Scottish Football

[BaaBaaRedSheep]

In the last week or so, over 2 legs, Hibernian, Huns, Hearts and us have shipped 8 goals, 7 goals, 6 goals and 5 goals respectively, performing relatively poorly in Europe. 

From a Dons perspective I thought our tactics were naive and open against a decent Haeken team, whose main striker, Sadiq, knew how to finish whereas one of ours, Duk, didn't. 

If the Scottish season was played February to November would our teams have performed better? Who knows but one thing is for sure the overall standard is not good enough at present. 

Again from a Dons point of view we have to look to the tactics we employ during a given match.

I appreciate that Robson is a young manager but he has to start learning quickly otherwise the outcomes will remain the same more often than not.

And if that is the case our European adventure will descend into a disaster. 

 

[Broken_Glass]

This footballers against dementia case might not be a bad thing for Scottish football if they ever decide that there is enough medical evidence to prove a direct link to heading the ball.

It would force us to relearn the game and learn to pass instead of lumping high hopeful balls. Hacken moved the ball far better and far quicker than we do and it was clinical.

It's been said for years that grassroots football needs to change, coaching needs to change and ultimately you're also correct - we need to seriously look at moving to summer football in this country.

[Bournemouth Gee]

26 minutes ago, Broken_Glass said:

been said for years that grassroots football needs to change, coaching needs to change and ultimately you're also correct - we need to seriously look at moving to summer football in this country.

It never changes though. I remember Roxborough and Brown talking about this stuff when they were working with the u-21's. That was over 30 years ago

[Broken_Glass]

4 minutes ago, Bournemouth Gee said:

It never changes though. I remember Roxborough and Brown talking about this stuff when they were working with the u-21's. That was over 30 years ago

Agree.  Probably because we pamper to and get dictated to by two clubs.

[ericblack4boss]

We have a corrupt league , ran by the members it is actually supposed to be serving, only Scottish football could do that .

If I was the SFA, and asked to nominate representatives for European competition I would say " nah, just leave it , it's not worth the effort"

Until we sort out the fundamental disparity in the game , then very little improvement will be made, and that will not happen while fans continue to give clubs money,  as that suggests that we as fans are  satisfied,  we are zipped up the back and will continue to accept the status quo.

Which ofcourse we are.

[Guest Matt Armstrong's Dog]

38 minutes ago, Bournemouth Gee said:

It never changes though. I remember Roxborough and Brown talking about this stuff when they were working with the u-21's. That was over 30 years ago

Aye, yer right min. Even Henry McLeish was tasked with overseeing a review of Scottish Football 20 odd years ago, from grass roots level through to the national team, with a view to improving each functional and productive element of our game.

Fuck all benefits or improvements have ever come from of his findings, even to this day.

Our game is wholly stifled and prevented from improving by completely disinterested and out-of-their-depth, incapable, corrupt suits, such as Neil Doncaster. He is only interested in two clubs and four fixtures of our league season they play against each other and fuck all else. The man has been in his position for 14 years now, getting a hefty wage for being a fucking moron.

What chance have clubs like ours in progressing whether it be domestically and in European tournaments when our game and ruling body is purely set up and centred around two rancid clubs?

Back when we were successful, Scottish football was in a far better state, partly attributed to the less authoritarian approach of the SFA and Scottish League of the day, and the perennial liberated flow of young Scottish footballers getting opportunities relatively early in their careers with the clubs they signed S forms with.

[Millertime]

1 hour ago, BaaBaaRedSheep said:

In the last week or so, over 2 legs, Hibernian, Huns, Hearts and us have shipped 8 goals, 7 goals, 6 goals and 5 goals respectively, performing relatively poorly in Europe. 

From a Dons perspective I thought our tactics were naive and open against a decent Haeken team, whose main striker, Sadiq, knew how to finish whereas one of ours, Duk, didn't. 

If the Scottish season was played February to November would our teams have performed better? Who knows but one thing is for sure the overall standard is not good enough at present. 

Again from a Dons point of view we have to look to the tactics we employ during a given match.

I appreciate that Robson is a young manager but he has to start learning quickly otherwise the outcomes will remain the same more often than not.

And if that is the case our European adventure will descend into a disaster. 

 

It's the same boring debate every year 

The problem is the low quality of managers

There is zero point securing promising young players from around the world and having a simpleton in charge of developing and managing them

The English Premier league hardly has any English managers, because they aren't the best

The most expensive person in our team should be the manager

A really good manager will get more out of mediocre players as well as the better players than a mediocre/poor manager will

[Kincardine_Mearns_Red]

Two clubs to blame. Take a guess who they are?

[Guest Matt Armstrong's Dog]

10 minutes ago, Kincardine_Mearns_Red said:

Two clubs to blame. Take a guess who they are?

Third Lanark and Renton.

[Kincardine_Mearns_Red]

Well three clubs really Celtic/Rangers/Rangers2012.

[Dynamo]

54 minutes ago, Millertime said:

It's the same boring debate every year 

The problem is the low quality of managers

There is zero point securing promising young players from around the world and having a simpleton in charge of developing and managing them

The English Premier league hardly has any English managers, because they aren't the best

The most expensive person in our team should be the manager

A really good manager will get more out of mediocre players as well as the better players than a mediocre/poor manager will

Spot on.

The bigger clubs in the league can't even attract a decent manager these days and have to hire from within. 

[S2RDS]

McCoist was spewing about the finances between PSV and the huns, without a hint of irony on the gap between the two cheeks and the entire rest of the footballing system in Scotland. It is completely unbalanced and I actually think it is just as detrimental to both Rangers and Celtic, as the competition in the league is stifled or just non-existent. They spend millions without putting the players up against decent quality, so is it any wonder that doesn't translate when it comes to European football. In reality, these multi-million pound 'superstars' that the media and their fans claim to have are probably bang average in any other top league, with the exception of a couple of players.  How can they improve in Europe by playing the other 10 teams in the league who have no money to compete, it's a shambles and we are just fodder in Europe with the budgets, player quality and managerial quality we can afford. The whole system needs torn apart, but it wont happen and unfortunately this is what we are stuck with. The only way I can see a way out is for a super league where those two cunts do one and we have a competitive league system again. 

 

 

[Ten Caat]

If/when Celtic and sevco do "leave" to join another (pan-European??) league system, as I think they will in the next 5-10 years, they'll be allowed to leave supposedly second string sides in the Scottish system. There will be maybe 5 years where ourselves and the Edinburgh sides pick up a few trophies and one off cup wins for the likes of St Mirren or Motherwell before these arse cheek second strings are loaded with players the rest of Scotland couldn't get near to affording and start picking up trophies every bit as much as their "big" sides did.

[Tord31]

3 hours ago, BaaBaaRedSheep said:

In the last week or so, over 2 legs, Hibernian, Huns, Hearts and us have shipped 8 goals, 7 goals, 6 goals and 5 goals respectively, performing relatively poorly in Europe. 

From a Dons perspective I thought our tactics were naive and open against a decent Haeken team, whose main striker, Sadiq, knew how to finish whereas one of ours, Duk, didn't. 

If the Scottish season was played February to November would our teams have performed better? Who knows but one thing is for sure the overall standard is not good enough at present. 

Again from a Dons point of view we have to look to the tactics we employ during a given match.

I appreciate that Robson is a young manager but he has to start learning quickly otherwise the outcomes will remain the same more often than not.

And if that is the case our European adventure will descend into a disaster. 

 

What I've seen of Celtic this season I don't believe they'd have won a qualifier either.

There is a lot of naivety with tactics and the first simple one I couldn't believe both Aberdeen and Hibs allowed their opponents to score a counter attack goal in the first 25 mins of the tie. It makes absolute sense to sit in for the first period. Particularly for Hibs that was absolutely idiotic, and probably hence contributory factor to the manager being sacked within 3-4 days.

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

2 hours ago, Millertime said:

It's the same boring debate every year 

The problem is the low quality of managers

There is zero point securing promising young players from around the world and having a simpleton in charge of developing and managing them

The English Premier league hardly has any English managers, because they aren't the best

The most expensive person in our team should be the manager

A really good manager will get more out of mediocre players as well as the better players than a mediocre/poor manager will

And there killie appointing an Italian who had been at Italy, Chelsea & juve. Hounded out by Kirk broadfoot and the media cause training didn’t just consist of running 

[DD1903]

2 hours ago, Studebaker-90 said:

What do you expect? We’ve been left to die by the billionaire television corporations who don’t give a toss about our game.
 

Sky tried to get us signed up in the early 90s, but we said no thanks. So they fully invested in england. When we did eventually get on board we were years behind. We then told sky to do one. before running back cap in hand asking for them to come back to us. They owe us nothing really 

 

what I will say is that sky's new(ish) owners (Comcast) want to move away from the model that sky has worked with for years - ie ploughing loads into football. 

[Millertime]

38 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

And there killie appointing an Italian who had been at Italy, Chelsea & juve. Hounded out by Kirk broadfoot and the media cause training didn’t just consist of running 

Exactly

It's a cultural thing in many ways, like Collins at hibs too

Le guen too

In that case, anyone who doesn't get on board gets shipped out

The only Scots we really have now are devlin and shinnie, so no problems in that regard 

[ericblack4boss]

And Hibs players hounded out John Collins, cause he wanted players fit, eating healthier and implementing coaching techniques he learned at Monaco 

[Joe pike]

5 hours ago, BaaBaaRedSheep said:

In the last week or so, over 2 legs, Hibernian, Huns, Hearts and us have shipped 8 goals, 7 goals, 6 goals and 5 goals respectively, performing relatively poorly in Europe. 

From a Dons perspective I thought our tactics were naive and open against a decent Haeken team, whose main striker, Sadiq, knew how to finish whereas one of ours, Duk, didn't. 

If the Scottish season was played February to November would our teams have performed better? Who knows but one thing is for sure the overall standard is not good enough at present. 

Again from a Dons point of view we have to look to the tactics we employ during a given match.

I appreciate that Robson is a young manager but he has to start learning quickly otherwise the outcomes will remain the same more often than not.

And if that is the case our European adventure will descend into a disaster. 

 

Europe 26 - Scotland 7

[englishred]

14 hours ago, BaaBaaRedSheep said:

In the last week or so, over 2 legs, Hibernian, Huns, Hearts and us have shipped 8 goals, 7 goals, 6 goals and 5 goals respectively, performing relatively poorly in Europe. 

From a Dons perspective I thought our tactics were naive and open against a decent Haeken team, whose main striker, Sadiq, knew how to finish whereas one of ours, Duk, didn't. 

If the Scottish season was played February to November would our teams have performed better? Who knows but one thing is for sure the overall standard is not good enough at present. 

Again from a Dons point of view we have to look to the tactics we employ during a given match.

I appreciate that Robson is a young manager but he has to start learning quickly otherwise the outcomes will remain the same more often than not.

And if that is the case our European adventure will descend into a disaster. 

 

I don't think summer football is the answer , the problem is as you say due to the Standard of the league.  The only way that will improve is down to investment.  Lets be clear though i watch Portuguese football ( who have a league similar to us in that only 3 teams can win it)  and the main difference though is when the "small" clubs play the "big" teams they actually have composure on the ball and don't just hoof it clear and gift back possession. 

Personally i am all for radical changes to the league up here to try and create something more interesting to get a slightly better tv deal ect.  scotland is never going to get the same as the rest as it just doesn't have the pull but it can be improved.  A  bigger league with end of season play offs for the european spots would be a start.  

I do think something will change in the next 10 years or so mainly due to the fact even Rangers and Celtic are struggling at the top now.  I know Rangers got to the europa final 2 years ago but i think both ckubs will start to struggle at that level too with the way european football is structured.  If they are really suffering i think it will at very least get thm talking about changing something

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Agree.  Not convinced summer football is the answer, and, in a common theme, we’d need to do more research than asking two Clubs if they’d like to.

Share others concerns.  I have the same expectation they’ll get out, somehow, but you know the paranoid bastards will try to maintain Scottish domination also.

[Fridge]

4 hours ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

Agree.  Not convinced summer football is the answer, and, in a common theme, we’d need to do more research than asking two Clubs if they’d like to.

Share others concerns.  I have the same expectation they’ll get out, somehow, but you know the paranoid bastards will try to maintain Scottish domination also.

It’s still a joke that the two of them can vote anything out. That must be about the most corrupt thing in football.