Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[Clydeside_Sheep]

4 minutes ago, Parklife said:

I'm very capable of it. I try and do it at all times, except when I'm engaging with you. You have no interest in reason, only your hateful interpretation of the doctrine you've been brainwashed in to believing.

Any and all of my arguments are always in accord with perfect reason, which is why you don't engage with them properly.

[caledonia]

23 minutes ago, Beachend Bootboy said:

I refer you to my comment on Polls, their composition and accuracy. In any case you appear to have demonstrated a caption from 2010, which I'm struggling to see the relevance of.

Registered on Sunday i smell shit.

As for 2010 what a plonker

 

[Beachend Bootboy]

5 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Registered on Sunday i smell shit.

As for 2010 what a plonker

 

Ah, more insults.  Perhaps that's just your level.  I pay no heed to such keyboard warriorship

However, I am interested in why do you smell shit coz I registered on Sunday?

[Beachend Bootboy]

24 minutes ago, Parklife said:

I'm very capable of it. I try and do it at all times, except when I'm engaging with you. You have no interest in reason, only your hateful interpretation of the doctrine you've been brainwashed in to believing. 

"Typical ignorant socialist" is an insult. It's also not the only one you've used in this thread. I don't give a fuck about anyone insulting folk on here, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of you whinging about being insulted. 

No. It's generalising and attempting smear the entirety of people you disagree with as unreasonable. 

You appear to be doing the very thing you've accused others of. As I said, you appear incapable of reasoned debate. 

Wholly incorrect.  I too don't give a fuck about being insulted, merely pointed out that, that tack is oft used by those incapable or unwilling to debate in a proper manner. 

You must be a very sensitive petal if you deem "Typical ignorant socialist" to be insulting rather than an observation on my part.  I'm not 'generalising and attempting smear the entirety of people Idisagree with as unreasonable,' only those who resort to insults as opposed to skillfully negotiating a diatribe.

Now, I'd apologise for insulting you by calling you a 'petal' but I won't as it's a sign of weakness.

[Beachend Bootboy]

8 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

I don't like you already BB. You're a fucking arsehole isn't just an early impression, it's a conclusion. 

I don't give a fuck what you think of me.  You don't know me, you are nothing to me.  You must really be a genious if you can work somebody out after a few posts based on a different political opinion.  Kinda proves my point tho.  I am having a good laugh at your wee hissy fits too.  Thank you for that.

I shall look forward to your radio show.

[Jocky Balboa]

54 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

I thought with saying "a man" Cherry was making a pointed reference indicating the source may have been one of Sturgeon's transvestite storm-troopers, the ones who all hate Cherry (because she wont agree to pretend that they are women) and drive the hate campaign against her.

Sturgeon also hates Cherry because she is a critic of Sturgeon's incompetence and conduct (Sturgeon is behind Cherry's recent removal front the front bench).

These trannys are part of the ultra-intolerant band of woke zealots whom completely control the SNP.  We saw their influence again recently, a few trannys in the papers moaning about "transphobia" in the party and Sturgeon in hammer-horror make-up (similar to the trannys actually) making videos to appease them.

Such unhinged people are notorious for hate campaigns against anyone who wont agree to pretend that they are women.  Their tactics involve threats and harassment.  In recent years there have been similar tranny hate campaigns against various women from a feminist /christian / social campaigner background, notably Caroline Farrow.

Scottish Nationalism is a horrible environment, vicious, intolerant, poisonous, full of perverts and weirdos all seeking the use the movement as a vehicle for their own predilections.

I'm with you until the last paragraph. It's unfair and erroneous to taint Scottish Nationalism with these sick freaks. They, along with careerists like Pete Wishart and Alyn Smith, have made it clear they value independence very low on their list of priorities. Rather, they are entryists who have hitched a ride on the bandwagon of the new 'establishment party'. The proof is in the fact the influx post-2014 are largely ex-New Labour. They are simply going from one easy meal ticket to another.

You're a fine debater and should be above such generalisations. I could just as easily taint Unionism (AKA British Nationalism) with Hunnery, National Front, BNP, Combat 18 and Ulster Loyalism.

[caledonia]

No point arguing there is no valid reason that Scotland cant be independent like all other normal countries.

 

[Jocky Balboa]

In general, I would hope that, in the event of another campaign, both sides will restrain the nutters on their respective side of the fence and maintain reasoned, principled stances. That said, the world around us has changed significantly since 2014 and so it cannot be a re-run of last time's arguments.

For one thing, the SNP's "Independence in Europe" mantra is no longer a sure thing, considering our biggest trading partner rUK is out (though NI is technically half in, to which I'm experiencing issues already). I think the EEA/EFTA arrangement a la Norway, Iceland and Switzerland needs more prominence as an option. I'd also say the NATO question should be revisited, in light of a proposed desire to phase out Trident (we could charge rental until England builds its own port).

[Redforever86]

10 minutes ago, Beachend Bootboy said:

I don't give a fuck what you think of me.  You don't know me, you are nothing to me.  You must really be a genious if you can work somebody out after a few posts based on a different political opinion.  Kinda proves my point tho.  I am having a good laugh at your wee hissy fits too.  Thank you for that.

I shall look forward to your radio show.

Genious.

 

[Beachend Bootboy]

I thought so.

[Misers Hill]

11 minutes ago, Beachend Bootboy said:

I don't give a fuck what you think of me.  You don't know me, you are nothing to me.  You must really be a genious if you can work somebody out after a few posts based on a different political opinion.  Kinda proves my point tho.  I am having a good laugh at your wee hissy fits too.  Thank you for that.

I shall look forward to your radio show.

How did you come by the user name ??

You met @RedArmyFakshun?

 

[Beachend Bootboy]

3 minutes ago, Misers Hill said:

How did you come by the user name ??

You met @RedArmyFakshun?

 

Had to choose something to reflect me.  Don't get the Chinese flag relevance tho.

Never heard of or met that fella.  Should I know him?

[Misers Hill]

1 minute ago, Beachend Bootboy said:

Had to choose something to reflect me.  Don't get the Chinese flag relevance tho.

Never heard of or met that fella.  Should I know him?

I'll let you read that again??

[The Boofon]

27 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

I don't like you already BB. You're a fucking arsehole isn't just an early impression, it's a conclusion. 

Hahahaha

[Beachend Bootboy]

2 minutes ago, Misers Hill said:

I'll let you read that again??

Fuckin' lost me mate.

[Misers Hill]

1 minute ago, Beachend Bootboy said:

Fuckin' lost me ??

Were on the Left side ?..

or are you 25?

[winchester83]

In general, I would hope that, in the event of another campaign, both sides will restrain the nutters on their respective side of the fence and maintain reasoned, principled stances. That said, the world around us has changed significantly since 2014 and so it cannot be a re-run of last time's arguments.

For one thing, the SNP's "Independence in Europe" mantra is no longer a sure thing, considering our biggest trading partner rUK is out (though NI is technically half in, to which I'm experiencing issues already). I think the EEA/EFTA arrangement a la Norway, Iceland and Switzerland needs more prominence as an option. I'd also say the NATO question should be revisited, in light of a proposed desire to phase out Trident (we could charge rental until England builds its own port).

 

Or UK charges Scotland for protection until a new base built in Solway Firth

[Beachend Bootboy]

41 minutes ago, Misers Hill said:

Were on the Left side ?..

or are you 25?

Commies an no.

 

I fuckin' hate communism.  Dangerous as fuck!!!

[davieb]

2 hours ago, daytripping said:

My daughter is the biggest nat hater going, all off her own back. Politics isn't something we discuss. Sturgeon is a corrupt little weasel, imagine that in charge.

lol from a raging Tory scumbag ?

[Parklife]

32 minutes ago, davieb said:

lol from a raging Tory scumbag ?

Given her dad is a massive nationalist, it's a startling admission that her dad hates "nats". 

[Misers Hill]

41 minutes ago, Beachend Bootboy said:

Commies an no.

 

I fuckin' hate communism.  Dangerous as fuck!!!

Read again??

ok..your 25??....

A few belters incoming recently ?...?

smell Hunnery...?‍☠️?

[Beachend Bootboy]

10 minutes ago, Misers Hill said:

Read again??

ok..your 25??....

A few belters incoming recently ?...?

smell Hunnery...?‍☠️?

So, being a white, straight, working class, SNP and commie hating male Unionist makes me a Rangers fan.  Utterly wonderful train of thought there.  ????

[Misers Hill]

2 minutes ago, Beachend Bootboy said:

So, being a white, straight, working class, SNP and commie hating male Unionist makes me a Rangers fan.  Utterly wonderful train of thought there.  ????

Crikey ...?

What a fucking Divot?

 

[NEM]

3 hours ago, manboobs109 said:

Nazicola Spunkguns!! ?

A big improvement on Krankie McMerkel ?

[Clydeside_Sheep]

1 hour ago, Jocky Balboa said:

I'm with you until the last paragraph. It's unfair and erroneous to taint Scottish Nationalism with these sick freaks. They, along with careerists like Pete Wishart and Alyn Smith, have made it clear they value independence very low on their list of priorities. Rather, they are entryists who have hitched a ride on the bandwagon of the new 'establishment party'. The proof is in the fact the influx post-2014 are largely ex-New Labour. They are simply going from one easy meal ticket to another.

You're a fine debater and should be above such generalisations. I could just as easily taint Unionism (AKA British Nationalism) with Hunnery, National Front, BNP, Combat 18 and Ulster Loyalism.

 Look at the fit up of Salmond, the SNP tried to imprison someone for political expediency.  And they have told lies and obstructed enquiries off the back of it.  This and the treatment of Joanna Cherry (threats/lies) is what I was getting at with a poisonous and vicious environment.

And between Mark McDonald and homosexual predator Derek Mackay, its clear a lot of elected nationalist personnel are creeps.  Apparently even Salmond himself had a reputation for being over familiar.

And LGBT persons have an absurd amount of prominence and influence within the SNP.  Of course they should be represented, as part of society, but Sturgeon dances to their tune and it has fall out for ordinary people.

Look how quickly she released a video about "transphobia" recently, when the trannys clicked their fingers.  Yet to the best of my knowledge, (at the time of writing), she has failed to speak out to condemn the threats to Joanna Cherrys safety.  A remarkable contrast, which the scottish media ignore. I would have thought that condemning threats to one of their own politicians would be a priority for any leader.

I know nationalism is bigger than the SNP,  but ultimately the SNP is what nationalism inflicts on us and is its public face.

I agree the things you mention tarnish unionism, but at least they are not at the heart of government and/or being enabled by government.

The Sturgeon regime reminds me of the end of the John Major Government.  When they could do nothing right, had lots of infighting and personalities were regularly exposed as perverts or somehow sexually misbehaving.  Remember David Mellor, and also the guy found dead wearing a pair of suspenders.  And Major himself was accused of an affair with a female minister (I remember 'Spitting Image' parodying it).

The thing is the (english) voters had the good sense to ditch the tories at that point.  However, im not sure Scotland has the nous to ditch the SNP.

[NEM]

2 hours ago, caledonia said:

Bit strange 14% of SNP voters voting no?

[NEM]

1 hour ago, Beachend Bootboy said:

Commies an no.

 

I fuckin' hate communism.  Dangerous as fuck!!!

I think he's referring to which side of the beach end you sat nae your political persuasion ?

[davieb]

48 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Given her dad is a massive nationalist, it's a startling admission that her dad hates "nats". 

."Sturgeon is a corrupt little weasel, imagine that in charge" ... aye sure champ! ?

[daytripping]

36 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

The whole problem is the "union". Rents said it best to Tommy.

When a country has been colonised for this long, over 300 years, many of its inhabitants have become used to the status quo and lack the imagination to consider what might be. 400,000 English settlers don't add much to an independent vote either.

For the rest of us - who the polls reckon are now the majority - there are a significant number of us who can't stand the SNP and their politicians and who consider their policies as lacking in any foresight whatsoever, anti-competitive and uninspiring, almost a throwback to old school labour and totally devoid of any realistic appreciation of human nature and the evolution of global geo-politics.

We only vote SNP for the SOLE PURPOSE that they represent the ONLY voice for independence.

As soon as we are independent, I expect the current SNP incumbents to become redundant and the SNP to die.

Didn't they used to say they would disband the party if they won, I'm sure that was a pledge years ago. Would never happen now.

[Beachend Bootboy]

1 hour ago, NEM said:

I think he's referring to which side of the beach end you sat nae your political persuasion ?

????????

Don't change the fact I hate communism tho.???