Spl Vs Efl New Tv Deals

[SheepieBaaBaa]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46279568

 

With the EFL getting 595 million across 3 leagues and SPFL getting 160 million, this should surely change the dynamic when competing for players.

 

If we assume that the championship gets the lions share of that with say 60% , that is 15 million per club (yes I know it isn't evenly split, but just illustrative)

The new SPFL deal means just over 13 million per club (again yes I know it isn't evenly split, but just illustrative).

 

The top half of the championship make way more than us in matchday revenue, but anything below that is roughly comparable or significantly less.

 

In that context, if we still aren't able to compete for players signatures with the English championship, especially with a realistic promise of  European football, then that points to major deficiencies within the clubs recruitment and retention.

 

Might we even be able to benefit from the fallout as some Championship clubs reduce their wage bill?

 

Apologies if this is similar to any previous threads, please feel free to merge.

 

 

[Chewie37]

If we can back up this deal with some more international deals and investment it could look quite rosy for Scottish fitba. I'd love to see a "reality" show following a Scottish team in the lower leagues in the Scottish Cup or something. Be like Trawlers but with flash cunts who think they're ace

[NEM]

All well and good if Championship clubs lived within their means but they don't.  They are all spending way more than the 56% of turnover on wages that we do.

[Shinniesta]

I don't think it will realistically change the dynamic that much.

 

Clubs down south will still be able to outbid us for players. And clubs down there are far more likely to attract major outside investment / rich owners chasing the "dream" of the Premier League promise land.

[V for Vendetta]

Shinniesta is right.

 

Also clubs down south are spending far beyond their means so will still be able to outbid clubs up here.

[zander]

Factor in the clubs in the championship who have recieved parachute payments over the years also.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

The problem is the rewards of the premiership are so ridiculous that as the FA went after one club for overspending there’s another 5 would be doing it behind their backs.

[Poodler]

All well and good if Championship clubs lived within their means but they don't. They are all spending way more than the 56% of turnover on wages that we do.

Aye aren't Bolton like 170M in debt or something?

[SheepieBaaBaa]

Aye, fair points.

 

Be nice to think we can at least improve on the current situation though.

 

We at least have the theoretical incentive of being able to offer European football thoigh.

 

Overal the ridiculous self fulfilling prophecy of "greatest league in the world" still maddens me though.

 

Tell you what Sky. Give the SPFL 1.5billion a year for 3 years and the EPL 32million and we'll see where the greatest league on the world is then.

[mcdougall(4)]

Aye, fair points.

 

Be nice to think we can at least improve on the current situation though.

 

We at least have the theoretical incentive of being able to offer European football thoigh.

 

Overal the ridiculous self fulfilling prophecy of "greatest league in the world" still maddens me though.

 

Tell you what Sky. Give the SPFL 1.5billion a year for 3 years and the EPL 32million and we'll see where the greatest league on the world is then.

 

Do Sky promote the EFL as being the 'Greatest League in or on the World'?

 

I mean the TV deal you have referenced here has nothing to do with the deal the EPL gets.

 

At the end of the day the Championship in England has huge clubs in it and has continuously since its inception, it has been through numerous iterations as the EPL has, it is those clubs with their fan bases that drive the value they get. 

Aston Villa v Birmingham will have gotten a bigger rating for Sky at the weekend than an SPL game will.

 

People keep moaning about TV deals but its based on people watching and I would guess Scottish games rate lower in the main, than Championship games do, its mainly population theory but also the state of the game in this country. 

[perthshirered]

The transfer fees involved down there help them greatly too.

Brentford would be one of those teams you'd be looking to compete with yet they sold that cunt Scott Hogan, who nobody has ever heard of, to Villa for £12million. Meanwhile Motherwell got around 500k for Moult, admittedly coming to the end of his contract. There's the difference right there. They pay fortunes for diddies and the money just goes round and round.

[fine-n-dandy]

The bigger deal most likely just means bigger bonuses for all the wasters in suits that run our game like Doncaster etc.

 

Arse cheeks, all the rest of their suits, & all the SPFL & SFA suits get their share, the the rest (like ourselves) are left to squabble over the pittance that they leave us.

[SheepieBaaBaa]

2. Do Sky promote the EFL as being the 'Greatest League in or on the World'?

 

I mean the TV deal you have referenced here has nothing to do with the deal the EPL gets.

 

3.At the end of the day the Championship in England has huge clubs in it and has continuously since its inception, it has been through numerous iterations as the EPL has, it is those clubs with their fan bases that drive the value they get. 

Aston Villa v Birmingham will have gotten a bigger rating for Sky at the weekend than an SPL game will.

 

4. People keep moaning about TV deals but its based on people watching and I would guess Scottish games rate lower in the main, than Championship games do, its mainly population theory but also the state of the game in this country. 

 

1. Thank you for correcting my typo.  Your didactic precision helps us all learn.

 

2. Yes, this was quite literally one of their marketing campaigns a few years ago and is often stated by Sky pundits.

 

3. On the subject of being didactic/pedantic. At the end of the day, it gets dark, not really sure that the proximity to midnight has to do with anything. 

It is defeatist to say that the EPL is full of "Big clubs".  The likes of Wolves, Sheffield Wednesday, Norwich, Derby would not have stood a chance against top flight Scottish clubs for the majority of football history,

the influx of TV money has undoubtedly changed this. 

Fan bases are no longer dictated by proximity to the home ground, and had Scottish football in the 90s not been fucked by incompetence, there would be huge fan bases, at least for the top flight. 

TV deals are about a TV audience and an international audience that extends well beyond the club fan base.  I'll leave it there.

 

3. Yes, I am aware that the 2nd deal referenced has nothing to do with the EPL, this is why I appended it as an additional comment, prefixed by "overall" to identify it as a overarching and additional point.

I was simply noting that it irritates me. 

It does however have some relevance in that Championship clubs are often willing to run at a loss to pay wages in order to gain promotion to the lucrative Premiership, which is related to the OP.

 

4. The state of the game in this country is, in part, due to being screwed by Sky.

Again, not going to go into detail but there is a lot of information on how whispered conversations and shady dealings allowed Sky to screw us. 

At a time when English teams were banned from Europe and the leagues had players of similar quality, Sky had a falling out with the Scottish establishment and soon after, the decision was made to plow money into the Premiership and promote it as a league above all others.  Again, most of this is fairly well documented and discussed elsewhere.

 

In summary, to be absolutely honest, your post seems to be more about having a bit of a go at me for no reason and asserting your view as somehow inherently superior and beyond contestation.

 

TV and merchandising is where Premiership clubs now get the majority of their revenue. 

EPL clubs in the championship are more reliant on gate receipts/matchday revenues, but the mismatch between Championship and SPFL is disproportionate but the new deal appears to redress that, at least somewhat.

[DD1903]

Ernie walker and Jim farry knocked back sky when it wanted to fire money in to football in the UK, stating TV would ruin football. Now they had a point, but from then on we've been playing catch up as the EPL clubs jumped at the cash..:

[NEM]

Aye aren't Bolton like 170M in debt or something?

 

 

They were - think their chairman wrote most of it off recently (most of the debt was to him).

 

Absolutely ridiculous state to get in for a club that's no bigger than us

[boboisared]

I don't think it will realistically change the dynamic that much.

 

Clubs down south will still be able to outbid us for players. And clubs down there are far more likely to attract major outside investment / rich owners chasing the "dream" of the Premier League promise land.

Clubs in English League One and below aren't spending ridiculous amounts on their squad. It's offering a decent wedge to a couple of players up here because they cannot compete with the Championship clubs etc for foreign or English players.

 

You can't discount the fact it probably gets boring playing the same teams 4 times, plus any extra cup games.

[StandFree1982]

They were - think their chairman wrote most of it off recently (most of the debt was to him).

 

Absolutely ridiculous state to get in for a club that's no bigger than us

No bigger? Bolton are a nothing club. 

[mcdougall(4)]

Ernie walker and Jim farry knocked back sky when it wanted to fire money in to football in the UK, stating TV would ruin football. Now they had a point, but from then on we've been playing catch up as the EPL clubs jumped at the cash..:

Did we not take the satellite TV cash first BSB the squarial lot late 80s maybe 90 before sky bought the newly formed premier league rights.

 

Them merging with sky put us out of the game really.

[SheepieBaaBaa]

Did we not take the satellite TV cash first BSB the squarial lot late 80s maybe 90 before sky bought the newly formed premier league rights.

Them merging with sky put us out of the game really.

As I recall they knocked back Sky and put together a package where the league would have their own broadcaster.

 

Sky were (allegedly) leaked the details which allowed them to scupper said project and then went balls deep in the Premiership while offering derisory deal to the Scottish League, which was unfortunately the only real on the table.

 

The EPL has always had more cash, but that is when the gap really opened up.

 

It's debatable who was at fault, but the timing and reasons are pretty apparent.

[mcdougall(4)]

As I recall they knocked back Sky and put together a package where the league would have their own broadcaster.

 

Sky were (allegedly) leaked the details which allowed them to scupper said project and then went balls deep in the Premiership while offering derisory deal to the Scottish League, which was unfortunately the only real on the table.

 

The EPL has always had more cash, but that is when the gap really opened up.

 

It's debatable who was at fault, but the timing and reasons are pretty apparent.

 

You said earlier 

 

 

your post seems to be more about having a bit of a go at me for no reason and asserting your view as somehow inherently superior and beyond contestation.

 

 

So rather than get involved in a tit for tat situation.

Do some research.

[fine-n-dandy]

TV deal cash should be EVENLY split between all teams in the league.

 

Take £10m or however much it costs to go towards VAR & split the other £50m a year equally between the clubs.

 

Sponsorship etc. is what pays for league prize money. TV money should have fk all to do with where you finish in the league, or which arse cheek you sit on.

[CityCentre]

TV deal cash should be EVENLY split between all teams in the league.

 

Take £10m or however much it costs to go towards VAR & split the other £50m a year equally between the clubs.

 

Sponsorship etc. is what pays for league prize money. TV money should have fk all to do with where you finish in the league, or which arse cheek you sit on.

 

Isn't it £32m a year?

[fine-n-dandy]

Isn't it £32m a year?

No idea tbh. I just read that it was £160m over 3 years.

Could be a completely made up figure/timescale.

[RUL]

It's a 5 year deal I think.

[SheepieBaaBaa]

1. You said earlier 

 

 

So rather than get involved in a 2. tit for tat situation.

3.Do some research.

 

1. Actually I didn't, but even so, clarification and re-iteration is not unusual.

 

2. Statements like this often give the appearance of "taking the higher ground" but are often a sign that a person realises they should wind their neck in, but don't have the strength of character to do so.  I must be the Tat, since you are being the Tit.

 

3. Which particular areas do you feel require research? 

None of your response relates to factual content, but rather to a misconception that I was conflating the EPL and the EFL......which to anyone literate, it is clear that I wasn't.  

 

The mad fool that I am, inviting discussion, we should just make this a lecture site for certain posters to dispense opinions masquerading as facts.

[SheepieBaaBaa]

No idea tbh. I just read that it was £160m over 3 years.

Could be a completely made up figure/timescale.

 

Yep, 5 year deal, 32million a year.  EFL 5 year deal also... all according to the BBC mind you.

[mcdougall(4)]

1. Actually I didn't, but even so, clarification and re-iteration is not unusual.

 

2. Statements like this often give the appearance of "taking the higher ground" but are often a sign that a person realises they should wind their neck in, but don't have the strength of character to do so.  I must be the Tat, since you are being the Tit.

 

3. Which particular areas do you feel require research? 

None of your response relates to factual content, but rather to a misconception that I was conflating the EPL and the EFL......which to anyone literate, it is clear that I wasn't.  

 

The mad fool that I am, inviting discussion, we should just make this a lecture site for certain posters to dispense opinions masquerading as facts.

 

See you haven't bothered to read what you were replying you.

The research would be into the fact that in the time period referenced in my post, The EPL (in whatever iteration) did not exist, English First Division live games were on ITV,  (Sky didn't even have a sports channel, it had coverage of the English League cup I think and showed it on the Sky One equivalent (if not called Sky One) with Andy Gray doing co-comms whilst still being Assistant Manager to Big Ron at Aston Villa and we in Scotland were in no, way, shape or form looking to establish our own channel.

 

So you recalling things happening a decade or more after that is remarkable, now I was trying to take the higher ground because you know you might just be educationally sub normal and therefore it would be cruel to pick on you for being unable to read or comprehend the words being used, but since you are trying to be a smart arse and failing I might add.

 

I'll let you go do some reading, 

 

[SheepieBaaBaa]

See you haven't bothered to read what you were replying you.

The research would be into the fact that in the time period referenced in my post, The EPL (in whatever iteration) did not exist, English First Division live games were on ITV, (Sky didn't even have a sports channel, it had coverage of the English League cup I think and showed it on the Sky One equivalent (if not called Sky One) with Andy Gray doing co-comms whilst still being Assistant Manager to Big Ron at Aston Villa and we in Scotland were in no, way, shape or form looking to establish our own channel.

 

So you recalling things happening a decade or more after that is remarkable, now I was trying to take the higher ground because you know you might just be educationally sub normal and therefore it would be cruel to pick on you for being unable to read or comprehend the words being used, but since you are trying to be a smart arse and failing I might add.

 

I'll let you go do some reading,

o

Pedantry about terminology, the sign of a true cunt.

The point was about the gap between English and Scottish football finances. The names of the league's at various points in time and the details of the underlying beaurocracy are irrelevant.

 

You are a bit insecure I think so I wont lower your self esteem any further. (I missed an apostrophe there by the way, I assume you would contend that invalidates the whole post....pedant)

[SheepieBaaBaa]

See you haven't bothered to read what you were replying you.

The research would be into the fact that in the time period referenced in my post, The EPL (in whatever iteration) did not exist, English First Division live games were on ITV, (Sky didn't even have a sports channel, it had coverage of the English League cup I think and showed it on the Sky One equivalent (if not called Sky One) with Andy Gray doing co-comms whilst still being Assistant Manager to Big Ron at Aston Villa and we in Scotland were in no, way, shape or form looking to establish our own channel.

 

So you recalling things happening a decade or more after that is remarkable, now I was trying to take the higher ground because you know you might just be educationally sub normal and therefore it would be cruel to pick on you for being unable to read or comprehend the words being used, but since you are trying to be a smart arse and failing I might add.

 

I'll let you go do some reading,

 

Regarding establishment of our own TV channel, I took that from the TV documentary "Scotland's Game"....if you have issues with "research" on that, please contact the broadcaster' s research department. I suspect they are a lot better informed than you.

[fine-n-dandy]

Yep, 5 year deal, 32million a year.  EFL 5 year deal also... all according to the BBC mind you.

So not really that great a deal.

£32m a year. The bulk of which will be headed to the west coast mafia & we are stuck with Sky shite for FIVE years.