RUL Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 He honestly won't, it's purely down to the shitter standard and it being more brutal down there Yeah but a striker scoring goals at that ratio is going to get a big move I reckon. Link to comment
BWG Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Wonder if we had the neck to put a sell on clause into the deal Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Wonder if we had the neck to put a sell on clause into the deal I bet we didn't But really we should insist on a sell on clause for every player sold even if we are just selling them for a nominal fee. Look at what was paid for a waste of space like Aluko. Link to comment
G31DON Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I bet we didn't But really we should insist on a sell on clause for every player sold even if we are just selling them for a nominal fee. Look at what was paid for a waste of space like Aluko.You don't get money for a player in perpetuity with a sell on clause. Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 You don't get money for a player in perpetuity with a sell on clause. Aye, obviously not Aluko literally - I just used him as an example of how some fairly shite players are moving about for large sums of money down south. So even if we sell a guy for 100k we should stick a sell on clause in there because we just don't know what he might be sold for later on. Link to comment
Mr John Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Aye, obviously not Aluko literally - I just used him as an example of how some fairly shite players are moving about for large sums of money down south. So even if we sell a guy for 100k we should stick a sell on clause in there because we just don't know what he might be sold for later on. You make it sound like it's something the people at the club, who do that for a living, don't know about. Contracts are negotiated, so if the buyer doesn't want that clause, it doesn't go in, or the deal's off. Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 You make it sound like it's something the people at the club, who do that for a living, don't know about. Contracts are negotiated, so if the buyer doesn't want that clause, it doesn't go in, or the deal's off. I'm definitely not implying they don't know about it, but I am implying it would be easy not to bother pushing very hard for that sort of clause when we don't sell players very often and especially if the players are being sold pretty cheaply. Link to comment
BWG Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 These are the experts who didn't put a promotion clause into the deal with Bournemouth. Link to comment
spamspamspam Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 You don't get money for a player in perpetuity with a sell on clause.You can if there is another sell on clause in the sale. If the club that bought the player them sells him with a sell on clause the first club will get a percentage of any future income. Link to comment
Byrne Baby Byrne Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 These are the experts who didn't put a promotion clause into the deal with Bournemouth.For an out of contract player who would have left for a nominal tribunal fee anyway.... Link to comment
Byrne Baby Byrne Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Stockley for 100k was fucking terrific business by usCorrect. He was terrible, everyone thought it was great at the time. Memories are very short on here. See also, speaking about Sone Aluko like he was awful for us. Everyone was beating their meat for the best part of 4 years over that prick. He played in some very bad teams but was clearly a very good young player. Definitely a wanker though. 1 Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 For an out of contract player who would have left for a nominal tribunal fee anyway....It's still a valid point. Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Correct. He was terrible, everyone thought it was great at the time. Memories are very short on here. See also, speaking about Sone Aluko like he was awful for us. Everyone was beating their meat for the best part of 4 years over that prick. He played in some very bad teams but was clearly a very good young player. Definitely a wanker though.Firstly memories have nothing to do with the point about stockley, everyone is aware we were quite happy to get 100k for him and it's not really particularly relevant to the point being discussed - which is that the club should try to get sell on clauses for every player sold. There's no reason not to push for that and I seriously doubt buying clubs are too hard to deal with. As for Aluko, again it kind of misses the point being made, which is simply that he's a player we all know and have a measure of and a few years after leaving us he changed hands for millions. No one here would have predicted that future value when he left us. Point being we shouldn't underestimate the potential future value of a sell on fee. Link to comment
Chewie37 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Didn't we get some cash for Aluko as he was young enough to get us a development fee?or we were meant to at least? Link to comment
BWG Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I think we got fuck all for Aluko. Hun cunt. Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Didn't we get some cash for Aluko as he was young enough to get us a development fee?or we were meant to at least? I think maybe Aluko paid the development fee to us himself as the huns were skint again and couldn't be bothered following the rules on such things. Link to comment
cruzcampo3 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I think maybe Aluko paid the development fee to us himself as the huns were skint again and couldn't be bothered following the rules on such things.Once a Don always a Don 1 1 Link to comment
RAZOR Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Mind he just randomly fucked off to Nigeria without MM knowing and then claimed to have paid his own transfer fee to the Huns. Boy was a lunatic. Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Mind he just randomly fucked off to Nigeria without MM knowing and then claimed to have paid his own transfer fee to the Huns. Boy was a lunatic. Yep. Here it is https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/rangers-new-boy-sone-aluko-1087784 Link to comment
BWG Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Mind he just randomly fucked off to Nigeria without MM knowing and then claimed to have paid his own transfer fee to the Huns. Boy was a lunatic. He's just a scumbag. his entire family are. Look at the shite his sister pulled last year. Self serving cunts the lot of them. Link to comment
G31DON Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 You can if there is another sell on clause in the sale. If the club that bought the player them sells him with a sell on clause the first club will get a percentage of any future income.Are you saying a sell on sell on clause? Not sure if you are being serious or not. Link to comment
redone Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 These are the experts who didn't put a promotion clause into the deal with Bournemouth. For all we know about the negotiations (ie fuck all) , AFC maybe did ask for some add-ons like a sell-on clause and a promotion clause. They might even be written into the agreement between AFC and Bournemouth. But what we do know is that AFC were in a weak bargaining position Bournemouth pretty much had us over a barrel , seeing as Fraser had made it clear he'd be leaving us at the end of that season when his contract finished. So I reckon it's most likely that even if we asked for these add-ons , Bournemouth told us to bolt. £400K , one off payment, take it or leave it. And realistically we wouldn't have had much option other than to take it. Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 For all we know about the negotiations (ie fuck all) , AFC maybe did ask for some add-ons like a sell-on clause and a promotion clause. They might even be written into the agreement between AFC and Bournemouth. But what we do know is that AFC were in a weak bargaining position Bournemouth pretty much had us over a barrel , seeing as Fraser had made it clear he'd be leaving us at the end of that season when his contract finished. So I reckon it's most likely that even if we asked for these add-ons , Bournemouth told us to bolt. £400K , one off payment, take it or leave it. And realistically we wouldn't have had much option other than to take it. Negotiation skills. Something we may not have so much of when selling as we don't have much track record of selling on players. But if much smaller operations like Hamilton can pull it off we should be able to do so as well. As you say none of us really know the details of any transfer negotiations but personally I'm of the opinion its an area we can do better and we should be pushing hard not sitting back saying ah well its ok we got some money. A bit like scouting, which I think we do a reasonable job but can do more. That's how we get better as a club - we should expect ourselves to improve little by little in every single area. Link to comment
BWG Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 For all we know about the negotiations (ie fuck all) , AFC maybe did ask for some add-ons like a sell-on clause and a promotion clause. They might even be written into the agreement between AFC and Bournemouth. But what we do know is that AFC were in a weak bargaining position Bournemouth pretty much had us over a barrel , seeing as Fraser had made it clear he'd be leaving us at the end of that season when his contract finished. So I reckon it's most likely that even if we asked for these add-ons , Bournemouth told us to bolt. £400K , one off payment, take it or leave it. And realistically we wouldn't have had much option other than to take it. We have a sell on clause, but not a promotion one. The club confirmed we never asked for one. That just shows the level of incompetence. Link to comment
Mr John Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 For all we know about the negotiations (ie fuck all) , AFC maybe did ask for some add-ons like a sell-on clause and a promotion clause. They might even be written into the agreement between AFC and Bournemouth. But what we do know is that AFC were in a weak bargaining position Bournemouth pretty much had us over a barrel , seeing as Fraser had made it clear he'd be leaving us at the end of that season when his contract finished. So I reckon it's most likely that even if we asked for these add-ons , Bournemouth told us to bolt. £400K , one off payment, take it or leave it. And realistically we wouldn't have had much option other than to take it. Thank you. Link to comment
G31DON Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 We have a sell on clause, but not a promotion one. The club confirmed we never asked for one. That just shows the level of incompetence.They were in the 3rd division with a 12k seat stadium. They've far exceeded expectations. Link to comment
Reliablesource Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 We have a sell on clause, but not a promotion one. The club confirmed we never asked for one. That just shows the level of incompetence.Sack the board. Link to comment
BWG Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 They were in the 3rd division with a 12k seat stadium. They've far exceeded expectations.Aye after being bought by a billionaire. The club didn't even think to ask. This highlights how shit we were at dealing with transfer business at the time. Link to comment
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