The Youth Policy, Does It Have A Future

[ericblack4boss]

The list of quality coming through our ranks has seen scores of quality players play first team football,

 

But it appears that there is a major issue with whole set up now,

We have hours of good work being carried out by numerous coaches, working with players for years only to have them snubbed,

 

Do you believe that mcinnes has an interest in our youth players,?

Or is it a waste of everyone time , money, and effort?

[King Street Loon]

The list of quality coming through our ranks has seen scores of quality players play first team football,

 

But it appears that there is a major issue with whole set up now,

We have hours of good work being carried out by numerous coaches, working with players for years only to have them snubbed,

 

Do you believe that mcinnes has an interest in our youth players,?

Or is it a waste of everyone time , money, and effort?

It's never a waste of anyone's time.

There are players throughout history that just aren't good enough.

That being said. I don't think McInnes is a believer in youth.

Many a time there's been an opportunity to give youth a decent run out and he's chosen to put on Goodwillie or Pawlett instead.

[CHOW87]

I'd never advocate getting rid of the youth season but it's bizarre that none of the young players who won the league last season are getting a chance. Young players have said in the past that they've signed for Aberdeen cos there's a better chance of getting a chance of first-team football. If we stop playing young players, we'll lose out on decent players who'd rather play at a club who give them a chance.

 

Selling the likes of McGuire, Fyvie, and Fraser has justified paying for youth coaches and scouts to nurture young talent. But if we don't play any young players, we can't sell them for much-needed revenue.

 

If McInnes isn't giving any of them a chance because none of them are genuinely good enough, that's a separate concern and one that needs to be addressed. We've always had good young players coming through and with our best players in their late twenties, we need a steady stream of youngsters as they get older.

[Ke1t]

I used to support a strong youth policy, but the fact of the matter is that now bigger clubs can come in and spirit away any kid they want for a derisory 'Development Fee' making a mockery of smaller clubs' attempt to build a decent team from the ground up.

 

Clubs like Aberden, which has long been weak and incompetant when it comes to developing or cashing in on it's assets, probably doesn't need a youth system.

 

We had one player in our starting 11 against Hearts who was home grown, 2 in total when Pawlett came on? (I'm sure someone will gleefully correct that number if I'm wrong) It's likely safe to say they've maxed out whatever potential they might have had.

 

If we have a youth system it's not considered a great source of potential, so I hope we're not pissing a ton of cash into it.

[1983]

Kenny Maclean was home grown to a point

 

Plus our captain of course, when he's fit.

[Redstar]

The youth and scouting system were abandoned in favour of the GWT's contacts book during the auld cunts time at the club....Dod Yule will most probably have a revamp of the youth set up on his list of...things to sort out after years of mismanagement at the hands of that prick Milne.

[Guest the shepherd]

You can tend to find that Aberdeen's youth policy (as well as countless other provincial teams) took a hammering when a certain Jean-Marc Bosman went to the European Court and won. Ever since that ruling that changed football forever came into force the so-called bigger clubs have become even bigger whilst smaller clubs have become smaller, some even extinct. Bigger clubs since have placed less emphasis on their own youth policy as they cherry pick the best young talents from their rival clubs whilst smaller clubs who have been reliant upon their policy ultimately their attitude has been 'what's the point?'. There are very few exceptions to the latter statement such as in the recent case of Hearts when it has been a priority to enable and sustain their existence to utilise their youth system.

[King Street Loon]

What do our site sponsors think about the current youth set up?

After all you do a great job fundraising for the youth system.

Do you feel the money raised is being used properly and being of benefit?

[mavv1903]

Mciness as proved has no interest in bedding youth players into the 1st team, which is totally wrong as its the future of the club.

[Reed or deed]

I used to support a strong youth policy, but the fact of the matter is that now bigger clubs can come in and spirit away any kid they want for a derisory 'Development Fee' making a mockery of smaller clubs' attempt to build a decent team from the ground up.

 

Clubs like Aberden, which has long been weak and incompetant when it comes to developing or cashing in on it's assets, probably doesn't need a youth system.

 

We had one player in our starting 11 against Hearts who was home grown, 2 in total when Pawlett came on? (I'm sure someone will gleefully correct that number if I'm wrong) It's likely safe to say they've maxed out whatever potential they might have had.

 

If we have a youth system it's not considered a great source of potential, so I hope we're not pissing a ton of cash into it.

Are you taking the liberty of classing Considine as a player?

[BWG]

What youth policy?

[Rubinho Escocia]

In principle I'm a believer in having a strong youth policy and bringing young players through, but at the same time that is only worthwhile if it is part of the strategy of the club. Given the majority of recent managerial appointments we've had have shown no interest in playing youngsters I can see the point in disbanding the youth policy as what we have at the moment is a waste of time both for the players and the club - we produce players we've no intention of playing, and stunt their development by not playing them.

 

However, I do hope that in the future we'd look to source more of our players internally.

[Guest milne_afc]

You can tend to find that Aberdeen's youth policy (as well as countless other provincial teams) took a hammering when a certain Jean-Marc Bosman went to the European Court and won. Ever since that ruling that changed football forever came into force the so-called bigger clubs have become even bigger whilst smaller clubs have become smaller, some even extinct. Bigger clubs since have placed less emphasis on their own youth policy as they cherry pick the best young talents from their rival clubs whilst smaller clubs who have been reliant upon their policy ultimately their attitude has been 'what's the point?'. There are very few exceptions to the latter statement such as in the recent case of Hearts when it has been a priority to enable and sustain their existence to utilise their youth system.

Hearts, Hibs, Utd and even Kilmarnock have all produced players who have progressed to the national team and earned their clubs £millions in the last decade.

 

Aberdeen are shit at it. Like they are at winning cups.

[Guest the shepherd]

Hearts, Hibs, Utd and even Kilmarnock have all produced players who have progressed to the national team and earned their clubs £millions in the last decade.

 

Aberdeen are shit at it. Like they are at winning cups.

Very fair point. We have had a number of talented players come through our youth policy over the past 25 years or so but have sold the players by far less than their actual value whilst other clubs such as United have sold their players for far more than their actual value.

[ericblack4boss]

Where did the malaise start?

Can we pin it on the oaf,

Skovdahl to be fair to him saw mcnaughton, McGuire, rowson, and others to varying standards , but he was willing to play them,

During that fat fucking oafs regime, I'm.pretty sure Paton and Pawlett were the only players developed from the youth team to make their debuts under that cunts regime,

 

I don't doubt that Yule, sees the current situation is not tenable, but he gave mcinnes a long term deal, and so I hope that means he backs mcinnes to revamp the whole set up,

 

Their needs to be answers,

Does mcinnes back a youth system?

Is he willing to play the young players even if that means set backs.

If not where does this leave the set up if he has no confidence in it then why not scrap it and spend the money elsewhere.

[Guest milne_afc]

Very fair point. We have had a number of talented players come through our youth policy over the past 25 years or so but have sold the players by far less than their actual value whilst other clubs such as United have sold their players for far more than their actual value.

Can't agree.

 

Players are only worth the price any other club is willing to pay - the shepherd doesn't decide, that's for sure.

 

Btw, Bosman ruling came in 20 years ago, not 25.

[Tommy]

Other clubs that have made money on their younger players actually played them in the

first team over a period of time, not 10 minute cameo appearances.

Hewitt, Cooper, Black, Simpson et al had a manager who believed in them, sadly, McInnes does

not have much faith in the young lads.

[newcastlered]

Hearts, Hibs, Utd and even Kilmarnock have all produced players who have progressed to the national team and earned their clubs £millions in the last decade.

 

Aberdeen are shit at it. Like they are at winning cups.

 

All doing worse than us. Hibs in the Championship, Hearts just out of it (the millions really helped there) and United & Killie possible to go down this year. Our youth products made us a few bob.

 

Who are these players incidentally? Can't think of any recent examples as Armstrong was from Inverness, GMS Liverpool, Andy Robinson was from Queens Park.

[ericblack4boss]

Falkirk, Hamilton, Kilmarnock, Hibernian, they all have made serious money by playing and selling their youngsters,

 

And to the likes of Ross county make a mockery of our training facilities, is fucking shameful.

[Guest milne_afc]

 

All doing worse than us. Hibs in the Championship, Hearts just out of it (the millions really helped there) and United & Killie possible to go down this year. Our youth products made us a few bob.

 

Who are these players incidentally? Can't think of any recent examples as Armstrong was from Inverness, GMS Liverpool, Andy Robinson was from Queens Park.

Ryan Gauld, Jonny Russell and the Beast.

 

Our current 'success' is a myth, chief.

[ericblack4boss]

Other clubs that have made money on their younger players actually played them in the

first team over a period of time, not 10 minute cameo appearances.

Hewitt, Cooper, Black, Simpson et al had a manager who believed in them, sadly, McInnes does

not have much faith in the young lads.

Tommy, even the likes of porteous, Angus, Brian Mitchell, Stevie Cowan, Tommy McIntyre, who Ferguson played on more occasions than their ability often merited, were given full games and none went on to be better than average players throughout their careers.

[King Street Loon]

 

All doing worse than us. Hibs in the Championship, Hearts just out of it (the millions really helped there) and United & Killie possible to go down this year. Our youth products made us a few bob.

 

Who are these players incidentally? Can't think of any recent examples as Armstrong was from Inverness, GMS Liverpool, Andy Robinson was from Queens Park.

Hearts, as a result of the mismanagement of Mad Vlad had to blood youngsters. They had no option.

I'd say that the youngsters got to grips with the top flight just too late in the season.

They did well in the Championship and rightly got promoted. Good recruitment helped as well, but Hearts have produced some great players in Paterson and Nicholson to name but two.

[zander]

Have we really had any youth players that have been worth any sort of decent fee in the past 10 years? Granted we lost a couple of players via development fees but can we compare with Hibs or United who have all produced significantly better players in recent years than us.

[Red Ram]

Next 3 or 4 years and beyond might see a change and hopefully for better as results of SFA Performance School will start to feed through. Sure Ollie will correct me if I'm wrong but think this Summer will see first batch of players who have went through the SFA set up with extra hours training etc at Hazlehead Academy throughout secondary school turn 16 and bulk of them are playing for Dons development team although no guarantees any will get offer to turn pro.

[Oregon Red]

Tommy, even the likes of porteous, Angus, Brian Mitchell, Stevie Cowan, Tommy McIntyre, who Ferguson played on more occasions than their ability often merited, were given full games and none went on to be better than average players throughout their careers.

Ferguson knew how to run a team, those mentioned were not great but they kept better players fresh and maybe a wee bit bothered in case one of them showed promise.

McInnes seems to believe the oposite

[Sonoftherock]

Next 3 or 4 years and beyond might see a change and hopefully for better as results of SFA Performance School will start to feed through. Sure Ollie will correct me if I'm wrong but think this Summer will see first batch of players who have went through the SFA set up with extra hours training etc at Hazlehead Academy throughout secondary school turn 16 and bulk of them are playing for Dons development team although no guarantees any will get offer to turn pro.

 

This.

 

By the sounds of things, a lot of work has been done behind the scenes to improve things at youth level. I'm always heartened by the reports of the great things our current youth teams are doing, from Ollie, etc... I reckon we're not far away from seeing a decent crop of players coming through.

 

Having said that - the whole 'development fee' carry on does put me off investing money in youth. You get absolutely no return if all your best young players are plucked from the club for these derisory fees!

[ericblack4boss]

I'm sorry I'm growing tired of this " we will see the fruits n 5years time"

We've been hearing this for the last 15 years

Clubs can spend a decade, building and developing a system, but then they get cunts like the oaf who can destroy that in the space of a few years.

I'm laying the blame at the the door of that fucking shithouse.

[newcastlered]

Hearts, as a result of the mismanagement of Mad Vlad had to blood youngsters. They had no option.

I'd say that the youngsters got to grips with the top flight just too late in the season.

They did well in the Championship and rightly got promoted. Good recruitment helped as well, but Hearts have produced some great players in Paterson and Nicholson to name but two.

 

But Patterson and Nicholson aren't Scotland caps which was the bit I flagged up. I agree there was mismanagement but the point seemed to be the youth systems of United, Hibs, Hearts and Kilmarnock filtered through to the first team but bar Hearts they're all absolute shite.

[ericblack4boss]

Ferguson knew how to run a team, those mentioned were not great but they kept better players fresh and maybe a wee bit bothered in case one of them showed promise.

McInnes seems to believe the oposite

Yep they were squad players used as such but allowed to get full games not 10 minutes.

[newcastlered]

Ryan Gauld, Jonny Russell and the Beast.

 

Our current 'success' is a myth, chief.

 

Ryan Gauld isn't capped and Russell and Beast have six caps between them and are bit part players. United haven't won a cup in a long while and consistently finish below us. Hibs are fucking awful and haven't had a player capped in a long, long time. Kilmarnock are shite and play their young players (so they can't be that good) and yeah Hearts are doing fine but not as good as us in the league and we'll see about the cup.

 

Would you rather be in one of those four teams position over us? No. We are more successful than any of them, won a trophy more recently, played in Europe more recently and finished above all of them more recently. That's what I'd call success.