Should We Have Squad Limits And Proper Ffp?

[V for Vendetta]

1. In the EPL they all seem quite happy to sign up to the following Squad restrictions. Shouldn't the SPFL clubs be happy to make a similar commitment?

 

After the closing of the summer transfer window each Premier League club had a deadline of 4pm on 1 September to submit a squad list containing no more than 17 players who do not fulfil the "Home Grown Player" (HGP) criteria.

The remainder of the squad, up to a total of 25 players, must be Home Grown. An HGP means a player who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

Changes to the squad list of 25 may be made during the period of a transfer window. Under-21 players are eligible over and above the limit of 25 players per squad. For the 2016/17 campaign Under-21 players will have been born on or after 1 January 1995.

 

2. They also have functioning FFP rules which we simply don't seem to have in any form in Scotland, quite astonishing really.

 

These are fairly complicated but in essence they set restrictions on how much a club can lose year on year over a 3 year period. Clubs which exceed the losses over a period are punished.

 

See below for full explanation:

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php

 

Things like this wouldn't radically change things but its the sort of thing I think we need to start introducing along with a long list of other measures that when combined could make a bit of a difference to the competitive standard of the league.

 

Can anyone explain why we need a less fair system than used in England despite Scotland already have even bigger disparity between our top club(s) and the ones below....

 

[Pudgie]

 

 

Can anyone explain why we need a less fair system than used in England despite Scotland already have even bigger disparity between our top club(s) and the ones below....

 

 

A proper Glasgow rivalry.

 

 

 

It's the only thing that sells don't you know!

[boboisared]

Anything which would even the playing field should be considered.

 

Why is why it isn't.

[BWG]

Both of these rules would adversely effect the arse cheeks of Glasgow and that is why they don't exist up here.

[Andy_123]

Implementing these rules would spell instant doom for The Rangers, that's why we don't have them.

[V for Vendetta]

So the responses echo my feelings as well.

 

But the SPFL chronies are happy to copy the EPL approach whenever they can except when it doesn't suit the "big 2" - its sad that this is accepted by the other clubs really.

 

I don't think the EPL is the fairest, bestest run league in the world but if we can't even bring in the limited sort of controls they have - with all their super rich vested interests competing, what chance have we got?

[zander]

FFP won't change the outcome of the league title.

[Pudgie]

FFP won't change the outcome of the league title.

Why all the pesimism Zander? Maybe we wouldnt see a drastic short term change but as a long term option it would surely have an effect no?

 

Im not saying Celtic are suddenly going to miss out on top 6, but if it gets things a tad closer then it can only be good! Make other changes to go with it and suddenly we have something that resembles vague competition!

[Dandyesque]

Huns would easily fulfill their home grown players rule just now- Celtic won't be far away either

 

Probably more Scots in the OF than for years

[Redforever86]

Don't think any would have an effect on Scottish football.

 

1. Celtic would buy th best home grown players and hoard the ones they bring through.

 

2. Celtic has a massive turnover and would probably be with in the rules. Until someone else has a 60,000 seater stadium and dislodges them from the CL spot nothing would change. At least under current rules a "sugar daddy" can come in and shake things up a bit.

[fine-n-dandy]

Will these rules not just make our young players (for example) more determined to sign for any English sides just so they can get the time in?

[Chewie37]

The only possible way any new rules to balance the playing field would be implemented is if it boosted the scabby weegie teams bank balance overall, which in theory it could. If we ended up with a more competitive league we could improve our standard become a more attractive league and then do better in the European trophies which has a knock on effect for the game here. This however won't ever happen because of the short term mindset in place geared towards two teams only.

Possibly a final "fuck off you can't EVER leave your own country's league system" might push changes into place but I doubt it

[zander]

Why all the pesimism Zander? Maybe we wouldnt see a drastic short term change but as a long term option it would surely have an effect no?

Im not saying Celtic are suddenly going to miss out on top 6, but if it gets things a tad closer then it can only be good! Make other changes to go with it and suddenly we have something that resembles vague competition!

As it stands Celtic are making a profit and will likely continue to do so for the next few years anyway.

 

FFP won't make a difference perhaps Sevco would be fucked but that's about it.

 

Salary caps etc will make a difference but FFP no.

[boboisared]

Don't think any would have an effect on Scottish football.

 

1. Celtic would buy th best home grown players and hoard the ones they bring through.

 

2. Celtic has a massive turnover and would probably be with in the rules. Until someone else has a 60,000 seater stadium and dislodges them from the CL spot nothing would change. At least under current rules a "sugar daddy" can come in and shake things up a bit.

Supply and demand. Tjhey'd have to pay a much fairer price than they currently do.

[V for Vendetta]

As it stands Celtic are making a profit and will likely continue to do so for the next few years anyway.

 

FFP won't make a difference perhaps Sevco would be fucked but that's about it.

 

Salary caps etc will make a difference but FFP no.

 

Stuff like this can't be ignored just on the basis it'll make no immediate difference. Thats exactly whats wrong with the thinking in our game.

 

Having proper rules isn't about nerfing Celtic or Rangers, it might do something to level things a little but we need the rules to protect the game from clubs taking advantage.

 

If we don't have the rules in place its too late when one season Rangers spend £40m of someone else's money to win the league or Celtic use 56 players in the course of overcoming a strong challenge from us or Hearts or whoever.

 

The principle is correct, its good enough for much bigger reacher clubs so why can't ours just implement it and crack on with things.

 

I think this stuff is in the "no brainer" category and there really isn't much to debate about whether we should have such rules in my opinion - only maybe worth debating how best to implement such things for our game.

[V for Vendetta]

Will these rules not just make our young players (for example) more determined to sign for any English sides just so they can get the time in?

 

You mean so they qualify for an EPL side as "home" grown? That would be dependent on the EPL rules (which are already in place) not our rules up here wouldn't it?

 

Young players are not included in the squad limits used either.

 

Or am I misunderstanding you?