Liverpool fans

[K-9]

At it again. After Hillsbrough they once again attempt to surge through security gates endangering lives. Difference this time is police had them under control and attempts failed.

 

Plenty trouble at full time in Athens though with bottles, cans, stones, chairs and even tables being thrown between sets of fans!!

[E-P-K]

Had to laugh.

 

Before the game there was a group of around 20 liverpool fans fighting, With them selfs.

 

There was one spare ticket for the match.

 

I have a vision of a royal rumble type fight with last man standing goes to the game.

 

Several were hospitalised.

 

[TheChimp]

Tough sh*t.

 

English fans = scum.

 

Listening to Radio 5 just now and they re going mental. No English fault apparently. Greek police too heavy handed.

 

Like us at Ibrox then.

[brownie]

At it again. After Hillsbrough they once again attempt to surge through security gates endangering lives. Difference this time is police had them under control and attempts failed.

 

Plenty trouble at full time in Athens though with bottles, cans, stones, chairs and even tables being thrown between sets of fans!!

 

Im just fed up with their constant blaming of everyone else for their fans actions.

 

Heysel: Bad stadium and the police.

 

Hillsborough : The police control that day.

[Milners]

The guy in the sumo suit :D

 

 

 

[Guest Stoney]

Liverpool fans once again digracing themselves.

 

Not only risking the lives of their own fans AGAIN, attacking supporters of another team for what appears to be judging by pictures and message boards for no reason.

 

Vermin

[glasgow sheep]

While the Liverpool fans obviously have to take alot of the blame questions have to be asked about security.

 

I'm sure I heard they had 8 rings of security around the stadium yet folk without tickets and with forgeries got in. Did I also hear that 20,000 extra folk got into the stadium? If so how the f*ck did that happen in this day and age? Absolutely ridiculous and if I were UEFA I wouldn't allow Greece to hold another final for some time.

 

Doesn't excuse the behaviour of Liverpool fans but tbh they should have expected it and been prepared. Blame has to go to UEFA and LFC for the small minority of tickets that went directly to fans of each team.

 

Finally when did folk start going to football games in such large numbers even though they have no tickets? There have always been a few but in recent years we have seen 1000s travelling for club and international games, often ending with trouble similar to last night. Did it all start when 1,363,454, 463,986 celtic fans went to seville?

[vanderark14]

but remeber the english moto,

 

its not our fault, it was them or it was the police.

[The Hobbit]

Seems a bit churlish to single out LIverpool fans as being scum. No more so than any other to be honest.

 

Dutch, Scottish, English, Italian, Spanish.

 

All at it this season.

[Monkey]

I don't think the problem is limited to LFC fans, it's just as prevalent among other English teams when they travel abroad. Leeds when they were "Big" always had problems when they played in the Eastern part of Europe. Man Utd had the "incident" this season as well.

 

A lot has to do with where the games are. It appears that trouble is more likely to happen in certain countries. Whether that is due to the attitude or stance taken by the local police force, the hospitality of the locals or other more obscure reasons such as the availability of alcohol?

 

The common factor may be the "english abroad" syndrome.

 

To be a bit blut is it not that the football fans of some clubs are more "working class" "beer and a fry up" type of traveller who are pumped up on testosterone and think that they are the dogs?

 

Group them all together throw in hot weather and beer and the mob rules.

[vanderark14]

Seems a bit churlish to single out LIverpool fans as being scum. No more so than any other to be honest.

 

Dutch, Scottish, English, Italian, Spanish.

 

All at it this season.

 

 

unfortunately this is true, when scottis fans normally go abraod they behave but rangers fans on the other hand.

[Westendorfer]

Fair play to the UEFA spokesman!

 

"Former Conservative leader Michael Howard was at the game and he said: "I didn't think the match should have been held at the stadium.

 

"It's not a football stadium and is not equipped to cope with that number of people.

 

"Ticket checks were a joke. Many people with valid tickets were not allowed in.

 

"That is not acceptable and Uefa really need to look at their procedures and make sure everything is all in order.

 

"As far as I'm aware no-one was hurt, and that's a mercy, but it's no thanks to the Greek authorities, and I'm afraid there was a large measure of incompetence."

 

But Gaillard responded: "It is very easy to say it is not a suitable stadium, coming from the man that invented the poll tax. "

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ool/6686867.stm

[Monkey]

Fair play to the UEFA spokesman!

 

"Former Conservative leader Michael Howard was at the game and he said: "I didn't think the match should have been held at the stadium.

 

"It's not a football stadium and is not equipped to cope with that number of people.

 

"Ticket checks were a joke. Many people with valid tickets were not allowed in.

 

"That is not acceptable and Uefa really need to look at their procedures and make sure everything is all in order.

 

"As far as I'm aware no-one was hurt, and that's a mercy, but it's no thanks to the Greek authorities, and I'm afraid there was a large measure of incompetence."

 

But Gaillard responded: "It is very easy to say it is not a suitable stadium, coming from the man that invented the poll tax. "

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ool/6686867.stm

 

Was it not the Olympic stadium? So clearly not designed for big crowds then...

 

 

Love the quote from Gaillard.

[baku-red]

Dont think the whole blame should lie with Liverpool fans but after putting up with their hollier than thou attitude (almost as bad as celtic) for years and there constant out pouring of grief and remorce at any incident it is suprising to see the idiots havent learned any lessons. To go on and on about hillsborough and then charge on mass into a stadium without tickets is disgusting.

Also didnt someone say the new wembley wont be able to host a champions league final and if thats correct what criteria can they possibily have for their stadium?.

[Douchebag]

If you ask me, these foreign police seem to relish getting their batons out and bashing Brits over the head... they dont need much invitation

 

we saw that in France with ManU the fans were trying to escape the crush and the French police are bashing f*ck out of the escapees

 

Fact is, ill come out and say it, Europe is one big club, and were not invited... they f*ckin hate us... and the refs being against us, police being heavy handed, UEFA being corrupted against UK teams... all have some substance to them.

 

Even going back to Hysel... I remember the Juve fans were firing guns, throwing half bricks on the pitch etc and doing as much hooliganism as Liverpool, but what happens, all UK clubs got banned for 5 years and Juve got let off free gratis??

 

Funny bout that time the Euro clubs couldnt buy a win in the Euro Cup we were winning everything, they used Hysel to stifle UK football as it was too dominant and they didnt like it...

[baku-red]

If you ask me, these foreign police seem to relish getting their batons out and bashing Brits over the head... they dont need much invitation

 

we saw that in France with ManU the fans were trying to escape the crush and the French police are bashing f*ck out of the escapees

 

Fact is, ill come out and say it, Europe is one big club, and were not invited... they f*ckin hate us... and the refs being against us, police being heavy handed, UEFA being corrupted against UK teams... all have some substance to them.

 

Even going back to Hysel... I remember the Juve fans were firing guns, throwing half bricks on the pitch etc and doing as much hooliganism as Liverpool, but what happens, all UK clubs got banned for 5 years and Juve got let off free gratis??

 

Funny bout that time the Euro clubs couldnt buy a win in the Euro Cup we were winning everything, they used Hysel to stifle UK football as it was too dominant and they didnt like it...

 

I think Liverpool and other English clubs previous caused the ban after Heysel not the incident alone. Why they chose to accept all the blame and kiss Juves ass when they came to anfield a few seasons back is beyond me. Juve were just as bad if not worse in that incident.

[stonefish100]

If you ask me, these foreign police seem to relish getting their batons out and bashing Brits over the head... they dont need much invitation

 

we saw that in France with ManU the fans were trying to escape the crush and the French police are bashing f*ck out of the escapees

 

Fact is, ill come out and say it, Europe is one big club, and were not invited... they f*ckin hate us... and the refs being against us, police being heavy handed, UEFA being corrupted against UK teams... all have some substance to them.

 

Even going back to Hysel... I remember the Juve fans were firing guns, throwing half bricks on the pitch etc and doing as much hooliganism as Liverpool, but what happens, all UK clubs got banned for 5 years and Juve got let off free gratis??

 

Funny bout that time the Euro clubs couldnt buy a win in the Euro Cup we were winning everything, they used Hysel to stifle UK football as it was too dominant and they didnt like it...

 

Eh?

 

That rant is so paranoid I could have sworn it came from a Celtic fan!

 

The foreign police do not relish getting the batons out for UK teams, the fans of these teams relish starting aggro. Their reputation proceeds them.

 

I've seen loads of games abroad involving non UK teams and they police never have to get the batons out. UK, well English fans actually, are by far and away the worst behaved. And no amount of media/FA cover up can hide that fact.

[Douchebag]

Eh?

 

That rant is so paranoid I could have sworn it came from a Celtic fan!

 

The foreign police do not relish getting the batons out for UK teams, the fans of these teams relish starting aggro. Their reputation proceeds them.

 

I've seen loads of games abroad involving non UK teams and they police never have to get the batons out. UK, well English fans actually, are by far and away the worst behaved. And no amount of media/FA cover up can hide that fact.

 

 

As Im talking about a third party, as in im scottish not english, I dont supposrt the english or am i trying to defend them, so I dont see how you can call it paranoid, maybe if I was reffering to "us" or "Aberdeen" but Im taking an objective viewpoint here...

 

nice try

 

maybe what you mean to say is "I dont agree" why do you have to say some sh*t like that?

 

As far as your statement goes it utter bollocks sorry but if you want to throw insults about you obviously dont have a f*ckin clue if you think that hooliganism is as bad here as it once was? It used to be life in hands stuff going to a scottish game let alone english games about 20 years ago, now its total pussyville the football is so safe these days in the Uk

 

take a look on youtube for the dutch, rucssian, polish hooligan activities and you will see what sh*t you speak.

[Guest El Padre]

 

Three great things here....

 

1. The boy is wearing a sumo outfit for some reason

2. He hasn't dropped his can

3. The other boy still has his fag in his mouth, despite the scrap

 

 

:appl:

[Douchebag]

AS they are all laughing, even the boy getting a kicking on the ground, and is wearing a liverppol sumo outfit, being kicked by another liverpool fan, Im assuming this is a joke, r some kind of Liverpool love-in

[stonefish100]

As Im talking about a third party, as in im scottish not english, I dont supposrt the english or am i trying to defend them, so I dont see how you can call it paranoid, maybe if I was reffering to "us" or "Aberdeen" but Im taking an objective viewpoint here...

 

nice try

 

maybe what you mean to say is "I dont agree" why do you have to say some sh*t like that?

 

As far as your statement goes it utter bollocks sorry but if you want to throw insults about you obviously dont have a f*ckin clue if you think that hooliganism is as bad here as it once was? It used to be life in hands stuff going to a scottish game let alone english games about 20 years ago, now its total pussyville the football is so safe these days in the Uk

 

take a look on youtube for the dutch, rucssian, polish hooligan activities and you will see what sh*t you speak.

 

 

I'm not on about domestic games though, I'm on about when English fans travel abroad. There is always far more potential for violence with them than with other countries, and that is my opinion based on personal experience not some videos of foreign hoolies on Youtube. My point was why the f*ck would foreign police like to bash British folk over the head more than folk from any other country? A European-wide conspiracy against the UK? Nope, they mostly bring it on themselves with past and present behaviour.

 

And how can you be taking an objective viewpoint? In your original post you say, "we are not invited" and "they f*cking hate us"

 

Its you who lumped yourself in with them, not me.

[Douchebag]

Im just saying it as I see it... there were 3 incidents this year alone of British fans being battered by police (Lille, Roma, Athens) and ive yet to see any violence on the part of the fans... just over eager cops getting hammered into defencless, usually drunk, fans...

 

How many fans have been battered by British police recently?

[baku-red]

Im just saying it as I see it... there were 3 incidents this year alone of British fans being battered by police (Lille, Roma, Athens) and ive yet to see any violence on the part of the fans... just over eager cops getting hammered into defencless, usually drunk, fans...

 

How many fans have been battered by British police recently?

 

Different style of policing on the continent from the uk, they dont take any sh*te from anyone and when the UK fans start what can be good banter or just bad behaviour the police react as they would normaly. The police in paris for example are happy to let fly with the battons against their own countryman so why not against against foreign drunken mobs.

[vanderark14]

policing is different in all countries,

 

look at euro 2000, the belgians steamed in with vans mounted with water cannons at the slightest hint of noise whilst the dutch played it cool and had a laugh with the visitors and had a quiet word if anything looked like it was going to escalate and had no trouble at all.

[JimmyJimmy]

Hahahaha, well spotted Padre.

 

 

Its only the morning after the CL final and already I'm getting sick of the sob-stories from the Liverpool 'victims' who were denied entry to the stadium despite having legitimate tickets. It was their own scum fans who got entry with forgeries in the 1st place - so they are hardly blameless! I think they should be looking closer to home to sort out the real problems.

 

My guess is that if Liverpool won the CL we wouldn't be hearing about any of this 'foreign policing' nonsense.

[brownie]

Hahahaha, well spotted Padre.

Its only the morning after the CL final and already I'm getting sick of the sob-stories from the Liverpool 'victims' who were denied entry to the stadium despite having legitimate tickets. It was their own scum fans who got entry with forgeries in the 1st place - so they are hardly blameless! I think they should be looking closer to home to sort out the real problems.

 

My guess is that if Liverpool won the CL we wouldn't be hearing about any of this 'foreign policing' nonsense.

 

 

exactly, but remember these are the fans who blamed everyone but themselves for hillsborough and heysel.

[vanderark14]

exactly, but remember these are the fans who blamed everyone but themselves for hillsborough and heysel.

 

liverpool fans are very similar to old firm fans in that its always someone else who did it!

[Douchebag]

dont know if you can expect any drunken football crowd to "self-police" themselves

 

wold any mob behave any different if the policing is a joke...

 

we all know places like Athens are a kick in the pants off of the 3rd world in reality

 

their police are a joke and everything they do is a shambles...

 

how can this be liverpool fans fault if they are allowed to waltz into the stadium with photocopied tickets... personally id blame the match organiers and the authorities for the shambles.

[sheep_shagger]

Its just going to have to end up with names being printed on tickets and having to have a passport etc to get into the ground. I know i would definitely be pissed off if i'd gone all that way with a legitimate ticket and didnt get into the ground.

[BobbyBiscuit]

dont know if you can expect any drunken football crowd to "self-police" themselves

 

wold any mob behave any different if the policing is a joke...

 

we all know places like Athens are a kick in the pants off of the 3rd world in reality

 

their police are a joke and everything they do is a shambles...

 

how can this be liverpool fans fault if they are allowed to waltz into the stadium with photocopied tickets... personally id blame the match organiers and the authorities for the shambles.

 

Have you not just answered your own question there?

 

At the end of the day, is it too much to ask for people to behave like adults and actually accept some sort of responsibility for their actions? It would certainly appear so, especially where Liverpool fans are involved.

 

Can I also ask how you know that everything Greek police do is a shambles?