Why Are We So Shit At Football?

[StandFree1982]

This is multiple choice as I don't believe there is a single reason why we've dropped so far in recent years.

 

Maybe stick down your selections in order here, just to see what are the biggest concerns.

 

Not that this survey will make a jot of difference to our game!!

[tup]

Lack of facilities obviously.

 

We are not shit at football, we just don't practice nearly enough, or as much as other countries.

 

Practice makes perfect.

[Dynamo]

I voted for everything except expectations.

[Huntlysheep]

The attitude & mentality players aren't intrested in playing for their countries anymore just their clubs. It's the clubs that pay the wages so i suppose it's the clubs that mean more to the players.

[tup]

There is little will to sort it out amongst parents etc.

 

Kids have become way too precious and are not allowed out to fend for themselves now.

 

So everything happens in the home, which is where subscriber TV comes in.

[Bluto10]

Lack of facilities obviously.

 

We are not shit at football, we just don't practice nearly enough, or as much as other countries.

 

Practice makes perfect.

 

here fishy fishy,....

 

chomp chomp chomp

[tup]

Bluto, please fuckoff, and leave this conversation to those who are actually involved in and therefore know the intricacies of localised football.

 

All you do is deride it, therefore your opinion is worth jack shit.

[tup]

The 'we are shit' thing applies to the here and now, if you are looking at the national team results only.

 

We are clearly not shit at football, any more than any other nation is shit.

 

Football is a sport whereby if you practice you become really good.

 

Our problem is a lack of practice. The 'we are shit' thing is just an insult to our kids, because we fail them, it's not their fault.

[fifered]

Very simply, our football is run by self interested imbeciles.

[tup]

It is certainly a societal problem for sure.

[fifered]

 

Very simply, our football is run by self interested imbeciles.

This is very true but it's not the main reason why Scotland are in freefall.

For me this is the root of the problem. All other things like facilities, coaching, finances etc etc follow on from it. There is a reason why Barcelona produce so many good kids or why the German league is so successful or the Dutch punch way above their weight. It's all down to proper management at the highest level. I really can't see any change coming in Scotland for a long long time, we are infected at the highest levels by people who think we are all here to serve rangers and Celtic and people like Doncaster who deride our league at every opportunity when they should be working to improve it. Scottish football really is in a terrible state.

[Bluto10]

Bluto, please fuckoff, and leave this conversation to those who are actually involved in and therefore know the intricacies of localised football.

 

All you do is deride it, therefore your opinion is worth jack shit.

 

check out roidy!

 

tup, my football knowledge and experience is vastly superior to yours so im more than qualified to make sweeping genralisations concerning our game..

 

 

we have many problems in our game and our society which have resulted in perhaps the biggest fall from grace seen in football.

 

sadly i think our football std deserves to be derided.

i certainly cant see any reason in praising it.

can you?

[Tommy]

I lay a lot of the blame with the demand for people to have coaching certificates and

then so called experts coaching the natural ability out of a player so he can fit in

with a style to suit the coach.

[tup]

Certainly you can over-complicate Tommy.

 

But the main issue is that kids are not playing as much football. If you see the kids, they want to play, it's just circumstance prevents it.

 

So the issue is with our society as a whole, they removed neighbourhood green areas, they put up signs saying 'No Ball Games' and then left the kids high and dry, without providing an alternative.

[Bluto10]

Certainly you can over-complicate Tommy.

 

But the main issue is that kids are not playing as much football. If you see the kids, they want to play, it's just circumstance prevents it.

 

So the issue is with our society as a whole, they removed neighbourhood green areas, they put up signs saying 'No Ball Games' and then left the kids high and dry, without providing an alternative.

 

i used to play football on my street untillpeadophiles were invented.

 

we havent produced talent on a decent level since the 80s.

 

if they players then were midcareer, say 25, that means we as a nation stopped producing players from the 60s onward.

 

what happened then.

[tup]

It disna do any good to cry over spilt milk.

 

What we must do is address it going forward.

 

Provide the kids with an outlet, for instance 'Midnight Football' takes place locally, which happens at weekends between 10pm-12pm, great idea to keep kids out of trouble.

[Crossbow]

Certainly you can over-complicate Tommy.

 

But the main issue is that kids are not playing as much football. If you see the kids, they want to play, it's just circumstance prevents it.

 

So the issue is with our society as a whole, they removed neighbourhood green areas, they put up signs saying 'No Ball Games' and then left the kids high and dry, without providing an alternative.

 

This is in part true - thinking back to my childhood when the lads were off to sort out the Boers - the streets were free-er of cars and we would play on them . Couldn't really do that now, parking down both sides - no room to run or move - the old field we played on has become houses. So there are less open areas to play really locally but even where such open areas exist there appears to my older eyes to be less kids playing - I think we have less regular buy in as well as less facilities - there is not one thing that can be done that will solve it - but equally a number of things which could be done which will improve it. There are countries where it is done better and some leadership needs to come from the top - our football leaders are too busy worrying about sevco and the tims.

[fifered]

 

 

For me this is the root of the problem. All other things like facilities, coaching, finances etc etc follow on from it. There is a reason why Barcelona produce so many good kids or why the German league is so successful or the Dutch punch way above their weight. It's all down to proper management at the highest level. I really can't see any change coming in Scotland for a long long time, we are infected at the highest levels by people who think we are all here to serve rangers and Celtic and people like Doncaster who deride our league at every opportunity when they should be working to improve it. Scottish football really is in a terrible state.

I doubt that we disagree on substance with regard to this debate.

 

With regard to form however, I just thought it was the more logical position to say that we're shit at fitba cos we don't have enough kids playing the game. I totally agree that the administrators are fucking useless pricks who are killing the game in Scotland. But the administrators didn't really affect anything back in the 50's, 60's and 70's when the demand was so strong and every kid played football.

 

To blame the imbeciles exclusively and not acknowledge the simple logic I offer is not to see and think with clarity.

You are probably right about the number of kids, the old argument about there being other things to grab their attention now like computer games often gets trotted out. I don't know if it's that or if society is just more lazy in general, folk getting fatter, parents taking less responsibility for what their kids are up to and to many people expecting things handed to them on a plate. Those all lead to bigger arguments about our society as a whole though. If there is a problem in society then unfortunately I don't think we have the people running the game nationally or at each individual club to fight against that for the good of our game. They'll just keep fighting for their own little but over an ever decreasing product.

[Bluto10]

It disna do any good to cry over spilt milk.

 

What we must do is address it going forward.

 

Provide the kids with an outlet, for instance 'Midnight Football' takes place locally, which happens at weekends between 10pm-12pm, great idea to keep kids out of trouble.

come on tup, your turning this into one of your rant all about me threads.

 

its very important to know why we are where we are. only then can we begin to move fwd

[tup]

Correct Crossbow, football is utterly obsessed by money, yet none of it helps football.

 

Bizarre.

[Bluto10]

money is not the cause although it is a modern day problem but our issues existed before money

[King Street Loon]

Does Stirling Uni not have a state of the art spurts facility which they are trying to entice the SFA towards.

Heard something about it this morning on the radio, bit didn't catch it all.

[RTYD]

I'm quite convinced if the Bigots were no longer in Scotland then the national team would recover.

[Henry]

Does Stirling Uni not have a state of the art spurts facility which they are trying to entice the SFA towards.

 

 

[RTYD]

Does Stirling Uni not have a state of the art spurts facility which they are trying to entice the SFA towards.

Heard something about it this morning on the radio, bit didn't catch it all.

You thinking about Mini's sock again?

[Jocky Balboa]

Good points from RS, as always.

 

I question those who point towards inadequate coaching, as the sheer number of first-class Managers we have always produced contradicts that (look how many Scots currently manage in the EPL right now).

 

The system as a whole is rotten to the core and needs a complete overhaul.

[tup]

I'm quite convinced if the Bigots were no longer in Scotland then the national team would recover.

 

As am I, they have utterly ruined Scottish football to be frank.

[StandFree1982]

I'm going to stick my neck out and say the drinking culture and society as a whole in Scotland is the biggest culprit in the downfall in Scottish football, international and SPL / SFL. You just need to look at players such as Riorden, O'Conner, Maquire, Griffiths and the like to see how having a shite attitude and thinking your billy big balls will inevitably kill your career. Fair enough, once you've achieved something in your career then you can act like a knob, but not when you've played a few games for a SPL club and suddenly think you've "made it".

[tup]

Yet drink was worse in the 70's and 80's when we produced great players, the likes of Champagne Charlie for instance.

 

These lads liked a drink, they were also excellent players however.

 

So I don't think drinking is anything new and is probably slightly less of an issue now than it used to be.

 

The facility issue is excluding working class children from football, that's the crux of it.

[Redstar]

Yet drink was worse in the 70's and 80's when we produced great players, the likes of Champagne Charlie for instance.

 

These lads liked a drink, they were also excellent players however.

 

So I don't think drinking is anything new and is probably slightly less of an issue now than it used to be.

 

The facility issue is excluding working class children from football, that's the crux of it.

Did fatty Harper not used to down a double as he was leaving the dressing room before kick off...never did him any harm