Leighton Clarkson

[Millertime]

17 minutes ago, minijc said:

It's pretty clear that half of our fans are fucking idiots when it comes to players with actual talent.  Clarkson is at his best when he has time and some space to pick out a pass to the more advanced attackers in the team, games like last night he's not going to get that.

 

So, what then?

He can only play in games where he gets time and space?

Seriously?

[Millertime]

4 minutes ago, minijc said:

Bullshit, what's he meant to do, try take on their midfield by himself?  A few of our best performances came when he was in his suited role, last night the midfield wasn't right, instead of Clarkson or Barron Polvara or Phillips should have played, even McGrath was largely poor last night but folk seem to be fixated on Clarkson.

And the reason you've heard it most of the season is because the ginger fud Robson was misusing him for most of the games, actually misused several players.

I dont know if its true that people are only fixating on Clarkson 

In this thread, maybe, but then this is the Clarkson thread

[Russell]

4 minutes ago, minijc said:

Bullshit, what's he meant to do, try take on their midfield by himself?  A few of our best performances came when he was in his suited role, last night the midfield wasn't right, instead of Clarkson or Barron Polvara or Phillips should have played, even McGrath was largely poor last night but folk seem to be fixated on Clarkson.

And the reason you've heard it most of the season is because the ginger fud Robson was misusing him for most of the games, actually misused several players.

Agreed that the setup last night wasn't conducive to the way Clarkson plays. McGrath stayed on longer than he maybe should have but he was doing a lot of good dirty work which Polvara doesn't have in his locker yet.

[Millertime]

1 minute ago, Russell said:

Agreed that the setup last night wasn't conducive to the way Clarkson plays. McGrath stayed on longer than he maybe should have but he was doing a lot of good dirty work which Polvara doesn't have in his locker yet.

https://voca.ro/1mZfUAuJCehH

[minijc]

2 minutes ago, Millertime said:

So, what then?

He can only play in games where he gets time and space?

Seriously?

Not exactly no but games against Celtic and Rangers will always be a lot tougher due to how little of the ball we get.  There's still a role for him to play, especially in the home games as he showed on saturday, couple of excellent passes once he settled after coming on.

1 minute ago, Millertime said:

I dont know if its true that people are only fixating on Clarkson 

In this thread, maybe, but then this is the Clarkson thread

Don't come the cunt Cesc.

[Millertime]

Just now, minijc said:

Not exactly no but games against Celtic and Rangers will always be a lot tougher due to how little of the ball we get.  There's still a role for him to play, especially in the home games as he showed on saturday, couple of excellent passes once he settled after coming on.

Don't come the cunt Cesc.

Haha sorry xx

[RAZOR]

12 minutes ago, minijc said:

Bullshit, what's he meant to do, try take on their midfield by himself?  A few of our best performances came when he was in his suited role, last night the midfield wasn't right, instead of Clarkson or Barron Polvara or Phillips should have played, even McGrath was largely poor last night but folk seem to be fixated on Clarkson.

And the reason you've heard it most of the season is because the ginger fud Robson was misusing him for most of the games, actually misused several players.

I'm not specifically speaking about last night. I'm talking about the whole bloody season where he has virtually offered nothing. Deluded if you think otherwise.

 

 

[bonzodaddy73]

26 minutes ago, minijc said:

What are folk expecting him or any other creative player to do in a game like last night where he gets zero time on the ball?  our new great white hope Barron was worse than him and Shinnie was a joke for most of the game too.

I don't think last night in particular is being called into question. He has struggled all season and that can't be argued, he's got talent no doubt but he's been poor which can be said of many of our current collection of midfield mongos.

[minijc]

7 minutes ago, RAZOR said:

I'm not specifically speaking about last night. I'm talking about the whole bloody season where he has virtually offered nothing. Deluded if you think otherwise.

 

 

Yeah and there are various reasons, as I said he could be doing more but look at how he's been used, especially under Robson, plenty of others have struggled too due to the set up.  Fuck me, Robson had him playing a role where he was taking the ball off the defenders and instructed to find Miovski as quickly as possible, that's just fucking stupid. 

[thurso]

37 minutes ago, minijc said:

What are folk expecting him or any other creative player to do in a game like last night where he gets zero time on the ball?  our new great white hope Barron was worse than him and Shinnie was a joke for most of the game too.

I’d say last night wasn’t that we wernt getting time on the ball it’s that we were so deep so when we did have the ball there was only miovski forward to hit so the ball was thumped into a space and given away. 
The times Clarkson did get on the ball and we were deep he was crowded out. Even a boy of his talents couldn’t then do anything with it 
 

[minijc]

2 minutes ago, thurso said:

I’d say last night wasn’t that we wernt getting time on the ball it’s that we were so deep so when we did have the ball there was only miovski forward to hit so the ball was thumped into a space and given away. 
The times Clarkson did get on the ball and we were deep he was crowded out. Even a boy of his talents couldn’t then do anything with it 
 

There's a bit of both for sure, it's tough work and as you point out there isn't much options to make a pass to.  lets see how he and some other get on in a much more favourable run from now until the end of the season.

[Broken_Glass]

29 minutes ago, RAZOR said:

Been hearing that all season. A good player will always find a way. Not denying his talent but this season he has offered nothing.

How do you propose that he finds a way when the game bypasses him? He can drop short but the defence puts it over his head anyway, or he can go long and try and get a scrap when the opposition wins the header. That's not his game.

[RAZOR]

7 minutes ago, minijc said:

Yeah and there are various reasons, as I said he could be doing more but look at how he's been used, especially under Robson, plenty of others have struggled too due to the set up.  Fuck me, Robson had him playing a role where he was taking the ball off the defenders and instructed to find Miovski as quickly as possible, that's just fucking stupid. 

Yet he was really good in the last few months of the season under Robson.. It's been like a flick of a switch since for both him and Robson.

We need to start seeing more from him. As someone above said, we aren't good enough for passengers.

[HaarDon]

Warnock has just announced that next game he wants 8 players outstretched,  to make a 5 metre radius circle around Clarkson further up the pitch so he has time to make a killer pass while Miovski waits intensely.

4th place ensues. 

🙂

 

 

[RAZOR]

6 minutes ago, Broken_Glass said:

How do you propose that he finds a way when the game bypasses him? He can drop short but the defence puts it over his head anyway, or he can go long and try and get a scrap when the opposition wins the header. That's not his game.

Again. Not speaking specifically about last night. He's been rank all season.

[bonzodaddy73]

This weekend is an ideal game for Clarkson with hopefully more players getting into the box for him to go for. Duk needs to start up front with Bojan and both will get goals. I fully expect us to batter Bonnyrig by 4 or 5

[Russell]

24 minutes ago, Millertime said:

https://voca.ro/1mZfUAuJCehH

Cheers Mealy Dan

[Broken_Glass]

1 minute ago, RAZOR said:

Again. Not speaking specifically about last night. He's been rank all season.

And our tactics have bypassed him all season. Play to his strengths and you'll see a completely different Clarkson. 

You have just eluded to the fact that you thought and observed him to be "excellent" last season.....

[minijc]

2 minutes ago, RAZOR said:

Yet he was really good in the last few months of the season under Robson.. It's been like a flick of a switch since for both him and Robson.

We need to start seeing more from him. As someone above said, we aren't good enough for passengers.

Pretty obvious to most folk that the opposition cottoned on to what we were doing, made worse by the fact that this season we tried to be even more direct and bypass the midfield completely.

For as poor as Clarkson has been he's still 3rd in our team for chances created per 90mins, so the 'he contributes nothing' shouts that folk come out with are a load of rubbish, it's also very hard to assist more and score when you're instructed to stay in your own half.

[RAZOR]

12 minutes ago, Broken_Glass said:

And our tactics have bypassed him all season. Play to his strengths and you'll see a completely different Clarkson. 

You can't say that has been the case in every game. That's red tinted specs material. He's not been good enough regardless of what he's been asked to do.

[minijc]

1 minute ago, RAZOR said:

You can't say that has been the case in every game. That's red tinted specs material. He's not been good enough regardless of what he's been asked to do.

Majority though, the few games he was doing what he prefers he was really good, like away to Hibs, created about 4 chances for Miovski who had an off day.

[Redtaz2]

Didn’t appear happy when subbed last night 

that’s good still has the desire , however has lost his way a bit this seaso but not helped by previous tactics 

[strachanmcgheegoal]

He needs the ball as he’s not going to win it himself.  We need a midfield that supplies him.

[aberdeen1970]

19 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

He needs the ball as he’s not going to win it himself.  We need a midfield that supplies him.

We'd be as well play a 442 and play him off Miovski then as a second striker if he isn't capable of tackling and winning the ball on his own. 

[Johnnyred1]

Lack of form along with Duk has been the difference this term. Clarkson has no pace but certainly has showed he has other great attributes. There however, comes a time when he has to take personal responsibility for being ineffective and poor instead of blaming the system he is asked to play in.

[Don Fonte]

He'll start showing his worth now.  A lot happier now the alki hun is away.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

6 hours ago, Broken_Glass said:

And our tactics have bypassed him all season. Play to his strengths and you'll see a completely different Clarkson. 

You have just eluded to the fact that you thought and observed him to be "excellent" last season.....

 

1 hour ago, Johnnyred1 said:

Lack of form along with Duk has been the difference this term. Clarkson has no pace but certainly has showed he has other great attributes. There however, comes a time when he has to take personal responsibility for being ineffective and poor instead of blaming the system he is asked to play in.

Sympathy for both these views.  That’s why we’ve taken in an experienced manager for a change.

No question he was literally brushed aside by Lundstram and Lawrence(?) last night.

[Simply Red]

6 hours ago, RAZOR said:

You can't say that has been the case in every game. That's red tinted specs material. He's not been good enough regardless of what he's been asked to do.

His basic passing and crossing has been dire, as has his movement on/off the ball. He also looks week af. Easy to blame it all on Robson. Hopefully Warnock can help him turn it around asap. He’s an asset on his day.

[RAZOR]

1 hour ago, Simply Red said:

 Hopefully Warnock can help him turn it around asap. He’s an asset on his day.

I think that's something we can all agree on.

[Dandyesque]

15 hours ago, RAZOR said:

I think that's something we can all agree on.

It's not the only thing.