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2 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

Can someone say definitively if it’s seeded or not?

My recollection was that it is, but I’m sure someone on here said it wasn’t? 

Hearts v Zurich, last year, I thought Hearts were unseeded & Zurich seeded. 

It's definitely not seeded 

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Just now, WesthillWanderersFC said:

Can someone say definitively if it’s seeded or not?

My recollection was that it is, but I’m sure someone on here said it wasn’t? 

Hearts v Zurich, last year, I thought Hearts were unseeded & Zurich seeded. 

We are seeded but it works in a funny way so there could easy be a monster unseeded.

We'll most likely play a team who were knocked out of Champions League QR2 so could be someone shite like Shamrock Rovers or a monster like Galatasaray etc

When we get our pot we'll certainly be praying for some over others.

There is a slimer chance we could play a team from Europa QR3. Maybe get lucky with a Brann, Servete

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Just now, Tord31 said:

We are seeded but it works in a funny way so there could easy be a monster unseeded.

We'll most likely play a team who were knocked out of Champions League QR2 so could be someone shite like Shamrock Rovers or a monster like Galatasaray etc

When we get our pot we'll certainly be praying for some over others.

There is a slimer chance we could play a team from Europa QR3. Maybe get lucky with a Brann, Servete

No we are NOT Seeded.

 

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LASK Linz (AUT) 36.000 P1
Racing Genk (BEL) 18.000 P1
Zorya Luhansk (UKR) 16.000 P1
Aberdeen (SCO) 8.000 P1
Cukaricki (SRB) 6.475 P1
Lugano (SUI) 6.335 P1
Molde (NOR) 24.000 P2
Ludogorets Razgrad (BUL) 21.000 P2
Sheriff Tiraspol (MDA) 19.500 P2
BATE Borisov (BLR) 15.000 P2
Sparta Praha (CZE) 14.000 P2
AEK Athens (GRE) 11.000 P2
Astana (KAZ) 14.000 P3
Maccabi Haifa (ISR) 13.000 P3
Zalgiris Vilnius (LTU) 11.000 P3
HJK Helsinki (FIN) 11.000 P3
Flora Tallinn (EST) 10.500 P3
Olympiakos Piraeus (GRE) 39.000 P4
Slavia Praha (CZE) 52.000 P4
Brann (NOR) 5.810

P4

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Thats as things stand e.g., leagues finish as is across europe and the favourites win the domestic and european cups. Also assumes all favourites win in CL/Europa QR1-QR3

 

Gives you the idea of the mixed bag it is. Dons/Caley will play a pot 4 or pot3

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6 minutes ago, Tord31 said:
 
LASK Linz (AUT) 36.000 P1
Racing Genk (BEL) 18.000 P1
Zorya Luhansk (UKR) 16.000 P1
Aberdeen (SCO) 8.000 P1
Cukaricki (SRB) 6.475 P1
Lugano (SUI) 6.335 P1
Molde (NOR) 24.000 P2
Ludogorets Razgrad (BUL) 21.000 P2
Sheriff Tiraspol (MDA) 19.500 P2
BATE Borisov (BLR) 15.000 P2
Sparta Praha (CZE) 14.000 P2
AEK Athens (GRE) 11.000 P2
Astana (KAZ) 14.000 P3
Maccabi Haifa (ISR) 13.000 P3
Zalgiris Vilnius (LTU) 11.000 P3
HJK Helsinki (FIN) 11.000 P3
Flora Tallinn (EST) 10.500 P3
Olympiakos Piraeus (GRE) 39.000 P4
Slavia Praha (CZE) 52.000 P4
Brann (NOR) 5.810

P4

Someone like Flora or Zalgris would be ideal as should be able to beat them, potentially some cracking ties/away trips to be had 

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The trips for the 07/08 campaign remain some of my greatest memories of following the Dons. Didn’t have a ticket for the Atletico game so ventured the stadium in hope and was almost crushed to death against the club shop when their ultras charged down the hill. Managed to find a dodgy bloke selling a ticket outside their main stand and ended up sitting next to an American couple. Educated them on the finer point of Scottish football which I’m sure they appreciated as I was still bleezing from the pre-matchers.

Chuffed for the current generation of loons who now get the opportunity for similar experiences. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Dandie1992 said:

You won't believe what a chance we have if we get a pot 3 team for the EL Playoff. Fuckin Bredablik and BK Hacken could get in to that if they win the right games

So CLQR1 we need to cheer the small teams as we are looking for upsets. Those winners are going to CLQR2. Losers are off to Conference League.

In CLQR2 the losers start falling in to Europa. So we are cheering the favourites in that round. They will likely be our opponents.

Those CLQR2 losers all play each other in Europa QR3. We are back to cheering for upsets. Want a weaker team to get through. Those are five of our potential opponents. And a high probably this team has to play 6 or 8 midweeks in a row which has always been a cunt for us running out of steam.

Wee chance we could play the teams genuinely started in Europa QR3. So we cheer the minnows in that round.

I think we are going to best with a league winner that starts in QR1 of champions league and our second leg is their 8th midweek tie in a row

 

 

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Billy Dodds will be using our 3rd placed celebrations (confidence in Europa play off spot) as a big motivator for Caley in final.

 

Just hope Celtics desperation for Treble & matching/beating the combined 2x Huns teams for ‘most successful team’ BS gets them up for it

 

Carter Vicers missing has been a huge loss for them in defence. Shipped 9 goals in last 3 games without him.

He’s missed their last 4 & only clean sheet was his first game missing v Hearts.

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5 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

So CLQR1 we need to cheer the small teams as we are looking for upsets. Those winners are going to CLQR2. Losers are off to Conference League.

In CLQR2 the losers start falling in to Europa. So we are cheering the favourites in that round. They will likely be our opponents.

Those CLQR2 losers all play each other in Europa QR3. We are back to cheering for upsets. Want a weaker team to get through. Those are five of our potential opponents. And a high probably this team has to play 6 or 8 midweeks in a row which has always been a cunt for us running out of steam.

Wee chance we could play the teams genuinely started in Europa QR3. So we cheer the minnows in that round.

I think we are going to best with a league winner that starts in QR1 of champions league and our second leg is their 8th midweek tie in a row

 

 

Aye yer spot on. We need like a Lincoln Red Imps to get to the 2nd Qualifying Round of CL, get beat then win their EL qual game to get to the playoff

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9 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

So CLQR1 we need to cheer the small teams as we are looking for upsets. Those winners are going to CLQR2. Losers are off to Conference League.

In CLQR2 the losers start falling in to Europa. So we are cheering the favourites in that round. They will likely be our opponents.

Those CLQR2 losers all play each other in Europa QR3. We are back to cheering for upsets. Want a weaker team to get through. Those are five of our potential opponents. And a high probably this team has to play 6 or 8 midweeks in a row which has always been a cunt for us running out of steam.

Wee chance we could play the teams genuinely started in Europa QR3. So we cheer the minnows in that round.

I think we are going to best with a league winner that starts in QR1 of champions league and our second leg is their 8th midweek tie in a row

 

 

It’s actually a pity we can’t get some CL drop outs because some of them are shite from shite leagues (a lot worse than ours) 

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7 minutes ago, fine-n-dandy said:

It’s actually a pity we can’t get some CL drop outs because some of them are shite from shite leagues (a lot worse than ours) 

Its the Champions League QR2 losers that will have 5/8 chance of being our opponent.

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10 hours ago, Tord31 said:

Thats as things stand e.g., leagues finish as is across europe and the favourites win the domestic and european cups. Also assumes all favourites win in CL/Europa QR1-QR3

 

Gives you the idea of the mixed bag it is. Dons/Caley will play a pot 4 or pot3

Pot 4 will be Lugano or Luzern and 2 of Slavia Praha, Olympiakos, Panathinaikos and 2nd placed teams from Switzerland, Ukraine & Belgium.

Slavia Praha & Olympiakos will each play one of the losing teams from CL-Q2nc in EL-Q3

Pot 3 will contain the 5 teams who win their EL-Q3ch ties.

EL-Q3ch features the 10 losing sides from CL-Q2 and is an open (no seeding) draw. The teams in CL-Q2 are likely to be (If seeded teams in Q1 win)...

CL-Q2: 2nd Qualifying Round for Champions (20 clubs)
Unknown (unseeded < 14.000, seeded > 15.000)
------------------------ --- ----------------
Sparta Praha             Cze  14.000
FK Astana *              Kaz  14.000
CH *                     Bul  13.000 - 21.000
CH                       Den   5.565 - 40.500


Seeded clubs                   coef.             Unseeded clubs                 coef.
------------------------ --- ----------------    ------------------------ --- ----------------
Dinamo Zagreb            Cro  55.000             .
CH *                     Tur  30.000 - 31.500    .
Ferencváros *            Hun  27.000             Maccabi Haifa *          Isr  13.000
Qarabag FK *             Azb  25.000             Zalgiris Vilnius *       Lit  11.000
Slovan Bratislava *      Svk  24.500             HJK Helsinki *           Fin  11.000
Molde FK                 Nor  24.000             Flora Tallinn *          Est  10.500
Sheriff Tiraspol *       Mol  19.500             Shamrock Rovers *        Irl   9.000
BATE Borisov *           Bls  15.000             The New Saints *         Wal   9.000
.                                                Olimpija Ljubljana *     Slo   9.000
.                                                Zrinjski Mostar *        Bos   8.500
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10 hours ago, Tord31 said:
 
LASK Linz (AUT) 36.000 P1
Racing Genk (BEL) 18.000 P1
Zorya Luhansk (UKR) 16.000 P1
Aberdeen (SCO) 8.000 P1
Cukaricki (SRB) 6.475 P1
Lugano (SUI) 6.335 P1
Molde (NOR) 24.000 P2
Ludogorets Razgrad (BUL) 21.000 P2
Sheriff Tiraspol (MDA) 19.500 P2
BATE Borisov (BLR) 15.000 P2
Sparta Praha (CZE) 14.000 P2
AEK Athens (GRE) 11.000 P2
Astana (KAZ) 14.000 P3
Maccabi Haifa (ISR) 13.000 P3
Zalgiris Vilnius (LTU) 11.000 P3
HJK Helsinki (FIN) 11.000 P3
Flora Tallinn (EST) 10.500 P3
Olympiakos Piraeus (GRE) 39.000 P4
Slavia Praha (CZE) 52.000 P4
Brann (NOR) 5.810

P4

Lugano would be Pot 4 rather than Brann, no? The other team in Pot 1 would be PSV or 3rd in Dutch League.

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I notice that (provisionally) the team that finishes 3rd (or 4th depending on cup winners) next season will be guaranteed 2 European ties.

Instead of entering Conference League QR3 they will enter at Europa League QR2 with the loser of that tie then dropping through to Conference League QR3.

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19 minutes ago, Medw1311 said:

I notice that (provisionally) the team that finishes 3rd (or 4th depending on cup winners) next season will be guaranteed 2 European ties.

Instead of entering Conference League QR3 they will enter at Europa League QR2 with the loser of that tie then dropping through to Conference League QR3.

Interesting. What's the explanation for the proposed change? That would be a fair boost to whomever.

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18 minutes ago, Medw1311 said:

I notice that (provisionally) the team that finishes 3rd (or 4th depending on cup winners) next season will be guaranteed 2 European ties.

Instead of entering Conference League QR3 they will enter at Europa League QR2 with the loser of that tie then dropping through to Conference League QR3.

So a lot worse off than this season

 

We’d best win the Europa cup (or failing that the conference cup) to be safe 👍

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