Scotland V Peru & Mexico

[Quagmire]

I think they'd probably take a 3 million bid right now. Not that he's worth that in this market but its cash in the bank with no risk of him or Aberdeen having a shit season and his value plummeting.

[RAZOR]

I think they'd probably take a 3 million bid right now.

 

Yup. Nae steens.

[redone]

We will take buttons for him. I have absolutely no doubt. Or faith, in Stewie

We didn’t accept Hull’s offers in January.

[Ke1t]

 

 

Bizarre to use Jess as a comparator IMO. Given the transfer fee inflation since 1996, the amount he went for would equate to many multiples of that in today's market.

 

However, i'd also say that fees of £10 million being quoted here are unrealistic. Given the low esteem that our league is (unfairly) held in down south, they'd be reluctant to shell out big dosh for a relatively untested player. Especially given that our defensive record vs Celtic and Rangers leaves a lot to be desired.

 

Some big performances by him (and the rest of the side) in Europe and vs Celtic will help English clubs have more comfort in shelling out a decent fee for him. However at this stage, i'd be surprised if any club was prepared to take the risk of spending more than £2-3 million on him.

 

I'd hope we'd be able to reject bids of that sort of level for the mean time. With the faith that McKenna will continue to develop and net us much more in future.

 

It's not at all bizarre.

 

Jess was our record transfer. I was using him to illustrate that, even when we have had a valuable asset we've been unable to capitalize on that asset by creating a situation whereby we can bring in anything like an inflated fee for him.

 

Jess went for a couple of million, maximum. A couple of years earlier the Tims had paid out, just as an example, about 1.5 million for Stuart Slater. A very average team player who was half the player Jess was. Does anyone remember Stuart Slater? Probably very few. The point being that 2 million was not some amazing amount of cash for a player like Eoin Jess, because as a club we have a history of getting either derisory sums for our players or nothing at all. Jess might even be seen as an anomaly, because we DID actually get a standard fee for him.

 

Not a crazy, inflated fee... just a decent amount of cash. And this is in large part because Jess himself WANTED Aberdeen to get money for him. If he'd gone to Italy the club would, once again, have succeeded in getting sweet fuck all for him.

[BWG]

You'd have to imagine both Tierney and Robertson will start at a 'competitive' match. Shinnie an excellent back up.

I think Tierney will start on the right and Robertson the left.

Aye. Shinnie will have limited caps but should always be in the squad because of his versatility.

 

Good to have about the place is Graeme...

[DelMonte]

Is that 4 games McLeish has managed for Scotland and he hasn't got both Tierney and Robertson playing at the same time. It's one of the key things he needs to get right, must be quite annoying that he hasn't had a chance to try them out in the same team.

[aberdeen1970]

Is that 4 games McLeish has managed for Scotland and he hasn't got both Tierney and Robertson playing at the same time. It's one of the key things he needs to get right, must be quite annoying that he hasn't had a chance to try them out in the same team.

 

It's absolutely crucial for him that he finds a system that gets them both in the team I think.

 

Strachan tried Tierney at right back which didn't suit him really and left of a three which suited him a bit better but limited him coming forward.

 

Robertson is our best player by a country mile. Id be tempted to play Tierney left back and push Robertson further forward. He could play left midfield/wing no problem at all and would be a big threat there for us there.

[Tord31]

Aye that's what i'd go for. 4-2-3-1 with Tierney left back and Robertson left winger.

 

McKenna left centre back.

[Parklife]

 

It's not at all bizarre.

 

Jess was our record transfer. I was using him to illustrate that, even when we have had a valuable asset we've been unable to capitalize on that asset by creating a situation whereby we can bring in anything like an inflated fee for him.

 

Jess went for a couple of million, maximum. A couple of years earlier the Tims had paid out, just as an example, about 1.5 million for Stuart Slater. A very average team player who was half the player Jess was. Does anyone remember Stuart Slater? Probably very few. The point being that 2 million was not some amazing amount of cash for a player like Eoin Jess, because as a club we have a history of getting either derisory sums for our players or nothing at all. Jess might even be seen as an anomaly, because we DID actually get a standard fee for him.

 

Not a crazy, inflated fee... just a decent amount of cash. And this is in large part because Jess himself WANTED Aberdeen to get money for him. If he'd gone to Italy the club would, once again, have succeeded in getting sweet fuck all for him.

I've perhaps misunderstood what you were saying. Apologies.

 

I understand and agree that AFC have a poor track record when it comes to captilising on our assets.

[dave_min]

Well, technically I suppose he is.

 

It's unlikely to add a whole lot of value given the circumstances, though.

He's never played a competitive game.

 

Could still change his mind and represent Andorra.

[aberdeen1970]

Aye that's what i'd go for. 4-2-3-1 with Tierney left back and Robertson left winger.

 

McKenna left centre back.

 

Aye same here. Left side sorted.

 

Right side is harder to nail down and get the balance right.

 

Mulgrew looks like being his right centre back (and captain)

 

Paterson is probably the best right back but not being played there currently by his club.

 

Fraser, Ritchie and Forrest will probably fight it out for the right attacking place.

[Tord31]

We need to be developing two players for the right side of defence.

 

Hendry, Soutar etc?

 

Mulgrew is too old and it's another year until we start the euro qualifiers. Paterson is not good enough to play right back.

 

I do however agree it's wise to not force young defenders into the team all at once so it's been a good idea to retain Mulgrew for the first 5-10 internationals under McLeish

[aberdeen1970]

We need to be developing two players for the right side of defence.

 

Hendry, Soutar etc?

 

Mulgrew is too old and it's another year until we start the euro qualifiers. Paterson is not good enough to play right back.

 

I do however agree it's wise to not force young defenders into the team all at once so it's been a good idea to retain Mulgrew for the first 5-10 internationals under McLeish

 

Aye Soutar might be a shout there. I forgot about him.

 

Further forward I think he'll go with McTominay and McGinn central midfield

 

And McGregor or Armstrong behind the thumb

[Parklife]

 

Aye same here. Left side sorted.

 

Right side is harder to nail down and get the balance right.

 

Mulgrew looks like being his right centre back (and captain)

 

Paterson is probably the best right back but not being played there currently by his club.

 

Fraser, Ritchie and Forrest will probably fight it out for the right attacking place.

Matt Ritchie is horrendous. Hopefully we never see him in a Scotland shirt again.

 

An embarassment in multiple different ways.

[True_Don]

Hoping Burke can turn into the player people think he could be. We are so short of strikers we need miss many potential match winners in the team. I'd also not rule out Snodgrass to play a part in the next campaign.

[dazzy_deff]

Hoping Burke can turn into the player people think he could be. We are so short of strikers we need miss many potential match winners in the team. I'd also not rule out Snodgrass to play a part in the next campaign.

Snodgrass, McArthur etc will walk back in.

[aberdeen1970]

Hoping Burke can turn into the player people think he could be. We are so short of strikers we need miss many potential match winners in the team. I'd also not rule out Snodgrass to play a part in the next campaign.

 

Aye if Burke came through that would be a bonus. The thought of playing Phillips or McBurnie upfront if the thumb is injured is pretty scary.

[mcdougall(4)]

Aye. Shinnie will have limited caps but should always be in the squad because of his versatility.

 

Good to have about the place is Graeme...

Phil Neville got 50 odd caps for England that way and shinniesta is better than him

[mcdougall(4)]

Hoping Burke can turn into the player people think he could be. We are so short of strikers we need miss many potential match winners in the team. I'd also not rule out Snodgrass to play a part in the next campaign.

Scored a brilliant goal for the under 20/21s not sure which it is in Toulon

[mcdougall(4)]

I don't get the hype around this Burke cunt.

Decent?

 

https://twitter.com/GoalUK/status/1002966567645147136?s=19

[Ke1t]

I've perhaps misunderstood what you were saying. Apologies.

 

I understand and agree that AFC have a poor track record when it comes to captilising on our assets.

 

No apologies necessary.

 

It's unusual to see someone willing to hold their hand up and say they might have got something wrong or misunderstood.

 

Which I'll also be delighted to do if we get anything like an inflated number for McKenna.

 

[1903Fitba]

Whatever it is, says page can't be found - but I'm assuming it's in relation to his goal the other day...

 

Ive also read a few articles on him of people who've tracked his career and have stated that 'it has gone to his head and his attitude is shite'.

 

Rory Fallon scored a worldie once...

Wasn’t even decent. 2 Koreans fell over in front of him and he bunted it in.

 

Pub league defending ffs

 

He’s over hyped to fuck. Big athlete with a bust coupon.

[Shinniesta]

 

No apologies necessary.

 

It's unusual to see someone willing to hold their hand up and say they might have got something wrong or misunderstood.

 

Which I'll also be delighted to do if we get anything like an inflated number for McKenna.

 

I do see where you are coming from ke1t and you're right historically we have been very poor at getting value for money when selling our assets. Ryan Fraser is a good recent example I think most would say that he's a better player than Gauld yet we get £600k for him and DU get £3m for Gauld. Had McKenna made his breakthrough at the same time as Fraser I have no doubt we'd have sold him before he even got capped and probably for the sort of numbers Hull were bidding in January. It wasn't always that way but admittedly it has been since Wiggy has been the chairman (I remember the huns paying £1m and £1.5m respectively for Robertson and Wright back in the early 90's which were good fees for full backs at that point in time).

 

I guess a lot of of us are looking at it from the angle that we are a club that is now debt free and don't need to just accept the first offer. We do seem to be far more professional as a club in recent years. We have a manager who continually talks up McKenna's star potential and a board that you'd hope will listen to McInnes and not left him go for anything other than top dollar. Wiggy worships McInnes and Del has mentioned a few times now that McKenna has the potential to be sold for a lot of money in the future.

[aberdeen1970]

I do see where you are coming from ke1t and you're right historically we have been very poor at getting value for money when selling our assets. Ryan Fraser is a good recent example I think most would say that he's a better player than Gauld yet we get £600k for him and DU get £3m for Gauld. Had McKenna made his breakthrough at the same time as Fraser I have no doubt we'd have sold him before he even got capped and probably for the sort of numbers Hull were bidding in January. It wasn't always that way but admittedly it has been since Wiggy has been the chairman (I remember the huns paying £1m and £1.5m respectively for Robertson and Wright back in the early 90's which were good fees for full backs at that point in time).

 

I guess a lot of of us are looking at it from the angle that we are a club that is now debt free and don't need to just accept the first offer. We do seem to be far more professional as a club in recent years. We have a manager who continually talks up McKenna's star potential and a board that you'd hope will listen to McInnes and not left him go for anything other than top dollar. Wiggy worships McInnes and Del has mentioned a few times now that McKenna has the potential to be sold for a lot of money in the future.

The other difference now is the length of contract. We used to have our best young players on short term deals so had to sell cheap or for compensation . McKenna, Wright, Campbell all on longer term deals these days.

[The Boofon]

Aye. Shinnie will have limited caps but should always be in the squad because of his versatility.

Good to have about the place is Graeme...

You don’t really need versatile players when you pick a 22 man squad though.

 

2 players in each position. (Goalies normally 3 of those so 23 man squad)

[Ke1t]

The other difference now is the length of contract. We used to have our best young players on short term deals so had to sell cheap or for compensation . McKenna, Wright, Campbell all on longer term deals these days.

 

...and for THIS reason I could see him moving for maybe an additional million on top of the couple of million I expect we'd get for him.

 

I would HOPE a hefty sell on clause is possible, regardless of the final tally.

[Shinniesta]

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/aberdeen-fc/donsnews/manager-mcinnes-knows-dons-are-still-in-control-of-mckennas-future/amp/

 

McInnes giving his thoughts on the McKenna situation. Rejecting a £1m plus bid in January when McKenna was uncapped and contracted until 2021 says to me that the club are convinced there is the potential to get a much larger fee for him in the next year or two. Rejecting that bid then extending his contract by a further two years to 2023 is something we just wouldn't have done not so long ago when we were in debt and a permanent bottom 6 team. It says to me that the club are very confident his value will just keep rising as he gains more and more experience with ourselves and with the national team. Definitely changed days and gladly for the better.

[DelMonte]

Phil Neville got 50 odd caps for England that way and shinniesta is better than him

Cannot be serious surely