Who Does Mcinnes Answer To?

[CityCentre]

I think there is a growing concern among a lot of fans that our recruitment process is out of date and our recruitment team is out of their depth.

 

My concern is that no one at the club seems to have the backbone or the knowledge to call the management team to account and question their recruitment philosophy or signings.

 

The disastrous recruitment of an experienced central midfielder should have been enough for the club to conclude that a re-think was required (Tansey, Forrester & Gleeson), not to mention the rest

 

Who in the club does McInnes answer to for these wasted wages and signing fees?

 

Chairman - Stewart Milne - A total sycophant who is quite frankly an embarrassment, absolutely no chance he questions McIness

 

Executive Directer - Dave Cormack - A positive influence but resides in America most of the time so not here enough to be involved in the day-to-day recruitment operations

 

Chief Executive - Duncan Fraser - A non-entity for most of his time at the club, a bit more prominent now, but comes from the energy industry and probably doesn't have the knowledge or background

 

 

I think it's time we looked at bringing in a Technical Director or Director of Football ,whatever you wish to call it, who McInnes is answerable to and who also has a direct input into player recruitment and scouting.

[aberdeen1970]

We had a director of football in Willie Miller and that didn't stop Mark McGhee buying the biggest pile of shite ever.

 

I'd rather we spent a director of football wage on the team.

 

Although I'd agree that a little imagination in signings would be welcomed.

[BWG]

So today I was reading this blog

 

http://www.unmodernman.net/brave-new-world/

 

Now if it's to be believed, then it confirms that our recruitment process is absolutely dogshit and amounts to McInnes, Docherty and Russ Richardson trawling Wyscout and little else.  That is nowhere near good enough for a club of our size and, allegedly, ambition.  For those who don't know what Wyscout is, it's a website with statistics and videos of players which can be used to assist in the process of scouting a player.  Assist being the operative word, as in it should be one of many tools used to identify potential players, not the only one.

 

So taking the blog at face value, yes it would seem our entire recruitment process is little better than amateur and the board of directors need to be held accountable for letting that happen.

 

McInnes is ultimately answerable to the board, but it's pretty clear nobody on the board is willing to really question him.  This season should have seen some serious questions raised over his position at this club.  He assembled a truly horrendous team, wasted relatively large amounts of money in the process and finished behind fucking Kilmarnock.  That should never, ever, be rewarded with a 4 year contract extension and possible pay rise on top of what is already a large salary.

 

But hey maybe that's just bed wetting.  Maybe in a few months we'll all be praising him for a terrific summer as we watch Ash Taylor blootering the ball up to big Curtis to smash in the goals.  Time will tell.

[For Fecks Sake]

Lads, let's be honest everything surrounding this summer signings is pure speculation, gossip, rumour and most probably pish.

 

Let's wait until signings are announced before pishing the bed.

[boboisared]

So today I was reading this blog

 

http://www.unmodernman.net/brave-new-world/

 

Now if it's to be believed, then it confirms that our recruitment process is absolutely dogshit and amounts to McInnes, Docherty and Russ Richardson trawling Wyscout and little else.  That is nowhere near good enough for a club of our size and, allegedly, ambition.  For those who don't know what Wyscout is, it's a website with statistics and videos of players which can be used to assist in the process of scouting a player.  Assist being the operative word, as in it should be one of many tools used to identify potential players, not the only one.

 

So taking the blog at face value, yes it would seem our entire recruitment process is little better than amateur and the board of directors need to be held accountable for letting that happen.

 

McInnes is ultimately answerable to the board, but it's pretty clear nobody on the board is willing to really question him.  This season should have seen some serious questions raised over his position at this club.  He assembled a truly horrendous team, wasted relatively large amounts of money in the process and finished behind fucking Kilmarnock.  That should never, ever, be rewarded with a 4 year contract extension and possible pay rise on top of what is already a large salary.

 

But hey maybe that's just bed wetting.  Maybe in a few months we'll all be praising him for a terrific summer as we watch Ash Taylor blootering the ball up to big Curtis to smash in the goals.  Time will tell.

From reading that guys twitter in the past, I wouldn't take any blog he writes seriously.

[Dom Sullivan]

Lads, let's be honest everything surrounding this summer signings is pure speculation, gossip, rumour and most probably pish.

Let's wait until signings are announced before pishing the bed.

Oh, for feck's sake, For Fecks Sake, Min enough of your coming on here and being sensible - just ridiculous.

 

Gie yersel a shak

[The Oxford Don]

From reading that guys twitter in the past, I wouldn't take any blog he writes seriously.

 

That's interesting... for those of us not on twitter can you elaborate? Genuine question, as that blog post seems pretty reasonable and well written to me. 

[For Fecks Sake]

Oh, for feck's sake, For Fecks Sake, Min enough of your coming on here and being sensible - just ridiculous.

 

Gie yersel a shak

Sorry DM, completely forgot where I was for a period there.

 

So, any truth in the rumour Kirk Broadfoot has been spotted in Greggs on Union Street as well as in Westhill looking at houses

[boboisared]

That's interesting... for those of us not on twitter can you elaborate? Genuine question, as that blog post seems pretty reasonable and well written to me. 

Well, even from reading that blog you can see the guys agenda for all to see. Milne bad. McInnes bad. Cormack good.

 

You can drive a bus through some of the nonsense in that blog.

 

McGinns legs were clearly going before he left? First time I've ever heard that mentioned. McGinns stats from that season don't seem too different from what came before or after. He's avery good player who is inconsistent.

 

A rigid wage structure is bad? Ok, let's sign a marquee player on a daft wage. There is no guarantee that marquee player is going to deliver and suddenly every member of our team has a higher expectation of what he is worth.

 

Gives credit to Fraser, Cormack and Wicks for the club becoming debt free and remaining there (i.e not Milne). As far as I can see, Cormack joined the board in 2017. Willie and Elaine Donald cleared the debt in 2014.

 

McInnes track record with signings is poor, apparently. If we are to believe this guys twitter he's not a great tactician either. Why do we (until this year) consistently finish ahead of every team bar Celtic? It can't be the budget, we struggled before. We can't say it was the squad he inherited, we struggled before.

 

EDIT: Link to his twitter account if you are interest https://twitter.com/stonefish100

[Big Hat Logan]

So today I was reading this blog

 

http://www.unmodernman.net/brave-new-world/

 

Now if it's to be believed, then it confirms that our recruitment process is absolutely dogshit and amounts to McInnes, Docherty and Russ Richardson trawling Wyscout and little else. That is nowhere near good enough for a club of our size and, allegedly, ambition. For those who don't know what Wyscout is, it's a website with statistics and videos of players which can be used to assist in the process of scouting a player. Assist being the operative word, as in it should be one of many tools used to identify potential players, not the only one.

 

So taking the blog at face value, yes it would seem our entire recruitment process is little better than amateur and the board of directors need to be held accountable for letting that happen.

 

McInnes is ultimately answerable to the board, but it's pretty clear nobody on the board is willing to really question him. This season should have seen some serious questions raised over his position at this club. He assembled a truly horrendous team, wasted relatively large amounts of money in the process and finished behind fucking Kilmarnock. That should never, ever, be rewarded with a 4 year contract extension and possible pay rise on top of what is already a large salary.

 

But hey maybe that's just bed wetting. Maybe in a few months we'll all be praising him for a terrific summer as we watch Ash Taylor blootering the ball up to big Curtis to smash in the goals. Time will tell.

Whatever you say, tiny tears

[Henry]

From reading that guys twitter in the past, I wouldn't take any blog he writes seriously.

AFChat alumni

[boboisared]

AFChat alumni

Aye.

[aberdeen1970]

Well, even from reading that blog you can see the guys agenda for all to see. Milne bad. McInnes bad. Cormack good.

 

You can drive a bus through some of the nonsense in that blog.

 

McGinns legs were clearly going before he left? First time I've ever heard that mentioned. McGinns stats from that season don't seem too different from what came before or after. He's avery good player who is inconsistent.

 

A rigid wage structure is bad? Ok, let's sign a marquee player on a daft wage. There is no guarantee that marquee player is going to deliver and suddenly every member of our team has a higher expectation of what he is worth.

 

Gives credit to Fraser, Cormack and Wicks for the club becoming debt free and remaining there (i.e not Milne). As far as I can see, Cormack joined the board in 2017. Willie and Elaine Donald cleared the debt in 2014.

 

McInnes track record with signings is poor, apparently. If we are to believe this guys twitter he's not a great tactician either. Why do we (until this year) consistently finish ahead of every team bar Celtic? It can't be the budget, we struggled before. We can't say it was the squad he inherited, we struggled before.

 

EDIT: Link to his twitter account if you are interest https://twitter.com/stonefish100

Is it Consi? Says he lives in Dundee.

[boboisared]

Is it Consi? Says he lives in Dundee.

Hahaha no. He posted on here as stonefish100, same as his twitter handle.

[aberdeen1970]

I knew it couldn't be Arabian Knight as it was in English.

[aberdeen1970]

It's pish though. Some whinging and lots of retweets. Lacks a sense of humour

[BWG]

Whatever you say, tiny tears

BHL in being arbitrarily confrontational shocker.

 

Lets skip the bit where you have a meltdown and cut straight to where you disappear for a while again after getting another cunting, shall we?

[RUL]

Well, even from reading that blog you can see the guys agenda for all to see. Milne bad. McInnes bad. Cormack good.

 

You can drive a bus through some of the nonsense in that blog.

 

McGinns legs were clearly going before he left? First time I've ever heard that mentioned. McGinns stats from that season don't seem too different from what came before or after. He's avery good player who is inconsistent.

 

A rigid wage structure is bad? Ok, let's sign a marquee player on a daft wage. There is no guarantee that marquee player is going to deliver and suddenly every member of our team has a higher expectation of what he is worth.

 

Gives credit to Fraser, Cormack and Wicks for the club becoming debt free and remaining there (i.e not Milne). As far as I can see, Cormack joined the board in 2017. Willie and Elaine Donald cleared the debt in 2014.

 

McInnes track record with signings is poor, apparently. If we are to believe this guys twitter he's not a great tactician either. Why do we (until this year) consistently finish ahead of every team bar Celtic? It can't be the budget, we struggled before. We can't say it was the squad he inherited, we struggled before.

 

EDIT: Link to his twitter account if you are interest https://twitter.com/stonefish100

 

There's no way that his scouting comments are correct, we have scouts at youth football in Edinburgh/Glasgow/Ireland but we have no scouting network to speak of at senior football other than one guy and a scouting app?

 

McInnes will have lots of contacts within the game that he will use and the club has a good handle on UK/Ireland. We are operating on a limited budget so we have taken gambles that unfortunately have not worked. I am sure McInnes talked about extending the scouting to Europe also.

[RUL]

Whatever you say, tiny tears

 

What a strange response to someone actually capable of engaging his brain.

[CityCentre]

Lads, let's be honest everything surrounding this summer signings is pure speculation, gossip, rumour and most probably pish.

 

Let's wait until signings are announced before pishing the bed.

 

My point was regarding past signings, I never once mentioned any rumours or gossip.

[boboisared]

There's no way that his scouting comments are correct, we have scouts at youth football in Edinburgh/Glasgow/Ireland but we have no scouting network to speak of at senior football other than one guy and a scouting app?

 

McInnes will have lots of contacts within the game that he will use and the club has a good handle on UK/Ireland. We are operating on a limited budget so we have taken gambles that unfortunately have not worked. I am sure McInnes talked about extending the scouting to Europe also.

The scouting stuff in regards to the app is no real shock either. @@minijc posted about us using that a couple of years ago.

 

It reads like the guy has decided McInnes is happy to go forward with the current scouting 'team' when I'd be certain it's one of many things he'd like to improve.

[aberdeen1970]

Cormack was just in the paper saying how impressed he was with the latest scouting developments.

 

Canna see him being bowled over by an app and a photo of Russ

[maryhilldon]

BHL in being arbitrarily confrontational shocker.

 

Lets skip the bit where you have a meltdown and cut straight to where you disappear for a while again after getting another cunting, shall we?

 

[The Hulk]

I think it's time we looked at bringing in a Technical Director or Director of Football ,whatever you wish to call it, who McInnes is answerable to and who also has a direct input into player recruitment and scouting.

 

I think there's a chronic failure on the part of many fans to understand just how much work goes on behind the scenes in the football operation at the club.  There is no need for a technical director. Derek McInnes effectively is the technical director.  You and other fans may disagree with the recruitment policy, and yes, Curtis Main and Ash Taylor don't quite give me a warm fuzzy feeling either, but there is obviously something there that McInnes sees as being technically better than the metrics he sees in the players we have here.  Like it or not, this is the world of top level football in Scotland when the resources are dwarfed by two much larger adversaries.

 

On the Taylor point; the cold hard facts are that this season we have the 2nd highest number of goals conceded at home in the division.  This is with a Scottish international £5m+ valued central defender, and another who was called into a Scotland squad.  It is therefore quite believable that the team's defensive stats were better with Taylor in the team, than they were last season, and possibly also the season before as well.  We can say what we like about Taylor's ability to make mistakes etc, but the art of defending is about more than just what the paying punters see.  I for example think McKenna is a good defender, but there is little value in holding on to a £5m rated defender in this league unless they push you to the title.  The defensive performance (poor) of the team this season proves that.

 

Regarding the point in the blog post about McGinn in particular; McGinn is a player on a downward trajectory, yes. But his stats are still better than (1) the players at the club that he was/is in direct competition with for a place in the team and (2) the attainable players that were identified to come into the club to replace him.

[NEM]

BHL in being arbitrarily confrontational shocker.

 

Lets skip the bit where you have a meltdown and cut straight to where you disappear for a while again after getting another cunting, shall we?

 

 

 

[boboisared]

I think there's a chronic failure on the part of many fans to understand just how much work goes on behind the scenes in the football operation at the club.  There is no need for a technical director. Derek McInnes effectively is the technical director.  You and other fans may disagree with the recruitment policy, and yes, Curtis Main and Ash Taylor don't quite give me a warm fuzzy feeling either, but there is obviously something there that McInnes sees as being technically better than the metrics he sees in the players we have here.  Like it or not, this is the world of top level football in Scotland when the resources are dwarfed by two much larger adversaries.

 

On the Taylor point; the cold hard facts are that this season we have the 2nd highest number of goals conceded at home in the division.  This is with a Scottish international £5m+ valued central defender, and another who was called into a Scotland squad.  It is therefore quite believable that the team's defensive stats were better with Taylor in the team, than they were last season, and possibly also the season before as well.  We can say what we like about Taylor's ability to make mistakes etc, but the art of defending is about more than just what the paying punters see.  I for example think McKenna is a good defender, but there is little value in holding on to a £5m rated defender in this league unless they push you to the title.  The defensive performance (poor) of the team this season proves that.

 

Regarding the point in the blog post about McGinn in particular; McGinn is a player on a downward trajectory, yes. But his stats are still better than (1) the players at the club that he was/is in direct competition with for a place in the team and (2) the attainable players that were identified to come into the club to replace him.

Good post min.

[Hewitt a the pies]

I think there's a chronic failure on the part of many fans to understand just how much work goes on behind the scenes in the football operation at the club.  There is no need for a technical director. Derek McInnes effectively is the technical director.  You and other fans may disagree with the recruitment policy, and yes, Curtis Main and Ash Taylor don't quite give me a warm fuzzy feeling either, but there is obviously something there that McInnes sees as being technically better than the metrics he sees in the players we have here.  Like it or not, this is the world of top level football in Scotland when the resources are dwarfed by two much larger adversaries.

 

On the Taylor point; the cold hard facts are that this season we have the 2nd highest number of goals conceded at home in the division.  This is with a Scottish international £5m+ valued central defender, and another who was called into a Scotland squad.  It is therefore quite believable that the team's defensive stats were better with Taylor in the team, than they were last season, and possibly also the season before as well.  We can say what we like about Taylor's ability to make mistakes etc, but the art of defending is about more than just what the paying punters see.  I for example think McKenna is a good defender, but there is little value in holding on to a £5m rated defender in this league unless they push you to the title.  The defensive performance (poor) of the team this season proves that.

 

Regarding the point in the blog post about McGinn in particular; McGinn is a player on a downward trajectory, yes. But his stats are still better than (1) the players at the club that he was/is in direct competition with for a place in the team and (2) the attainable players that were identified to come into the club to replace him.

Well said.

[dazzy_deff]

The scouting stuff in regards to the app is no real shock either. @@minijc posted about us using that a couple of years ago.

 

It reads like the guy has decided McInnes is happy to go forward with the current scouting 'team' when I'd be certain it's one of many things he'd like to improve.

Can back up the use of the app/software. Mate of mine up until recently was working an internship at pittodrie (essentially unpaid labour) doing analysis and stats. First day in the job he was handed a copy of football manager for the stats (no word of a lie) and they used this other software tool frequently. He'd scrawl through 1000's of players playing in all the European leagues checking out stats and video montages etc.

 

He's not from Aberdeen but did it to try and get a break in the game - I was embarrassed we didn't pay him.

[Dom Sullivan]

I think there's a chronic failure on the part of many fans to understand just how much work goes on behind the scenes in the football operation at the club.  There is no need for a technical director. Derek McInnes effectively is the technical director.  You and other fans may disagree with the recruitment policy, and yes, Curtis Main and Ash Taylor don't quite give me a warm fuzzy feeling either, but there is obviously something there that McInnes sees as being technically better than the metrics he sees in the players we have here.  Like it or not, this is the world of top level football in Scotland when the resources are dwarfed by two much larger adversaries.

 

On the Taylor point; the cold hard facts are that this season we have the 2nd highest number of goals conceded at home in the division.  This is with a Scottish international £5m+ valued central defender, and another who was called into a Scotland squad.  It is therefore quite believable that the team's defensive stats were better with Taylor in the team, than they were last season, and possibly also the season before as well.  We can say what we like about Taylor's ability to make mistakes etc, but the art of defending is about more than just what the paying punters see.  I for example think McKenna is a good defender, but there is little value in holding on to a £5m rated defender in this league unless they push you to the title.  The defensive performance (poor) of the team this season proves that.

 

Regarding the point in the blog post about McGinn in particular; McGinn is a player on a downward trajectory, yes. But his stats are still better than (1) the players at the club that he was/is in direct competition with for a place in the team and (2) the attainable players that were identified to come into the club to replace him.

Good post that.

[boboisared]

Can back up the use of the app/software. Mate of mine up until recently was working an internship at pittodrie (essentially unpaid labour) doing analysis and stats. First day in the job he was handed a copy of football manager for the stats (no word of a lie) and they used this other software tool frequently. He'd scrawl through 1000's of players playing in all the European leagues checking out stats and video montages etc.

 

He's not from Aberdeen but did it to try and get a break in the game - I was embarrassed we didn't pay him.

Is the thinking of using football manager not along the lines of the games research being provided by fans?

 

Not saying it's a good method to use...but can see the logic behind it.