anyway.

 

You may get the odd decision when the ball breaks and the opposition run up the park and score but I'd say by the time they've got that far up the park the 4th official will have signalled to halt play.

 

 

Example:

 

Swop the penalty miss for a ball bouncing on or just over the line. Play continues. By the time the 4th official checks they wouldn't have been able to run up the park and score. They'd have been half way there. EDIT: Maybe nae quite half way there. Still need to carry on though. Stopping play is daft unless you're 100% certain.

 

Goal scored? 4th official tells the ref to halt play. Ref blows his whistle.

 

Goal not scored? 4th official says fuck all. Ref does fuck all. No need to stop play.

 

The 4th official is smart enough to know he needs to check something without the ref asking him to do so but they are microphoned up anyway so there's nothing stopping him from saying "Go and see if that was in will you?"

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38X7ho4E07w

Valid points.......so T.V replays in real time would be a good idea.

Just the age old problem of cash in the Scottish game I suppose......oh and the fact that corruption in the SPFL may be stopped in its tracks are all that's holding us back.

[The Boofon]

Valid points.......so T.V replays in real time would be a good idea.

Just the age old problem of cash in the Scottish game I suppose......oh and the fact that corruption in the SPFL may be stopped in its tracks are all that's holding us back.

 

 

I would say yes they are. No need to stop a game. Just have a look and call back play if required.

 

Bit like the yellow flag in American football.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Personally I would have thought it would benefit the top sides (since top = televised) as better players should attract more fouls. Interesting that they seem completely indifferent to the concept (including one who needs no introduction to the term "victim hood")

[Teevan]

If you can't do it for every game in the land, including u12 games on a public park, it's a non starter.

I'd go the other way and get rid of GLT in England.

Football isn't just about the 12 teams who play in the top league, it's about the thousands of men and women who play every weekend across the country. Every game is played with the same equipment and the same rules.
A game at Pittodrie could just as easily be played at Hazelhead and vice versa. The required equipment is exactly the same. The only difference is the quality of players and quality (and number of) officials.

The argument about there being too much money at stake is a non-starter too. If you happen to be good enough at football that you can make a living from it then you should be eternally grateful, but no one gets into football for the money. Just because you have got yourself, as a player, into a privileged position shouldn't entitle you to privileges a Saturday amateur player can't get on the park too.

[E-P-K]

If you can't do it for every game in the land, including u12 games on a public park, it's a non starter.

I'd go the other way and get rid of GLT in England.

Football isn't just about the 12 teams who play in the top league, it's about the thousands of men and women who play every weekend across the country. Every game is played with the same equipment and the same rules.

A game at Pittodrie could just as easily be played at Hazelhead and vice versa. The required equipment is exactly the same. The only difference is the quality of players and quality (and number of) officials.

The argument about there being too much money at stake is a non-starter too. If you happen to be good enough at football that you can make a living from it then you should be eternally grateful, but no one gets into football for the money. Just because you have got yourself, as a player, into a privileged position shouldn't entitle you to privileges a Saturday amateur player can't get on the park too.

 

It works in tennis, cricket and rugby, where technology helps the major games, but not the lower levels, can't see why it can't be used in football too.

[Teevan]

It works in tennis, cricket and rugby, where technology helps the major games, but not the lower levels, can't see why it can't be used in football too.

And I don't like it there either!

[E-P-K]

And I don't like it there either!

 

But they have undoubtably improved the quality of these sports, more key decisions are getting the correct outcome.

 

Lower league football games already don't have the same as the top leagues, 4th officials, goal line officials etc etc, getting key decisions correct should be encouraged.

[Guest milne_afc]

If you can't do it for every game in the land, including u12 games on a public park, it's a non starter.

 

 

 

LOL

[The Boofon]

If you can't do it for every game in the land, including u12 games on a public park, it's a non starter.

 

I'd go the other way and get rid of GLT in England.

 

Football isn't just about the 12 teams who play in the top league, it's about the thousands of men and women who play every weekend across the country. Every game is played with the same equipment and the same rules.

A game at Pittodrie could just as easily be played at Hazelhead and vice versa. The required equipment is exactly the same. The only difference is the quality of players and quality (and number of) officials.

 

The argument about there being too much money at stake is a non-starter too. If you happen to be good enough at football that you can make a living from it then you should be eternally grateful, but no one gets into football for the money. Just because you have got yourself, as a player, into a privileged position shouldn't entitle you to privileges a Saturday amateur player can't get on the park too.

Linesmen.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

What's your views on T.V replays for refs ?

 

 

Long overdue imo.

 

Far too many incompetent refs and cheating swine to say no to it. Dirty bastards like Lee "elbows and studs" McCulloch would get hammered by it.

 

Most high level sports have it now, why is football in the dark ages wrt technology?

 

It would speed the game up. A quick 10s for the ref to speak to someone sitting at a monitor is all it would take to resolve a disputed decision or claim - instead of the usual 5 - 10 minutes of arguing, whining, pushing and shoving etc which currently accompanies any moderately controversial decision.

[spamspamspam]

The problem with that would be the cost. Only the weekly live televised game in SPL has the necesssary amount of cameras watching from every angle to have half a dozen or more views of the same incident to try and prove whether it was the right or wrong call. Each SPL game would have to have the same amount of technology/cameras and angles covered to ensure each team has the same chance of overturning a decision otherwise the league could be won or lost depending on whether or not you were the televised game when a decision went for or against you

 

Its all there to use for most clubs already, including us. They have the tech for all the stats that the manager then uses to try and improve things. It would just need some adaptation.

[Ke1t]

It's a joke that crucial decisions are left to the dubious 'discretion' of the referee, particularly in a country where referees openly admit to cheating in favour of two teams in particular.

 

Hard to believe the fans of non-Celtic/Sevco teams would actually be against a levelling of the playing field.

[Ke1t]

It's one thing introducing the technology to "help" the ref, it's something else entirely the ref choosing to apply the "help" fairly (if he can get away without doing so) and thus allowing the playing field to be levelled.

 

Down south the ref's watch vibrates when the ball goes over the line, if we had similar up here I wouldn't put it past pricks like Collum and MacLean to ignore it and carry on doing as they please regardless.

 

If there's an official in the stand watching the replay and feeding into the ref's ear, what's to say he won't be a biased cunt too?

 

Can either keep with the status quo and have biased refs, or spend money on it and have biased refs.

 

 

Again, that's just leaving calls up to the ref's 'discretion'.

 

If there is an actual Instant Replay facility, where the ref can immediately see if Aberdeen's last minute winner at Ibrox was 10 yards onside rather than offside like he'd called it, then he has no option but to allow that goal,.

 

Now I understand that there's a 'gray area' that ref's will be allowed to exploit, but in cases where there's a clear call then even the most biased referee will have no recourse. And if critical calls take a couple of minutes per game then so what? Is your average fitba fan's time so valuable that a couple of minutes over the course of a game is going to ruin his weekend?

 

Video technology should be a prerequisite for any professional sport.

[Dandyesque]

Do they have TV replays in Basketball and Baseball?