The Goodwin effect!

[Guest milne_afc]

12 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

He needs to improve massively. 

I fear it’s beyond him. He seems a really nice guy but he’s a dumb mick.

[JamieMT]

7 hours ago, ERNIE said:

Are we signing players to make money by selling them later or to make them into a winning team? Goodwin seems always building up myovski just to sell him....

This is where i feel we're at. Ourselves and Hibs have taken the moneyball approach to transfers this season in the hope of buying low and selling high. If we happen to achieve anything along the way, all the better. But it's all about the next big money sale.

[Ten Caat]

44 minutes ago, Millertime said:

We should be investing proper money in a proven manager

We have the money, so let's do it

A fair old chunk of the transfer fees we've brought in will be earmarked as a down-payment on our new stadium, whenever/wherever it happens.

Beyond that we've paid off 2 managerial teams in 18 months. The current one insitu ( which we paid compo to St Mirren for into the bargain) still has the best part of 2 years left on their contracts and whilst they won't be on McInnes type salaries, it would still take a hefty wedge of cash to send them packing.

Unless we go on a 10 match losing streak, Goodwin is going to be allowed the January window at least to see if he can sort out some of the glaring deficiencies he has allowed to occur squad balance wise. But if he makes a cunt of that, and we end up in the bottom 6 at season's end (by extension we'd obviously be bottom 6 at the split but he'd be allowed to see the season out you'd imagine) then Gnasher would have to empty his wallet and do the necessary.

[RUL]

7 minutes ago, JamieMT said:

This is where i feel we're at. Ourselves and Hibs have taken the moneyball approach to transfers this season in the hope of buying low and selling high. If we happen to achieve anything along the way, all the better. But it's all about the next big money sale.

This is absolutely club policy. It’s risky as fuck if you don’t get it right. Besuijen is seen as someone they can sell on but he’s been absolutely shite 

[Schapenneuker]

55 minutes ago, Ernie McCracken said:

Hibs are pretty much the same as us, in that the majority of their wins have come against 10 men. 

All of them actually. 

 

[WesthillWanderersFC]

1 hour ago, Millertime said:

We should be investing proper money in a proven manager

We have the money, so let's do it

Who would you suggest? 

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

42 minutes ago, JamieMT said:

This is where i feel we're at. Ourselves and Hibs have taken the moneyball approach to transfers this season in the hope of buying low and selling high. If we happen to achieve anything along the way, all the better. But it's all about the next big money sale.

We’ll see what happens. Maybe neither if the players are shite. 
 

but it is something to be wary of. You see the amount of profit Dortmund have made on profit in the last few years - but what do they have to show for it? 

[Millertime]

22 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

Who would you suggest? 

Knew that was coming!

No idea

"It's not my job to identify them "

But someone who's stock is high in English championship 

Promise them a budget never seen before outwith the Glasgow two and a chance to make proper history

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

5 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Knew that was coming!

No idea

"It's not my job to identify them "

But someone who's stock is high in English championship 

Promise them a budget never seen before outwith the Glasgow two and a chance to make proper history

This is where it’s hard to get someone decent in Scotland though. The half decent English managers come up to jockland and think the standard is so shite they can just sign league 1/2 players. Then they fail and fuck off. 
 

or you can try appointing a highly rated foreigner like kilmarnock did. But then because he is trying to teach you tactical awareness instead of just running 10k’s the players led by kirk broadfoot will revolt. 
 

you really need someone who understands Scottish football. And is a decent manager. And will fit into your club. Apparently it’s not so easy. Which is displeasing  

[Millertime]

11 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

This is where it’s hard to get someone decent in Scotland though. The half decent English managers come up to jockland and think the standard is so shite they can just sign league 1/2 players. Then they fail and fuck off. 
 

or you can try appointing a highly rated foreigner like kilmarnock did. But then because he is trying to teach you tactical awareness instead of just running 10k’s the players led by kirk broadfoot will revolt. 
 

you really need someone who understands Scottish football. And is a decent manager. And will fit into your club. Apparently it’s not so easy. Which is displeasing  

Steve Clarke then, when his scotland tenure is up

[strachanmcgheegoal]

43 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Knew that was coming!

No idea

"It's not my job to identify them "

But someone who's stock is high in English championship 

Promise them a budget never seen before outwith the Glasgow two and a chance to make proper history

Proper history?  As has been said many times.  You can scrape third and you can come third with style. You’re still 3rd. 

[Millertime]

7 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

Proper history?  As has been said many times.  You can scrape third and you can come third with style. You’re still 3rd. 

Where did I say 3rd?

With a proper manager, 2nds there for the taking for a start 

[strachanmcgheegoal]

I don’t think it’s there for the taking.  But it’s there.  I’ll grant you that.

Not seeing a name yet though.

[maryhilldon]

22 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Where did I say 3rd?

With a proper manager, 2nds there for the taking for a start 

C'mon, get real.  We've no chance of bettering either of the arsecheeks over 38 games. 

[WesthillWanderersFC]

30 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Where did I say 3rd?

With a proper manager, 2nds there for the taking for a start 

Come on, be realistic, 2nd is not there for the taking.

How do you propose we close a 40 point gap or whatever it usually is between 2nd & 3rd? 

Our budget is not markedly bigger than Hearts for example, if it is at all now.

The Rangers budget is a multiple bigger than ours, & the Tims even more. 

We wouldn’t finish 2nd now with Pep Guardiola in charge. 

[Millertime]

26 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

I don’t think it’s there for the taking.  But it’s there.  I’ll grant you that.

Not seeing a name yet though.

I said Clarke?

And, again, that's not up to me to pick a name

[Millertime]

18 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

Come on, be realistic, 2nd is not there for the taking.

How do you propose we close a 40 point gap or whatever it usually is between 2nd & 3rd? 

Our budget is not markedly bigger than Hearts for example, if it is at all now.

The Rangers budget is a multiple bigger than ours, & the Tims even more. 

We wouldn’t finish 2nd now with Pep Guardiola in charge. 

Thats not true

[JamieMT]

18 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

Come on, be realistic, 2nd is not there for the taking.

How do you propose we close a 40 point gap or whatever it usually is between 2nd & 3rd? 

Our budget is not markedly bigger than Hearts for example, if it is at all now.

The Rangers budget is a multiple bigger than ours, & the Tims even more. 

We wouldn’t finish 2nd now with Pep Guardiola in charge. 

Agree with Millertime on this (the sexy bastard). Aside from the fact we've beaten the Hun to second spot in recent seasons, their European activities stretch them beyond their capabilities (same goes for Hearts). And sadly it's our results against Motherwell, Livingston et al which cost us dear.

[maryhilldon]

6 minutes ago, JamieMT said:

 And sadly it's our results against Motherwell, Livingston et al which cost us dear.

Exactly, that's always going to be the case. It's not the 80s anymore, it's impossible to build a team capable of challenging for the league. As soon as we find a proper player they move on because we can't compete with the wages in England or Glasgow. 

[Millertime]

8 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

Exactly, that's always going to be the case. It's not the 80s anymore, it's impossible to build a team capable of challenging for the league. As soon as we find a proper player they move on because we can't compete with the wages in England or Glasgow. 

Thats extremely defeatist

If the Club thinks like that, then yeah, it won't happen

[maryhilldon]

5 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Thats extremely defeatist

If the Club thinks like that, then yeah, it won't happen

It is quite depressing.  It's where we are though.

[Russell]

Need to get some Jim McLean 10 year contracts sorted out

[Dr_Manhattan]

8 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Thats extremely defeatist

If the Club thinks like that, then yeah, it won't happen

It's true though. The last time we had a team capable of winning the league, we were paying them more than they could get elsewhere. That's simply not possible any more. Even if we pushed the boat out on one or two, what is the manager going to tell them? "I know you could quadruple your wages right now, but stick with us and if your bang average teammates can play out of their skins for an entire season we've got a chance".

Nope. We're never winning the league again unless we get rid of the Tims and huns to another league.

[maryhilldon]

The arsecheeks getting £30/40m from UEFA is good for Scottish fitba though. Fuck UEFA,  the destroyers of domestic competition.

[RUL]

6 hours ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

This is where it’s hard to get someone decent in Scotland though. The half decent English managers come up to jockland and think the standard is so shite they can just sign league 1/2 players. Then they fail and fuck off. 
 

or you can try appointing a highly rated foreigner like kilmarnock did. But then because he is trying to teach you tactical awareness instead of just running 10k’s the players led by kirk broadfoot will revolt. 
 

you really need someone who understands Scottish football. And is a decent manager. And will fit into your club. Apparently it’s not so easy. Which is displeasing  

We have signed 2 players from league 1 in England and 2 from the conference ;national league), under our current manager. A worrying reflection of our own head of recruitment position on the standard of Scottish football that he thought conference players could hack it here.

[WesthillWanderersFC]

6 hours ago, JamieMT said:

Agree with Millertime on this (the sexy bastard). Aside from the fact we've beaten the Hun to second spot in recent seasons, their European activities stretch them beyond their capabilities (same goes for Hearts). And sadly it's our results against Motherwell, Livingston et al which cost us dear.

You’ve just defeated your own argument with the last sentence. 
 

[WesthillWanderersFC]

2 hours ago, RUL said:

We have signed 2 players from league 1 in England and 2 from the conference ;national league), under our current manager. A worrying reflection of our own head of recruitment position on the standard of Scottish football that he thought conference players could hack it here.

More worrying is that we’ve spent about £500k on the likes of Richardson & Morris. 

And another £150k or thereabouts on Roberts, another non-league player (admittedly we’ve seen nothing of him due to injury). 

Bringing in 11 players, there was always likely to be a few duds, but in Scottish football terms, they’re maybe going to be expensive duds. 

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

3 hours ago, RUL said:

We have signed 2 players from league 1 in England and 2 from the conference ;national league), under our current manager. A worrying reflection of our own head of recruitment position on the standard of Scottish football that he thought conference players could hack it here.

Not really if they are good enough. Which admittedly remains to be seen. Plenty very good players have played at those levels. Could have signed Jamie vardy and Andy robertson for a tenner 10 year ago. 
 

league 1 is very much our buying level though. Guys leave here to go to the championship and treble their wages

[Helmet]

7 hours ago, Millertime said:

Thats extremely defeatist

If the Club thinks like that, then yeah, it won't happen

Tbh I think this is what all the non Old Firm clubs have long ago accepted.

If not, how to explain their complete lack of ambition to improve our league to help their situation.

No FFP, no squad limits, playing each other 4 times a year, top heavy distribution of money down the league positions - the EPL (which is the neighbour our football authorities and media like to when it suits them) does all of these things better.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

5 minutes ago, Helmet said:

Tbh I think this is what all the non Old Firm clubs have long ago accepted.

If not, how to explain their complete lack of ambition to improve our league to help their situation.

No FFP, no squad limits, playing each other 4 times a year, top heavy distribution of money down the league positions - the EPL (which is the neighbour our football authorities and media like to when it suits them) does all of these things better.

Accepted.  And sold out every fan that mattered to recreate.  Enjoy.