International Eligibility

[cgs1706]

What does everyone think about these eligibility rules? I'm all for the Scots team doing well - but I hate hearing English accents when 'Scots' are being interviewed. Obviously there are some cases where that's just someone moving away from Scotland at a young age, but we can use Nigel Quashie as an example...

 

Just been thinking about it after all the Chris Armstrong, James Morrison and Andrew Carroll chit chat. Does anyone know what Carroll's actual eligibility is? No reports I've seen have mentioned if it's a Scottish parent/grandparent/was born here...?

[TheChimp]

Who, who and who?!

[OddJob]

Chris Armstrong

The ex spurs forward?

[cgs1706]

Who, who and who?!

 

Chris Armstrong - Sheff Utd

James Morrison - 'Boro

 

Both thought to be getting call-ups.

 

Andrew Carroll - Newcastle (called up to U19 squad but Steve McLaren wants him for England)

[Henry]

as long as Scotland are the only team that gains from these rules, then I, and seemingly most other Scotland fans, are all for it.

 

f*cking Aiden McGeady

[minijc]

The guy fae Boro wants to play for us so there is no harm in getting him in a scotland shirt is there? He plays for Boro regulary so must be pretty decent and he is a type of play scotland lacks, as for the other 2 not too sure on them.

[BTR]

Morrison's dad is Scottish, so there's nothing wrong with that. Dunno much about the other two.

 

My three cousins were all brought up/born in teh Channel Islands (oldest was born in Aberdeen though), all speak with thick English accents but all three regard themselves Scottish due to having Scottish parents. Your own nationality is what your parents' is, domicile is a different matter. This is what legal statutes say anyway.

 

i don't agree with the granny rule though.

[hebrewdon]

Morrison's dad is Scottish, so there's nothing wrong with that. Dunno much about the other two.

 

My three cousins were all brought up/born in teh Channel Islands (oldest was born in Aberdeen though), all speak with thick English accents but all three regard themselves Scottish due to having Scottish parents. Your own nationality is what your parents' is, domicile is a different matter. This is what legal statutes say anyway.

 

i don't agree with the granny rule though.

 

I don't either that means my daughters could represent England............................f*ck that

[Monkey]

Sure Armstrong qualifies through grandfather... :thumbs:

 

But he played for England in Toulon Tourney and FA are saying we can't have him coz they want to keep him.

 

SFA say Toulon isn't an official tournament according to the rules and so we can....

[cgs1706]

Morrison's dad is Scottish, so there's nothing wrong with that. Dunno much about the other two.

 

i don't agree with the granny rule though.

 

Cool - didn't realise he had a Scottish parent. For me, it's the grandparent rule that's annoying too.

[Sonoftherock]

Morrison is the best of the bunch anyway, he's the only one I would want for Scotland anyway.

[Baggy89]

Right, I don't often admit this but...

 

I was born in England, my Dads work took him to England for a few years and I ended up being born there, I don't remember being born there as we moved home before I could walk, talk, or was even a year old. I consider myself 100% Scottish, my Dad is Scottish as were his Mam and Dad , and their Mam and Dad before, the same on my Mams side.

Now I live in England and my wee boy was born here, his mam is Irish, and all her family are Irish. In effect the boy has not a drop of English blood in him, and I fully intend to bring him so that he is completely aware of that.

Now barring the argument that he could play for Ireland, the only way, technically, he could play for Scotland is through the Granny rule. Would that be so wrong if he turns out to be the Scottish George Best or whatever.

[cgs1706]

Right, I don't often admit this but...

 

I was born in England, my Dads work took him to England for a few years and I ended up being born there, I don't remember being born there as we moved home before I could walk, talk, or was even a year old. I consider myself 100% Scottish, my Dad is Scottish as were his Mam and Dad , and their Mam and Dad before, the same on my Mams side.

Now I live in England and my wee boy was born here, his mam is Irish, and all her family are Irish. In effect the boy has not a drop of English blood in him, and I fully intend to bring him so that he is completely aware of that.

Now barring the argument that he could play for Ireland, the only way, technically, he could play for Scotland is through the Granny rule. Would that be so wrong if he turns out to be the Scottish George Best or whatever.

 

Ok. I had never thought of it like that. I just hate it when you get a guy who seems to have never thought of playing for Scotland - but just because his Gran was born here he'll give it a crack. You need players who dream to play for their country. Your son, will will be one of those it would seem.

[10MenWent2Mow]

is it not about time that Chris Iwelumo got a call up.

[cgs1706]

is it not about time that Chris Iwelumo got a call up.

 

Damn right, actually!

[robbo]

the bird tells me armstrong plays for shefield united. i think we should all bow down that a girl has bested us.

 

carroll plays for newcastle - i say plays, 1 appearance so far as far as i can tell

[Sonoftherock]

is it not about time that Chris Iwelumo got a call up.

 

I've seen a fair amount of him on TV this season, highlights only I might add, and he appears to be a carthorse of Kevin Kyle proportions!

 

I'd rather see Garry O'Connor given another chance.

[Monkey]

There was a bit in the paper the other day about Armstrong's possible call up but also mentioned was the fact that Nick Montgomery (Sheffield Utd midfielder) might also get a call up for the Austria game.

[TheChimp]

I'm pissed off with the fact that just because someone plays in England then they must be better than anyone that plays in Scotland.

 

f*ck the grandparents rule. Unless they're willing to run through a brick wall for Scotland then they should f*ck off.

[boaby]

IMO nationality is a state of mind as much as anything.

 

I have no problem with the granny rule as long as the player in question has chosen the nation because he sees himself as native, rether than as a fall-back option.

 

Accents are irrelevant.

 

I'd even say birth-place is irrelevant. As has been described by those such as Baggy.

 

Motivation to play internatonal football should come from a pride and desire to represent your nation. If a player wants to play for Scotland for a different reason then they can f*ck off.

 

It's hard to take when some wee radge like McGeady decides to play for a different country, but if they see themselves as being a different nationality then both parties are better off without the other.