Is Jack The Real Problem

[Stoneybloke]

Sometimes managers lose the dressing room but I don't think this is the case with McInnes. However, it seems that the on the field influence from the captain is virtually non-existent. There have been rumours of bust-ups between Jack and other players, and even a flare-up with Jack and Flood during a game. When Jack was out injured the performances were markedly better. There's something not right with the chemistry, but McInnes persists as usual. Does the problem emanate from Jack?

[King Street Loon]

Jack is a player with zero confidence at the moment.

He's a decent player, but certainly not captain material. It was obviously a condition or caveat of him to stay on.

He's got no drive, no influence and is drowning in the responsibility of leading the team.

 

But no. He's not the real problem.

[dave_min]

No.

[Zander1903]

yep

[fine-n-dandy]

He's also just nae as good as everyone first thought. The captaincy & "pressure" that goes with it certainly hasn't helped in this matter.

 

When he was first given the captaincy most were saying (myself included) "it could be the making of him" which implies he really had a lot of improving to do in the first place.

 

He has undoubtedly gotten worse under the captaincy but has become one of these players that gets blindly protected/excused by many fans much like the likes of Mackie/Clangers etc. did.

 

He's not a complete write off yet (like the likes of Mackie/Clangers etc. were) but he most certainly shouldn't be captain.

 

I am not singling him out for last nights result in any way. The WHOLE team was fkn brutal with extra special mentions going to Reynolds & Brown.

[spamspamspam]

Nope

[Bamber]

Despite us having at least 3 or 4 Captains in the side -I've yet to see one of them step up which to me says nope

[craegDAMH]

no.

 

http://www.afc-chat.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=39438&p=1279778

[fine-n-dandy]

He is one of the main ingredients in the cake that hasn't risen

[The Oxford Don]

He is part of the problem.

 

The real problem, as has now been diagnosed to death and was glaringly obvious last night, is the weakness through the spine of the team: shite keeper, shite central defence, powderpuff midfield and a lack of creativity up front. Jack is part of that, but you can't go lumping the whole responsibility on him. That's just daft.

[fine-n-dandy]

He is part of the problem.

 

The real problem, as has now been diagnosed to death and was glaringly obvious last night, is the weakness through the spine of the team: shite keeper, shite central defence, powderpuff midfield and a lack of creativity up front. Jack is part of that, but you can't go lumping the whole responsibility on him. That's just daft.

Exactly.

 

But would not be bothered in the slightest if he was one of the players that had to make way for these weaknesses to be fixed.

 

He & many more can easily be improved on for the same cash they are on.

[minijc]

People continuing to wank over Shinnie and demand that he is made captain can't be easy, hardly any cunt is behind Jack backing him up and it also backs up Calderwood when he said he didn't like trying youngers out as fans got on their backs, Shinnie was poor lastnight, Mcginn another that gets an easy ride from the majority of our fans, complete joke.

[fine-n-dandy]

People continuing to wank over Shinnie and demand that he is made captain can't be easy, hardly any cunt is behind Jack backing him up and it also backs up Calderwood when he said he didn't like trying youngers out as fans got on their backs, Shinnie was poor lastnight, Mcginn another that gets an easy ride from the majority of our fans, complete joke.

Shinnie has earned his backing more in a shorter time than Jack has had. Arguably McGinn has contributed enough also for some sack line but nothing excuses last nights performances from ANY.

[BWG]

Shinnie is a cup winning captain and has demonstrated leadership qualities. Jack has not at all this season shown why he should be wearing that armband and the impact it has had on his game is clear for all to see. He is measurably worse since being given the armband. The logical thing to do next season is recognize that Jack isn't ready to be a leader and let him concentrate on his football and hand the armband to Shinnie.

[shooftahmooftah]

Jill is the problem, the builder.

[Robbie Winters]

Maybe

[Red Ram]

Part of problem if team mates don't respect him but all pure speculation unless anyone on here is actually a first team player - met him couple times and certainly in public when speaking to kids and answering questions came across as nice enough bloke and represented club well but quite quiet and didn't jump out as an obvious leader but not his fault that club was caught out badly re Ward recall by Liverpool and not his fault that others have had drops in form eg Reynolds - the latter possibly a good example of potential downside of issuing lengthy contracts and guys playing in a comfort zone with lack of competition for places and guaranteed decent pay for few years

[Chewie37]

He's also just nae as good as everyone first thought. The captaincy & "pressure" that goes with it certainly hasn't helped in this matter.

 

When he was first given the captaincy most were saying (myself included) "it could be the making of him" which implies he really had a lot of improving to do in the first place.

 

He has undoubtedly gotten worse under the captaincy but has become one of these players that gets blindly protected/excused by many fans much like the likes of Mackie/Clangers etc. did.

 

He's not a complete write off yet (like the likes of Mackie/Clangers etc. were) but he most certainly shouldn't be captain.

 

I am not singling him out for last nights result in any way. The WHOLE team was fkn brutal with extra special mentions going to Reynolds & Brown.

Come on FnD, Mackie was not a footballer and Clangers.......well. You can't be comparing Jack with them?

He is one of the main ingredients in the cake that hasn't risen

That's better......fairy or Angel?

[Thor Steinar]

If you want a player whose only ability is to show for the ball on the halfway line and pass it out wide at snail pace after hesitating for 3 seconds - Jack is your man. Anyone could be taught to only do that and they'd also be a massively limited fairy.

[Jmurph]

No

[caledonia]

not good enough in my opinion but neither is the goalkeeper or whoever he plays in central defence

I actually think we are missing Taylor for his hight although he tends to make a lot of errors as well+ his wife is hot

[fine-n-dandy]

not good enough in my opinion but neither is the goalkeeper or whoever he plays in central defence

I actually think we are missing Taylor for his hight although he tends to make a lot of errors as well+ his wife is hot

Taylor ONLY wins attacking headers. He seems to struggle with defensive headers.

[caledonia]

Taylor ONLY wins attacking headers. He seems to struggle with defensive headers.

That does not make sense surly if he can beat defenders to attacking headers he can also beat attackers to defensive headers

drugs cheap today

[fine-n-dandy]

That does not make sense surly if he can beat defenders to attacking headers he can also beat attackers to defensive headers

drugs cheap today

Defensive headers he waits for the ball to reach him (because he's nae a great defender). Attacking headers he goes to meet them.

Do you follow the game?

[Lencarl]

Have Aberdeen lost more games with Jack in the team ?. (Someone who gathers stats would know). The manager sees something in him and that's what counts.

[caledonia]

Defensive headers he waits for the ball to reach him (because he's nae a great defender). Attacking headers he goes to meet them.

Do you follow the game?

Please explain why he cant attack both

[the sheep]

Jack's not to blame but the captaincy should be removed from Jack for his own sake. Jack is good at what he does but needs players around him that make up for his short falls. He needs to be more positive when on the ball though but that may be partly to do with the movement of players in front of him though.

 

The lack of players in during January is to blame for us falling short and the drop in form. It's been clear to most all season that we lack physical strength. I predicted that wee would struggle against Celtic, Hearts and St Johnstone have also taken full advantage.

 

Said at the beginning of the season that the team needs height and strength to compete.

[Chewie37]

Please explain why he cant attack both

Because his positioning is poor

[fine-n-dandy]

Defensive headers he waits for the ball to reach him (because he's nae a great defender). Attacking headers he goes to meet them.

Do you follow the game?

 

 

Please explain why he cant attack both

I have

[fine-n-dandy]

Jack's not to blame but the captaincy should be removed from Jack for his own sake. Jack is good at what he does but needs players around him that make up for his short falls. He needs to be more positive when on the ball though but that may be partly to do with the movement of players in front of him though.

 

The lack of players in during January is to blame for us falling short and the drop in form. It's been clear to most all season that we lack physical strength. I predicted that wee would struggle against Celtic, Hearts and St Johnstone have also taken full advantage.

 

Said at the beginning of the season that the team needs height and strength to compete.

Jack needs direction, not to be giving directions. That's the long & short of it in my opinion.

He may eventually become the player that can direct others in games & dictate games but he is miles from that player at this moment.