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Right I know I'm likely to take a lot of stick for this but hear me out...

First off the simple fact is we are not going to win the league anytime soon. Even if the cheeks are deprived of European money season after season they will still be miles ahead of us financially just through gate receipts etc.

What I do want to see though is Aberdeen reaching the league phase of European Competitions every season but with the way Scotland's ranking is going that's looking less and less likely.

For this season's league we have a chance since we are ranked 11th in the 2024 UEFA rankings which means...

The league winner will enter CL-PO and guaranteed at least EL-League Phase
2nd will enter at CL-Q2nc and not guaranteed any League Phase (but beating 1 of the Austrian, Swiss or Norwegian runners up will get them EL-League Phase)
CW/3rd will enter at EL-PO so guaranteed CONF-League Phase
3rd/4th will enter at EL-Q2 so would need to win 3 ties to reach EL or CONF League Phase
4th/5th will enter at CONF-Q2 so would need to win 3 ties to reach CONF League Phase

But this is where it gets worse, after the Hearts & Killie results tonight we are down to 16th place in the 2025 UEFA rankings (and likely 17th by this time next week), which would mean next season our clubs would enter as follows...

The league winner would enter at CL-Q2
CW/2nd will enter at EL-Q2
We'd only have have 2 other entrants either 2nd/3rd or 3rd/4th who would both enter at CONF-Q2 needing to win 3 ties to reach the League Phase.

So like it or not as Dons fans it is in our interest for the cheeks and Hearts to do reasonably well in Europe this season if we want to make inroads into Europe in the coming years.

With the new format this season the top 24 in each competition's league phase make it to either the knockout playoff round or the last 16 and all 3 Scottish clubs actually have a chance...

Celtic are seeded 25th in the CL
Huns are seeded 5th in the EL
Hearts potentially seeded 24th in CONF

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2 minutes ago, The Boofon said:

Not this season.

I'm more than happy to see them next season. Could not give one flying fuck what round they start in as we'll be winning it regardless.

When we finish 2nd next season wouldn't you rather us be in the Champions League qualifiers than the Conference League qualifiers?

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1 minute ago, Reed or deed said:

And debating shite on here plays what part of that?

Do West Ham have a chance of winning their league? NO!

But seem to recall they won a European trophy recently

Like it or not the only way a club like ours can compete in Europe is by other teams in our league putting in a good performance.

Maybe love your team more than you hate the others.

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1 minute ago, Footballs coming Rome said:

The coefficient is the coefficient. If we cannot beat teams in qualification rounds to get into the league format we don’t deserve to be there. Getting a free pass into the league only to be hammered every week is crap. 

 

But shouldn't the other teams in our league make it easier for us?

I'm actually jealous of Hearts this season as they could get to the knockout playoff round, we need that that next season so bad

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7 minutes ago, Footballs coming Rome said:

Nope. We make it easier for us. 

So Cheeks and Hearts lose all their euro games...

We finish 2nd in the league next season we enter CONF-Q2

But if they win some games we might enter at CL-Q2

Is that so hard to understand?

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55 minutes ago, Medw1311 said:

When we finish 2nd next season wouldn't you rather us be in the Champions League qualifiers than the Conference League qualifiers?

Winning the league mate. 2nd is failure. Negative cunts like you to blame for the recent downfall in success.

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1 hour ago, Medw1311 said:

 

So like it or not as Dons fans it is in our interest for the cheeks to do reasonably well in Europe

No. It's not. It's in our interests for them to get pumped. Why the hell would we want Celtic to be getting £30m out of the champions league and further increasing the financial inequality in the Scottish game and thereby making it even harder for Aberdeen (the team we support) to actually win something? 

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The thing is yes Scotland's co-efficient is and will be crap unless we fix the fucking whole set up of our game. Wishing good vibes to the Diet Huns, the real Huns, or The Tims, does nothing for that it just enforces those that control our game .

Its never gonna get better.

It is not as if we are so small. Attendance figures per head of population are very good. WE just need to change the whole set up.

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3 minutes ago, The Boofon said:

Winning the league mate. 2nd is failure. Negative cunts like you to blame for the recent downfall in success.

I admire your optimism was thinking 3rd season before Jimmy won us the league but hey ho. Regardless we won't get champions league groups cause of other scottish teams  

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3 minutes ago, Parklife said:

No. It's not. It's in our interests for them to get pumped. Why the hell would we want Celtic to be getting £30m out of the champions league and further increasing the financial inequality in the Scottish game and thereby making it even harder for Aberdeen (the team we support) to actually win something? 

We will never win the league even if they never got european money they will still have more money than us just through gate receipts, so maybe we make our ambition to be in the euro leagues every year but unfortunately we need them to do that

 

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25 minutes ago, Footballs coming Rome said:

By beating teams and having the confidence to win games. Not just being happy to be there and parking the bus. 

This.  This is the bit that needs addressed and thats fuck all to do with a coefficient.  We have a league that is incredibly difficult bordering on institutionally impossible to come 2nd.  But unless someone hits a purple patch, gets lucky with bringing through AND RETAINING a crop of youths and/or has a sugar daddy to chuck in some loose change (£5m per year minimum) the crucial 3-5th positions aren't actually that difficult to get.  Not a good enough squad to do anything in Europe esp in later QRs but enough to settle in to a comfortable top 6.

Yes some sides (McInnes 17) have been unlucky with co-efficient related draws.  But we cant say we're unlucky every year with them.  For every team.  At some point someone has to man up and admit we're not good enough and a/ question why that is and b/ have an ability and a willingness to do something about it.

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28 minutes ago, Medw1311 said:

So Cheeks and Hearts lose all their euro games...

We finish 2nd in the league next season we enter CONF-Q2

But if they win some games we might enter at CL-Q2

Is that so hard to understand?

You don’t seem to grasp what I’m saying. 
We finish second (unlikely but love the optimism) and we enter the conference 😭😭😭. If we are way better than that conference pish competition and deserve to be in Europa or CL then we pump all the teams in that conference 🥳🥳🥳. The coefficient goes up and we show we deserve to be up there with the big boys ️. 
This is in our control and we are trying to get there with the vision of Dave with his cormack coin player trading model. 
 

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5 minutes ago, Medw1311 said:

We will never win the league even if they never got european money they will still have more money than us just through gate receipts, so maybe we make our ambition to be in the euro leagues every year but unfortunately we need them to do that

 

Assuming they turn up.  I wonder why they keep turning up?

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11 minutes ago, Parklife said:

No. It's not. It's in our interests for them to get pumped. Why the hell would we want Celtic to be getting £30m out of the champions league and further increasing the financial inequality in the Scottish game and thereby making it even harder for Aberdeen (the team we support) to actually win something? 

Cause if they get pumped we'll never be in europe, you thnk we have a chance to win the league? It's never going to happen. European league stages should be our ambition for now

 

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8 minutes ago, Footballs coming Rome said:

You don’t seem to grasp what I’m saying. 
We finish second (unlikely but love the optimism) and we enter the conference 😭😭😭. If we are way better than that conference pish competition and deserve to be in Europa or CL then we pump all the teams in that conference 🥳🥳🥳. The coefficient goes up and we show we deserve to be up there with the big boys ️. 
This is in our control and we are trying to get there with the vision of Dave with his cormack coin player trading model. 
 

So you'd rather we finished 2nd and enter the conference league rather than the cheeks had a couple of wins and we entered the champions league

 

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The coefficient is all very well but Celtic and Sevco get huge amounts of money from Europe every year and that is one of the factors screwing up our league.

They could a solidarity payment where 25% of all proceeds from European competitions of all spl clubs are redistributed across the top league evenly.

That would improve our league and give Scottish teams more of a chance in Europe as a result.

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