Scottish Referees

[Guest]

How bad was Willie Column the other night, in what appears to be a par performance for our refs?

Although it would have been a softish penalty for McGregor's challenge on Hayes it would most definitely have been given, if the other way round at Parkhead.

Turnbull should have been given a straight red which, if it had been a Dons player, would have most certainly happened - no question.

I know we will be lucky to get VAR up here any time soon but could we not, at least, have some sort of system whereby our refs are given an opinion through their earpiece, when a potentially contentious incident takes place, to possibly aid a better percentage of correct decisions.

Then again that might take away the various contentious decisions the arse cheeks have become reliant on when any game isn't going their way.

 

[Fridge]

On the flip side can you imagine if we got a last minute winner at Ibrox, bounce of epic proportions, meanwhile in the studio ex Huns (can you be an ex Hun?) have all sorts of lines and freeze frames covering action from the last five minutes to find a reason for the referee to chop it off.

[shooftahmooftah]

Column  should be investigated by M I 5.    How he gets off with letting the likes of Celtic and Rangers off with blatant send off decisions needs investigating.  

[Fridge]

I find it really sad and bizarre that you defend absolutely anything negative said against the Huns on an Aberdeen forum.

[StandFree1982]

1 hour ago, Woody21 said:

How bad was Willie Column the other night, in what appears to be a par performance for our refs?

Although it would have been a softish penalty for McGregor's challenge on Hayes it would most definitely have been given, if the other way round at Parkhead.

Turnbull should have been given a straight red which, if it had been a Dons player, would have most certainly happened - no question.

I know we will be lucky to get VAR up here any time soon but could we not, at least, have some sort of system whereby our refs are given an opinion through their earpiece, when a potentially contentious incident takes place, to possibly aid a better percentage of correct decisions.

Then again that might take away the various contentious decisions the arse cheeks have become reliant on when any game isn't going their way.

 

He's not even the worst.  they're all absolutely fucking shite. 

Only in Scotland could someone like Andrew Dallas be allowed to referee Rangers. 

[Fridge]

4 minutes ago, Millertime said:

I find it really sad that this is what you take from my comment

You're wrong 

You stick up for them all the time, fuck sake you literally just did on the sharing of gate money on a other thread!

[Fridge]

8 minutes ago, Millertime said:

No I never

I asked would you like to share gate money with Hamilton when they bring 45 fans

YOU thought about it through a "rangers" lense, which is the very point I'm making

Cheers

Maybe you’re right, I do have a hatred for them. I don’t find that sad and make no apology whatsoever about it.

[North_Andy_Dandy]

We need to have professional referees if we at least want to see the standard improving. But the average wage for a premier league ref is about £40,000 a year then the match day fee on top. So you’re talking about £240,000 a season for 6 full time refs but then there’s the linesman etc to think about as well. It’s obviously a cost that the SFA don’t want to pay plus you’ll be having ref’s earning more than some players.

[afc1903mad]

15 minutes ago, North_Andy_Dandy said:

We need to have professional referees if we at least want to see the standard improving. But the average wage for a premier league ref is about £40,000 a year then the match day fee on top. So you’re talking about £240,000 a season for 6 full time refs but then there’s the linesman etc to think about as well. It’s obviously a cost that the SFA don’t want to pay plus you’ll be having ref’s earning more than some players.

It’s a good point about the cost, but that is no excuse.

I have sympathy for referees as it is an extremely tough job and some tough calls need to be made, however there’s no reason why refs cannot be utilised that have honour and integrity and referee with impartiality.

I can accept giving no pen/ foul on Hayes the other night, it looked like he was stumbling before McGregor got in touch with him. There’s absolutely no excuse for the Turnbull decision though.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, North_Andy_Dandy said:

We need to have professional referees if we at least want to see the standard improving. But the average wage for a premier league ref is about £40,000 a year then the match day fee on top. So you’re talking about £240,000 a season for 6 full time refs but then there’s the linesman etc to think about as well. It’s obviously a cost that the SFA don’t want to pay plus you’ll be having ref’s earning more than some players.

Certainly an idea worth considering, just like summer football and the potentially enhanced TV deal that might bring.

In other words if the powers at be would drag themselves into the 21st Century we might, just might, get an improved game that us fans have been bleating about for years.

If the arse cheeks did feck off to a British League that would most certainly be the time for change.

[afc1903mad]

4 minutes ago, Woody21 said:

Certainly an idea worth considering, just like summer football and the potentially enhanced TV deal that might bring.

In other words if the powers at be would drag themselves into the 21st Century we might, just might, get an improved game that us fans have been bleating about for years.

If the arse cheeks did feck off to a British League that would most certainly be the time for change.

If the arse cheeks fecked off to a British league, whilst it would be nice to be rid, it wouldn’t be as biased in a British league so why shouldn’t we join them as well

[WesthillWanderersFC]

Only in Scotland would you get the majority of the referees refereeing teams they grew up supporting.

We are one of the few countries in Europe thst don’t ask referees who they support allegedly.

Only in Scotland would you have a former member of the East Kilbride Rangers Supporters club refereeing SEVCO (Madden).

Steven McLean, known hun, regularly referees them. 
There are other examples. 

Similarly, Collum refereeing the Tims... case in point Wednesday night.

These cheating cunts are accountable to no-one either.

Fuck the SFA. 

[Rubinho Escocia]

There’s a number of things that could be considered ahead of professional refs if the costs are prohibitive for that.

Granted it may be sour grapes but I’ve read articles from aspiring refs across Scotland that say they’re given less opportunities to develop as they come through than Strathclyde based refs. Consequently most of our top refs are from the same area which hurts the game.

Randomly drawing refs rather than allocating refs could also be tried; again it means the same refs from the same area aren’t the ones being developed and avoids the situation where certain games always have the same refs. For those that are bored, look at the 84-85 Italian season when they tried this, and compare the league table to the previous and subsequent years.

Var will ultimately arrive in some form, but only help if the var reviewers don’t have the same issues as the incumbent refs-I think the Hayes incident was a foul and thus a red (in some ways similar to hedges red card vs the rangers this season) but you see people argue these types of incidents both ways. Therefore you could see var inadvertently re-emphasising what we currently have if not implemented correctly. 

Ultimately I don’t think refs are consciously corrupt but they’re human and influenced by their background and how they’re rewarded-Collum won’t be penalised for that game, but if he had sent someone off there would have been appeals, tv and radios moaning about it. There’s a chance he then be moved from the spotlight which would in effect penalise him for making the right call. Make ref selection random and that doesn’t happen anymore.

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, Rubinho Escocia said:

There’s a number of things that could be considered ahead of professional refs if the costs are prohibitive for that.

Granted it may be sour grapes but I’ve read articles from aspiring refs across Scotland that say they’re given less opportunities to develop as they come through than Strathclyde based refs. Consequently most of our top refs are from the same area which hurts the game.

Randomly drawing refs rather than allocating refs could also be tried; again it means the same refs from the same area aren’t the ones being developed and avoids the situation where certain games always have the same refs. For those that are bored, look at the 84-85 Italian season when they tried this, and compare the league table to the previous and subsequent years.

Var will ultimately arrive in some form, but only help if the var reviewers don’t have the same issues as the incumbent refs-I think the Hayes incident was a foul and thus a red (in some ways similar to hedges red card vs the rangers this season) but you see people argue these types of incidents both ways. Therefore you could see var inadvertently re-emphasising what we currently have if not implemented correctly. 

Ultimately I don’t think refs are consciously corrupt but they’re human and influenced by their background and how they’re rewarded-Collum won’t be penalised for that game, but if he had sent someone off there would have been appeals, tv and radios moaning about it. There’s a chance he then be moved from the spotlight which would in effect penalise him for making the right call. Make ref selection random and that doesn’t happen anymore.

Good post^.

[aberdeen1970]

35 minutes ago, Rubinho Escocia said:

There’s a number of things that could be considered ahead of professional refs if the costs are prohibitive for that.

Granted it may be sour grapes but I’ve read articles from aspiring refs across Scotland that say they’re given less opportunities to develop as they come through than Strathclyde based refs. Consequently most of our top refs are from the same area which hurts the game.

Randomly drawing refs rather than allocating refs could also be tried; again it means the same refs from the same area aren’t the ones being developed and avoids the situation where certain games always have the same refs. For those that are bored, look at the 84-85 Italian season when they tried this, and compare the league table to the previous and subsequent years.

Var will ultimately arrive in some form, but only help if the var reviewers don’t have the same issues as the incumbent refs-I think the Hayes incident was a foul and thus a red (in some ways similar to hedges red card vs the rangers this season) but you see people argue these types of incidents both ways. Therefore you could see var inadvertently re-emphasising what we currently have if not implemented correctly. 

Ultimately I don’t think refs are consciously corrupt but they’re human and influenced by their background and how they’re rewarded-Collum won’t be penalised for that game, but if he had sent someone off there would have been appeals, tv and radios moaning about it. There’s a chance he then be moved from the spotlight which would in effect penalise him for making the right call. Make ref selection random and that doesn’t happen anymore.

Some good ideas there min. 

I like the random assignment idea but that would only work if the initial referee selection process is reformed in the first place. 

Something else we can reform once the Huns and Celtic fuck off. 

[Ramandu]

13 hours ago, Rubinho Escocia said:

Randomly drawing refs rather than allocating refs could also be tried; again it means the same refs from the same area aren’t the ones being developed and avoids the situation where certain games always have the same refs. For those that are bored, look at the 84-85 Italian season when they tried this, and compare the league table to the previous and subsequent years.

I'm interested enough to read it on this thread, but not interested enough to dig it out for myself. There must be an article or something?

[Dons79]

9 hours ago, Ramandu said:

I'm interested enough to read it on this thread, but not interested enough to dig it out for myself. There must be an article or something?

http://inbedwithmaradona.com/journal/2015/2/23/hellas
bit of info here

https://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/23-Season-in-brief/1317-serie-a-1984-85

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2018/07/24/how-verona-defied-the-odds-and-the-unwritten-rules-to-lift-the-scudetto-in-1985/

[NEM]

On 4/23/2021 at 5:00 PM, Fridge said:

I find it really sad and bizarre that you defend absolutely anything negative said against the Huns on an Aberdeen forum.

Not really given he’s a hun cunt 

[NEM]

On 4/23/2021 at 5:41 PM, North_Andy_Dandy said:

We need to have professional referees if we at least want to see the standard improving. But the average wage for a premier league ref is about £40,000 a year then the match day fee on top. So you’re talking about £240,000 a season for 6 full time refs but then there’s the linesman etc to think about as well. It’s obviously a cost that the SFA don’t want to pay plus you’ll be having ref’s earning more than some players.

Doubt it’d make a difference if they were professional or not - they’d still all be hun or tim bastards from the west coast. Absolutely laughable we have ex Ibrox season ticket holders reffing hun games or catholic RE teachers reffing tim games when in England refs aren’t even allowed to take charge of games involving the rivals of the teams they support. 

Foreign refs the way ahead 

[aberdeen1970]

We certainly don't want to be paying the pricks we have to deal with 40k a year for a part time job. 

 

[Rubinho Escocia]

Dons79 has shared some good articles about the most interesting season. However, here's the Serie A top 5 from the years running up to that season, and post it when ref selection reverted to the previous approach.

1980-81 - refs allocated

1 Juve

2 Roma

3 Napoli

4 Inter

5 Fiorentina

 

1981-82 - refs allocated

1 Juve

2 Fiorentina

3 Roma

4 Napoli

5 Inter

 

1982-83 - refs allocated

1 Roma

2 Juve

3 Inter

4 Verona

5 Fiorentina

 

1983 -84 - refs allocated

1 Juve

2 Roma

3 Fiorentina

4 Inter

5 Torino

 

1984-85 - random refs

1 Verona

2 Torino

3 Inter

4 Sampdoria

5 Milan

 

1985 -86 - refs allocated

1 Juve

2 Roma

3 Napoli

4 Torino

5 Fiorentina

Appreciate causation and correlation are not automatic and the environment in Italy differs from Scotland, but refs are human and will develop relationships if in charge of the same teams and I don't think we should fear variety - even if the standard lower for lower down refs may be worse this could also help them improve! 

Anyway, hope whoever the ref is today gives us a dodgy penalty and we beat United - Mon the Dons!