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As per last season i believe it was clear very early on what we were lacking and there was a general consensus among fans.

 

There is a lot of work to be done. Signings needed;

 

GK (a proper back up as it is clear the management doesn't think Rogers is good enough)

 

RB (since Logan signed his new deal his form has dipped. This coupled with no competition for his place seems to have destroyed his good form)

 

LB (is have Shinnie 1sr choice LB all day long. But unless Harvie is capable we need another true LB with pace to compete).

 

DCM x 2 (to replace AOC, Ball...a much better standard required).

 

CM x 2 (to replace McLean and give us another options. Ball playing midfielders who are going to get into double figures in goals and assists)

 

AM x 1 (assuming we lose Christie a true number 10)

 

RW x 1 (another option to compete with McGinn, replacing Stewart)

 

LW x 1 (not convinced by GMS, was hoping Wright would

Kick on but unless something changes from now until end of the season we need a LB energetic robiust LW).

 

ST x 1 (replacement for Maynard. Ideally a long term successor to Rooney...can only see him going backwards although will still be decent for next season).

 

That's 10 new signings and shows the failure in the summer gone to properly recruit.

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Shinniesta Proficient

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For sure an overhaul of several positions is definitely required. Last season the team had a proper spine and a consistency of selection due to that well established spine of players. That spine in my opinion has now pretty much evaporated as too many players have questions marks over them. We also just have too many players either on loan (McLean, Christie, Stewart, Ball, Woodman and Nkawali) on one year deals (Maynard and Arnason) or out of contract (O'Connor). Then we have Tansey signed on a 3 year deal who has already basically been discarded. We have May who is either not the player he was, is not fully fit or is just not being used properly. And players like Considine and Reynolds still under contract who are just not good enough now if we want to progress as a club. Both players are now major liabilities.

 

It's all a bit of a mess and I think we may have to accept a season of transition next year where we may no longer be the main threat to the ugly sisters.

 

Players who will in my opinion currently form part of the spine of the team next season are Lewis, McKenna, Devlin, Shinnie, GMS & McGinn. Hopefully May as well if he can regain his old form he has a lot to prove but I retain hope for him as he is still relatively young. And Logan too if he can get back to his best. Both May and Logan have been major disappointments this season. Rooney for me is no longer an automatic starter. Stewart has also been a major disappointment for someone who you would have thought was desperate to come back north and prove himself again after his experience at Birmingham.

 

On the plus side hopefully Devlin gets fully fit and establishes a solid CH pairing with McKenna.

 

Midfield is our biggest issue we need a complete overhaul in there. Rodgers said yesterday that Christie will be returning to Celtic next season. McLean is off to Norwich and I imagine (hope!) Ball and O'Connor will both be gone. Probably Nwakali as well. Complete rebuild required in that area and left back also a very pressing issue as I think DM will want to retain Shinnie's presence in midfield especially with McLean off to pastures new. I don't think I can handle another season of Considine as first choice LB.

 

I actually feel a tad depressed after typing that. I just hope some of the younger players get a proper chance next season (Wright, Harvie, F Ross & Campbell) and they step up to the plate in the same manner that the Hearts youngsters appear to have done.

 

Major surgery definitely required. But as others have pointed out on other threads if McInnes is still in charge he will have to take risks on certain players whose careers have stalled for one reason or another and hope they can regain previous form. Our budget dictates that.

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Or is the simpler task, instead of major player upheaval, to get a better manager to get the best out of these players that maybe the current incumbent isn't ?

 

A new manager will still need to replace 10 of the squad from yesterday as they are not here next season anyway

 

Really try and think before posting

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dj_bollocks Experienced

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A new manager will still need to replace 10 of the squad from yesterday as they are not here next season anyway

 

Really try and think before posting

 

Is that essential AFC Hat post regulations now ? To post a pithy dig in reply to a comment ? If so, please insert "grow up you bell end" to the end of this post.

 

If on the other hand you'd like to have an intelligent debate as to how a new manager might wish to proceed in the summer than be my guest.

 

Here's the list of who's out of contract. I'd argue that we'd only miss 2 of them...

 

Summer 2018

 

Ryan Christie - end of loan

Greg Stewart - end of loan

Dominic Ball - end of loan

Kenny McLean - end of loan

Chidi Nwakali - end of loan

Freddie Woodman - end of loan

 

Danny Rogers

David Craddock

Anthony O'Connor

Kari Arnason

Harlain Mbayo (on loan to Albion Rovers)

Daniel Harvie

Nicky Maynard

Bruce Anderson (on loan to Elgin)

Connor McLennan (on loan to Brechin)

 

Notwithstanding we'll need to get some more bodies in to bolster the squad, whoever manages the squad has a more than capable squad here...

 

2019

 

Graeme Shinnie

Andrew Considine

Mark Reynolds

Gary Mackay-Steven

Frank Ross

 

2020

 

Joe Lewis

Shay Logan

Greg Tansey (on loan to Ross County)

Adam Rooney

Dean Campbell

Sam Cosgrove

Derek McInnes

Tony Docherty

 

2021

 

Stevie May

Scott Wright

Scott McKenna

Niall McGinn

Michael Devlin

So... my point still stands. Do we need DMc, to work his "magic" ? Or is it best left to someone else to give a new perspective on it...?
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a more than capable squad left?

 

I think I could make a team from those leaving capable of beating those remaining even if you do play Mcinnes Centre Mid along side Docherty to make up numbers

 

your suggestion of a simpler task to avoid an upheaval by letting a new manager in to work with whats left as he will get more from them is not really sensible is it?

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I'd be happy with the following, although expect some flack for it.

 

Out:

Maynard - the worst striker that has ever pulled on the shirt.

Tansey - pish.

Ball - not good enough.

Stewart - fat and shite.

McLean - end of loan. Despite how pish he was at the start of this season, on current form he's a miss.

Arnason - he's past it.

O'Connor - fucking AWFUL player. Sooner this cunt is out of our club the better.

Reynolds - past it about three seasons ago.

Rogers - will never be good enough.

Woodman - end of loan and isn't good enough.

Wright - if we're not going to play him then loan him out.

Ross - As above.

 

IN:

Dylan McGeouch - a solid midfielder at this level. Would be a vast improvement over Tansey

Ryan Christie - permanent or another loan. A great player on his day.

Chidi Nwakali - this one is a bit of a risk but from what I've seen of him, he'd give us some much needed physicality in our midfield and allow Shinnie to play left-back. I think Chidi could be like a young Flood if given game time and a proper pre-season with us. He's free in the summer so why not?

Jordan Jones - pacey as fuck, a trait this side has lacked all season. Would give us another option and give some proper competition to McGinn and GMS.

Youssouf Mulumbu - an extremely good midfielder at this level. It's a big ask to get him, but if it could be done then it's something we need to make happen.

 

If (and it's a big if) we could make the above happen, then we'd be looking at a team something like:

 

Lewis

 

Logan Devlin McKenna Shinnie

 

McGeouch Mulumbu

 

McGinn Christie GMS

 

May

 

Subs: Rooney, Jones, Nwakali, Considine, Harvie, Mutch, Wright/Ross/Deano

 

I don't see why some or all of the above can't be signed with a bit of squad jiggery pokery. It leaves us with Rooney and May as the only senior strikers but really we've been playing with two senior strikers for past few seasons anyway so it's not any different, we're just taking the wage we'd waste on a Maynard type and spending it on a good player elsewhere.

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Or is the simpler task, instead of major player upheaval, to get a better manager to get the best out of these players that maybe the current incumbent isn't ?

 

This all day long.

 

Fielding an eleven-man team is a modern orthodoxy that's little more than a fashion fad.

 

Look at sevens rugby - how much quicker and more open the game is!

 

We need fewer players on the park - with a manager who can get more out of the ones we have.

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AllyDon Proficient

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I'd be happy with the following, although expect some flack for it.

 

Out:

Maynard - the worst striker that has ever pulled on the shirt.

Tansey - pish.

Ball - not good enough.

Stewart - fat and shite.

McLean - end of loan. Despite how pish he was at the start of this season, on current form he's a miss.

Arnason - he's past it.

O'Connor - fucking AWFUL player. Sooner this cunt is out of our club the better.

Reynolds - past it about three seasons ago.

Rogers - will never be good enough.

Woodman - end of loan and isn't good enough.

Wright - if we're not going to play him then loan him out.

Ross - As above.

 

IN:

Dylan McGeouch - a solid midfielder at this level. Would be a vast improvement over Tansey

Ryan Christie - permanent or another loan. A great player on his day.

Chidi Nwakali - this one is a bit of a risk but from what I've seen of him, he'd give us some much needed physicality in our midfield and allow Shinnie to play left-back. I think Chidi could be like a young Flood if given game time and a proper pre-season with us. He's free in the summer so why not?

Jordan Jones - pacey as fuck, a trait this side has lacked all season. Would give us another option and give some proper competition to McGinn and GMS.

Youssouf Mulumbu - an extremely good midfielder at this level. It's a big ask to get him, but if it could be done then it's something we need to make happen.

 

If (and it's a big if) we could make the above happen, then we'd be looking at a team something like:

 

Lewis

 

Logan Devlin McKenna Shinnie

 

McGeouch Mulumbu

 

McGinn Christie GMS

 

May

 

Subs: Rooney, Jones, Nwakali, Considine, Harvie, Mutch, Wright/Ross/Deano

 

I don't see why some or all of the above can't be signed with a bit of squad jiggery pokery. It leaves us with Rooney and May as the only senior strikers but really we've been playing with two senior strikers for past few seasons anyway so it's not any different, we're just taking the wage we'd waste on a Maynard type and spending it on a good player elsewhere.

I'd be happy with the following, although expect some flack for it.

 

Out:

Maynard - the worst striker that has ever pulled on the shirt.

Tansey - pish.

Ball - not good enough.

Stewart - fat and shite.

McLean - end of loan. Despite how pish he was at the start of this season, on current form he's a miss.

Arnason - he's past it.

O'Connor - fucking AWFUL player. Sooner this cunt is out of our club the better.

Reynolds - past it about three seasons ago.

Rogers - will never be good enough.

Woodman - end of loan and isn't good enough.

Wright - if we're not going to play him then loan him out.

Ross - As above.

 

IN:

Dylan McGeouch - a solid midfielder at this level. Would be a vast improvement over Tansey

Ryan Christie - permanent or another loan. A great player on his day.

Chidi Nwakali - this one is a bit of a risk but from what I've seen of him, he'd give us some much needed physicality in our midfield and allow Shinnie to play left-back. I think Chidi could be like a young Flood if given game time and a proper pre-season with us. He's free in the summer so why not?

Jordan Jones - pacey as fuck, a trait this side has lacked all season. Would give us another option and give some proper competition to McGinn and GMS.

Youssouf Mulumbu - an extremely good midfielder at this level. It's a big ask to get him, but if it could be done then it's something we need to make happen.

 

If (and it's a big if) we could make the above happen, then we'd be looking at a team something like:

 

Lewis

 

Logan Devlin McKenna Shinnie

 

McGeouch Mulumbu

 

McGinn Christie GMS

 

May

 

Subs: Rooney, Jones, Nwakali, Considine, Harvie, Mutch, Wright/Ross/Deano

 

I don't see why some or all of the above can't be signed with a bit of squad jiggery pokery. It leaves us with Rooney and May as the only senior strikers but really we've been playing with two senior strikers for past few seasons anyway so it's not any different, we're just taking the wage we'd waste on a Maynard type and spending it on a good player elsewhere.

Good post and agree

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Christie not allowed to sign for us according to the TV.

 

It is good that a lot of our shite to average players are out of contract in summer.

Unfortunately we are still stuck on long deals for the likes of Tansey & Mcinnes.

If McInnes was to leave. There are a good few contract slots for players coming available for any new manager to come in.

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Given that about half our existing first team squad will leave this Summer, even if McInnes recruits well in the next window (and that is a huge IF based on recent history) one of the inevitable consequences will be a very unsettled team heading into the European games making a decent run in Europe an even longer shot than normal. Many of the eventual signings may not even be in place by the time of the first European game given it is likely to be only a few days after window opens, especially the inevitable loan signings from England.

 

Just another reason why it is ridiculous he has managed to get the squad into the shambles that it is after being in place for 5 years.

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redstrummer Mentor

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I'd be happy with the following, although expect some flack for it.

 

Out:

Maynard - the worst striker that has ever pulled on the shirt.

Tansey - pish.

Ball - not good enough.

Stewart - fat and shite.

McLean - end of loan. Despite how pish he was at the start of this season, on current form he's a miss.

Arnason - he's past it.

O'Connor - fucking AWFUL player. Sooner this cunt is out of our club the better.

Reynolds - past it about three seasons ago.

Rogers - will never be good enough.

Woodman - end of loan and isn't good enough.

Wright - if we're not going to play him then loan him out.

Ross - As above.

 

IN:

Dylan McGeouch - a solid midfielder at this level. Would be a vast improvement over Tansey

Ryan Christie - permanent or another loan. A great player on his day.

Chidi Nwakali - this one is a bit of a risk but from what I've seen of him, he'd give us some much needed physicality in our midfield and allow Shinnie to play left-back. I think Chidi could be like a young Flood if given game time and a proper pre-season with us. He's free in the summer so why not?

Jordan Jones - pacey as fuck, a trait this side has lacked all season. Would give us another option and give some proper competition to McGinn and GMS.

Youssouf Mulumbu - an extremely good midfielder at this level. It's a big ask to get him, but if it could be done then it's something we need to make happen.

 

If (and it's a big if) we could make the above happen, then we'd be looking at a team something like:

 

Lewis

 

Logan Devlin McKenna Shinnie

 

McGeouch Mulumbu

 

McGinn Christie GMS

 

May

 

Subs: Rooney, Jones, Nwakali, Considine, Harvie, Mutch, Wright/Ross/Deano

 

I don't see why some or all of the above can't be signed with a bit of squad jiggery pokery. It leaves us with Rooney and May as the only senior strikers but really we've been playing with two senior strikers for past few seasons anyway so it's not any different, we're just taking the wage we'd waste on a Maynard type and spending it on a good player elsewhere.

 

Agree pretty much with this . Worrying where we are going to find as much as 10 new players as suggested elsewhere.

 

Think we also need to find a striker , no idea who . The signing of Cosgrove shows neither does McInnes

 

Another name to mention is Chris Cadden . Can play RB or RW

 

Hopefully we get in mostly permanent signing . Don't mind one or two loanees but no more

 

Please sign midfielders so Shinnie can go to LB or sign a LB to get Considine out of there and back up CB only

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starryfish Mentor

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Given that about half our existing first team squad will leave this Summer, even if McInnes recruits well in the next window (and that is a huge IF based on recent history) one of the inevitable consequences will be a very unsettled team heading into the European games making a decent run in Europe an even longer shot than normal. Many of the eventual signings may not even be in place by the time of the first European game given it is likely to be only a few days after window opens, especially the inevitable loan signings from England.

 

Just another reason why it is ridiculous he has managed to get the squad into the shambles that it is after being in place for 5 years.

We arent qualifying for Europe based on the last three performances.

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Shinniesta Proficient

Shinniesta

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Lewis

 

Logan Devlin McKenna Considine

 

NEW Shinnie

 

McGinn NEW GMS

 

May

 

subs: NEW, Reynolds, Rooney, Wright, NEW, Tansey, NEW

 

 

Only actually 5 signings needed to still be semi decent

If we are to persist with May I honestly think that playing him up front as a lone striker will never work. He need a strike partner to get the best out of him.

 

I can't see Tansey being here next season despite his 3 year contract. McInnes said he didn't want to stay and fight for his place hence going to County on loan. I think (hope!) a permanent parting of the ways happens in the next window.

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