boboisared Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Hopefully,We've landed "lucky" with how quickly McKenna and Ferguson have developed when signings have not panned out as expected.I'd argue Gleeson didn't pan out as expected because of Ferguson. Link to comment
DelMonte Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 So now the development of Ferguson and McKenna is lucky Ferguson was brilliant in his first games for us. It was a great piece of business from the club. Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I'd argue Gleeson didn't pan out as expected because of Ferguson. So if we played him week in week out he'd have performed at an English Championship/International level? Gleeson started slow granted but I doubt he would have ever got up to the expected level. Thank fuck for Ferguson as the two midfield signings were absolutely terrible. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 So now the development of Ferguson and McKenna is lucky Ferguson was brilliant in his first games for us. It was a great piece of business from the club.It's total nonsense. If a player does badly its the fault of McInnes If a player does well its lucky. Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 So now the development of Ferguson and McKenna is lucky Ferguson was brilliant in his first games for us. It was a great piece of business from the club. No, we were lucky in the sense that they stepped in and performed better and sooner than expected.as Forrester and Gleeson were duds and Devlin and Hoban got injured. Link to comment
boboisared Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 So if we played him week in week out he'd have performed at an English Championship/International level? Gleeson started slow granted but I doubt he would have ever got up to the expected level. Thank fuck for Ferguson as the two midfield signings were absolutely terrible.He didn't get a chance to. Ferguson was brilliant and Gleeson couldn't get game time in the shambles of a reserve league. Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 He didn't get a chance to. Ferguson was brilliant and Gleeson couldn't get game time in the shambles of a reserve league. So Gleeson just needs games and he'll be at the level expected? Midfield sorted then OR more likely he'll be punted. Link to comment
boboisared Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 So Gleeson just needs games and he'll be at the level expected? Midfield sorted then OR more likely he'll be punted.Not what I said at all. You've created a straw man though, well done. Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Not what I said at all. You've created a straw man though, well done. You said Gleeson didn't get to the expected levels because of Ferguson as he couldn't get game time ahead of him.Therefore you think all Gleeson needs is game time (opportunity this season coming with no silly reserve league).I think Gleeson is a flop and will be punted. No big deal, we'll find out in time who was correct. Link to comment
DelMonte Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 No, we were lucky in the sense that they stepped in and performed better and sooner than expected.as Forrester and Gleeson were duds and Devlin and Hoban got injured.McInnes played Ferguson instantly. It's not luck. Link to comment
boboisared Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 You said Gleeson didn't get to the expected levels because of Ferguson as he couldn't get game time ahead of him.Therefore you think all Gleeson needs is game time (opportunity this season coming with no silly reserve league).I think Gleeson is a flop and will be punted. No big deal, we'll find out in time who was correct. No, not what I said at all. As I said, you've created a straw man. Link to comment
dazzy_deff Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 McInnes played Ferguson instantly. It's not luck.From what I remember gleeson got injured during pre season and Ferguson started the friendlies and impressed everyone. Took everyone by surprise how quickly he settled. Link to comment
maryhilldon Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Hopefully,We've landed "lucky" with how quickly McKenna and Ferguson have developed when signings have not panned out as expected.How is it lucky? You could say that about any club that promotes a good youngster. Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Since you girls seem to have a problem with the word "lucky" I've changed it to "fortunate". No, we were lucky fortunate in the sense that they stepped in and performed better and sooner than expected.as Forrester and Gleeson were duds and Devlin and Hoban got injured. Hope this helps. Xx. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Since you girls seem to have a problem with the word "lucky" I've changed it to "fortunate". Fortunate doesn't work for me either. Ferguson was scouted by the club and brought in. He made an immediate impact on the very first game. After which he went on to have a very good season for which he was rewarded with a new longer contract therefore keeping him for longer and maximising any fee in the event he is sold mid contract. That's good scouting and management. Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Since you girls seem to have a problem with the word "lucky" I've changed it to "fortunate". Fortunate doesn't work for me either. Ferguson was scouted by the club and brought in. He made an immediate impact on the very first game. After which he went on to have a very good season for which he was rewarded with a new longer contract therefore keeping him for longer and maximising any fee in the event he is sold mid contract. That's good scouting and management. Ferguson made an impact sooner than expected. That was a stroke of luck fortunate.Scouting him initially was excellent work and its great that he's now on a new long term contract. Does that work for you? Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Ferguson made an impact sooner than expected. That was a stroke of luck fortunate.Scouting him initially was excellent work and its great that he's now on a new long term contract. Does that work for you?Not really but don't feel you have to please me. I'm happy for us to see it differently Link to comment
Big Hat Logan Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Ferguson made an impact sooner than expected. That was a stroke of luck fortunate.Scouting him initially was excellent work and its great that he's now on a new long term contract. Does that work for you?Another one incapable of just giving the club the praise it deserves. Must really stick in your craw that Ferguson is the product of good scouting and management. Link to comment
PHDDon Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 I don't think the way Ferguson slotted into the first team was a stroke of luck. The club would have had a very good idea of what the final fee would have been and to put it simply we're not in the position financially to be spunking a couple hundred grand on one for the future that will only be making sporadic appearances from the bench, when we spend that kind of fee these days its for a first team player 1 Link to comment
North_Andy_Dandy Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Any further word on Gleeson then? McInnes didn’t seem to think he was leaving in his interview the other day. Link to comment
GDON21 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Any further word on Gleeson then? McInnes didn’t seem to think he was leaving in his interview the other day. I think he's injured. Link to comment
Tord31 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Already? That's a good effort if so. Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 McInnes can't win. Signs someone who on paper looks decent and it doesn't work out - Sackable Offence.Brings through / signs a few good young players who turn out good - Lucky. Every manager has got a similar ratio of good to shite signings. 1 2 Link to comment
Guest Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 McInnes can't win. Signs someone who on paper looks decent and it doesn't work out - Sackable Offence.Brings through / signs a few good young players who turn out good - Lucky. Every manager has got a similar ratio of good to shite signings.I think it's the 600k on May/Forrester that pisses people off. Also lots of DNA being used to subsidise Wilson. On paper, near 1,000,000 pounds poorly spent. Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I think it's the 600k on May/Forrester that pisses people off. Also lots of DNA being used to subsidise Wilson. On paper, near 1,000,000 pounds poorly spent.&/or RE-signing proven shite players such as Ash Taylor 1 Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I think it's the 600k on May/Forrester that pisses people off. Also lots of DNA being used to subsidise Wilson. On paper, near 1,000,000 pounds poorly spent. That's exactly what i'm talking about. You've got a player like May who the fans were dying for us to sign. We signed him expecting him to be a similar player to what he was when he left, but turns out he wasn't. I'm more pissed off at May than McInnes. Forrester looked alright on paper, but nobody could have forseen what was going to happen. I'm more worried about signing a player like Curtis Main than spunking cash on May. Link to comment
Guest milne_afc Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Plenty of scepticism over May and the Irish junkie before they signed. Main will be better than both. Link to comment
Guest Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 That's exactly what i'm talking about. You've got a player like May who the fans were dying for us to sign. We signed him expecting him to be a similar player to what he was when he left, but turns out he wasn't. I'm more pissed off at May than McInnes. Forrester looked alright on paper, but nobody could have forseen what was going to happen. I'm more worried about signing a player like Curtis Main than spunking cash on May.But again it's not the fans job to scout players. None of us are ex pros or have any coaching badges, and everyone accepts our opinions shouldn't be held to the same standard as people with years of experience in the game. Fact is, both Forrester and May are big money signings for Aberdeen and both have went horribly wrong. Managers live and die by their signings but I'd say neither player has or did improve us. Main is a no risk as he's a free and won't command a big wage. At worst he'll hardly play and at best he'll be a handful. DMc obv has made some good signings but when trusted with money to spend its been pretty brutal. Link to comment
Frank Grimes Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Will never quite understand the annual hardon over the squad numbers being released Link to comment
boboisared Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 But again it's not the fans job to scout players. None of us are ex pros or have any coaching badges, and everyone accepts our opinions shouldn't be held to the same standard as people with years of experience in the game. Fact is, both Forrester and May are big money signings for Aberdeen and both have went horribly wrong. Managers live and die by their signings but I'd say neither player has or did improve us. Main is a no risk as he's a free and won't command a big wage. At worst he'll hardly play and at best he'll be a handful. DMc obv has made some good signings but when trusted with money to spend its been pretty brutal.Aye, McLean and Ferguson were brutal signings. Link to comment
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