Out Of Contract

[Sonoftherock]

2 hours ago, RAZOR said:

Strange position we're in. It's likely Barron, Lewis, Ngwenya, Polvara, Stewart and Roberts will all be moving on as well.

Vinny and Morris 🤷‍♂️

Going to be some amount of intakes coming in this summer with a big squad needed for Europe.

Near enough two matches a week until Christmas. Going to need to be a busy summer. With so many new comers it’s Going to be a massive challenge for the management team to build a team which will need to be competitive from the off.

[Andy_123]

15 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

Fox is a weird one.

How does he expect to get a coaching job without moving?

Wondered that myself. Aberdeen’s commutable from Dundee (assume that’s where he stays?) as well, although I couldn’t be arsed doing that every day.

[Helmet]

2 hours ago, RAZOR said:

Strange position we're in. It's likely Barron, Lewis, Ngwenya, Polvara, Stewart and Roberts will all be moving on as well.

Vinny and Morris 🤷‍♂️

Going to be some amount of intakes coming in this summer with a big squad needed for Europe.

I reckon one or two of those will stay, but hard to know which!

Would be good to see Lewis to announce retirement. No disrespect to him but he's looks shot, time to pack it in and become a coach or open a pub.

[thurso]

1 hour ago, dj_bollocks said:

You'd be thinking about a squad of 30 to compete in Europe and at home ?

There's 20 there. Not all will hopefully still be there come September 1st but if that +10 were what we were playing with it looks like we'd need:

Goalie +1 

Defenders + 4

Midfielders (mainly wingers) +3/4

Strikers +1

But I sincerely hope that a number of these players will be off before the window "slams shut".

 

There is no way we will have a squad of 30. It will be 25 max

[The Gee Man]

56 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

Fox is a weird one.

How does he expect to get a coaching job without moving?

Kids could be at awkward exam times, that’s only lasting a few years

[The Gee Man]

Hopefully Lewis gets a proper statement if he’s departing 

[G man]

42 minutes ago, Andy_123 said:

Wondered that myself. Aberdeen’s commutable from Dundee (assume that’s where he stays?) as well, although I couldn’t be arsed doing that every day.

Could he become Docherty’s assistant at Dundee?

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

2 hours ago, Big Hat Logan said:

175 combined appearances and the best praise is one of them scored a goal at Ibrox?

Depressing really, also a concerning lack of decent talent coming through the youth setup. 

A winner to take us through in the Scottish cup. Would take some beating to be fair so not that depressing. 
 

but yes, one of the points of my post is they probably weren’t up to the standard but still got 175 chances

[RAZOR]

2 hours ago, Helmet said:

I reckon one or two of those will stay, but hard to know which!

 I was surprised to see Watkins go. Thought he was a reasonable squad filler. Maybe wanted game time though.

2 hours ago, Sonoftherock said:

Near enough two matches a week until Christmas. Going to need to be a busy summer. With so many new comers it’s Going to be a massive challenge for the management team to build a team which will need to be competitive from the off.

Absolutely. As @minijc has alluded to also, it's an inexperienced Management team we're relying on getting a lot of decisions right. That's not a dig at Robson and co, he deserved the job but it's a huge job all the same.

[Tord31]

3 minutes ago, RAZOR said:

 I was surprised to see Watkins go. Thought he was a reasonable squad filler. Maybe wanted game time though.

Absolutely. As @minijc has alluded to also, it's an inexperienced Management team we're relying on getting a lot of decisions right. That's not a dig at Robson and co, he deserved the job but it's a huge job all the same.

Certainly not surprised at Watkins going. He was a good footballer but his stats were absolute shite and he was likely on a decent wage since he came from the english championship

[torry_battery_ram]

5 hours ago, Granite95 said:

Would Hancock not have qualified as Home-Grown too? Surprised he wasnt kept on as looked decent enough in League Cup group stages (not best barometer) however maybe injury put a red flag to the club

Hancock is English and has been on loan at Arbroath and Stirling Albion so fails on both the home grown criteria and has exceeded the number of loans allowed (meant to be 1 loan between 15 and 21)

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

2 hours ago, Joe pike said:

Fox is a weird one.

How does he expect to get a coaching job without moving?

Maybe it’s more specific to Aberdeen and his mrs unfortunately caught a glimpse of union street 

[afc_blockhead]

13 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Maybe it’s more specific to Aberdeen and his mrs unfortunately caught a glimpse of union street 

His mrs liked Dundee though? 

[Granite95]

22 minutes ago, torry_battery_ram said:

Hancock is English and has been on loan at Arbroath and Stirling Albion so fails on both the home grown criteria and has exceeded the number of loans allowed (meant to be 1 loan between 15 and 21)

My understanding was that players counted so long as they were registered to a Scottish clubs between the ages of 15 and 21

GIven the loans would that not mean Barron, Milne + Ngwenya wouldn't qualify for home grown?

[torry_battery_ram]

6 minutes ago, Granite95 said:

My understanding was that players counted so long as they were registered to a Scottish clubs between the ages of 15 and 21

GIven the loans would that not mean Barron, Milne + Ngwenya wouldn't qualify for home grown?

Barron is fine if he's only been out on loan once which I think he has as I only remember him being on loan at Kelty Hearts.

The rules are confusing though so I may be wrong 

[Granite95]

17 minutes ago, torry_battery_ram said:

Barron is fine if he's only been out on loan once which I think he has as I only remember him being on loan at Kelty Hearts.

Was he not at Brechin the season before he went to Kelty?

Only go off the rules based off my experience playing footy man 😅

[Tord31]

Yea a home grown player has maximum of one loan which is a bit bizarre but I guess meant to prevent your Chelsea's etc hoarding players.

National player has 3 consecutive seasons between 15 and 21 in the country.

I'm not sure were too bothered about this. If we end up leaving out a fringe player from the squad then so be it.

[RAZOR]

58 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

Certainly not surprised at Watkins going. He was a good footballer but his stats were absolute shite and he was likely on a decent wage since he came from the english championship

Don't disagree re the stats but we have to be somewhat realistic though. Got a big squad to fill. 

[Granite95]

4 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

Yea a home grown player has maximum of one loan which is a bit bizarre but I guess meant to prevent your Chelsea's etc hoarding players.

National player has 3 consecutive seasons between 15 and 21 in the country.

I'm not sure were too bothered about this. If we end up leaving out a fringe player from the squad then so be it.

Ah right didn't realise that detail, does make sense but would rarely impact us

Can see us having a tight squad of maybe 20 or so in total, will likely have a few extra spaces if needed

[Medw1311]

8 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

Yea a home grown player has maximum of one loan which is a bit bizarre but I guess meant to prevent your Chelsea's etc hoarding players.

National player has 3 consecutive seasons between 15 and 21 in the country.

I'm not sure were too bothered about this. If we end up leaving out a fringe player from the squad then so be it.

The loan rule only applies to List B (Under 21s) does it not?

 

Article 45 Player lists

45.01

Each club is responsible for submitting to UEFA an A list of players (List A) and a B list of players (List B), duly signed by the club and verified, validated and additionally signed by its association. These lists must include the surname and first name, date of birth, shirt number and name, nationality and national registration date of all players to be fielded in the UEFA club competition in question, as well as the surname and first name of the head coach and first assistant coach. In addition, the lists must include confirmation by the club’s doctor that all players have undergone the requested medical examination; the club’s doctor is solely responsible for ensuring that the requested players’ medical examination has been duly performed.

45.02

No club may have more than 25 players on List A during the season. As a minimum, eight places are reserved exclusively for "locally trained players" and no club may have more than four "association-trained players" listed in these eight places on List A. List A must specify the players who qualify as being "locally trained", as well as whether they are "club-trained" or "association-trained". The possible combinations that enable clubs to comply with the List A requirements are set out in Annex H.

45.03

A "locally trained player" is either a "club-trained player" or an "association-trained player".

45.04

A "club-trained player" is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship) or of 36 months. In the context of this paragraph, the season immediately preceding a player’s 15th birthday may be counted if his birthday is after the last match of the relevant national championship but before or on 30 June (winter championships) or 31 December (summer championships), and the season immediately following his 21st birthday may be counted if his birthday is on or after 1 July (winter championships) or 1 January (summer championships) but before the first match of the relevant national championship.

45.05

An "association-trained player" is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been registered with a club or with other clubs affiliated to the same association as that of his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship) or of 36 months. In the context of this paragraph, the season immediately preceding a player’s 15th birthday may be counted if his birthday is after the last match of the relevant national championship but before or on 30 June (winter championships) or 31 December (summer championships), and the season immediately following his 21st birthday may be counted if his birthday is on or after 1 July (winter championships) or 1 January (summer championships) but before the first match of the relevant national championship.

45.06

If a club has fewer than eight locally trained players in its squad, then the maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly.

45.07

List A has to be submitted online by the following deadlines:

1. 4 August 2023 (24.00CET) for all matches in the third qualifying round;

2. 18 August 2023 (24.00CET) for all matches in the play-offs;

3. 4 September 2023 (24.00CET) for all further matches from the first match in the group stage up to and including the final.

45.08

For the qualifying phase and the play-offs, a club may register a maximum of two new eligible players on List A after the above-mentioned deadlines, provided the quota of locally trained players is respected. Such registration must be completed by 24.00CET on the day before the relevant first-leg match and the club’s association must confirm in writing that the new player is eligible to play at domestic level at this time.

45.09

If the registration of such a new player causes the number of players on List A to exceed 25, the club must remove a currently registered player to reduce the squad to 25 players again.

45.10

Each club is entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B during the season. The list must be submitted by no later than 24.00CET on the day before the match in question.

45.11

A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 2002 and since his 15th birthday has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years, or a total of three consecutive years with a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the participating club for the previous two years without interruption.

45.12

Each club must include at least two goalkeepers on List A and at least three in total (List A and List B combined).

45.13

With regard to the definition of a “season” to be found in Paragraph 45.04 to Paragraph 45.05 of these regulations, as far as the determination of “locally trained players” is concerned, the relevant dates to be taken into account are those of the respective national championship calendar as originally scheduled, i.e. the prolongation of a national championship calendar due to an extraordinary situation in the season 2019/20 is not taken into account. Furthermore, for the season 2020/21 the period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship is counted as full season regardless of the start and end date due to the extraordinary situation.

[1903Fitba]

Watkins finally gone. 
 

Buzzing. Might buy a season ticket now. 

[Russell]

Mason Hancock. That's a Cove Rangers name if ever I heard one

[Chester Don]

Re Liam Fox, I think there is a bit of Burrows influence here, essentially saying if you are a coach at Aberdeen I want you based in Aberdeen, which is fair enough. 

[RAZOR]

21 minutes ago, Russell said:

Mason Hancock. That's a Cove Rangers name if ever I heard one

I thought he looked decent in the LC Group Stages 

[Helmet]

2 hours ago, RAZOR said:

 I was surprised to see Watkins go. Thought he was a reasonable squad filler. Maybe wanted game time though.

Absolutely. As @minijc has alluded to also, it's an inexperienced Management team we're relying on getting a lot of decisions right. That's not a dig at Robson and co, he deserved the job but it's a huge job all the same.

Didn't quite do enough I think, and probably not the cheapest but of course it's a bit of a gamble getting someone else in.

Ideally a younger prospect with something to prove but easier said than done.

[Helmet]

It'll be interesting to see who they bring in to replace Fox (assuming they do)- I'd hope for some fresh ideas in the coaching team. 

[aberdeen1970]

5 hours ago, Joe pike said:

Fox is a weird one.

How does he expect to get a coaching job without moving?

Maybe getting a gig with Tony Doc at Dundee 

[Granite95]

52 minutes ago, Helmet said:

It'll be interesting to see who they bring in to replace Fox (assuming they do)- I'd hope for some fresh ideas in the coaching team. 

Assume they'd want someone to do the same role as Fox was tasked with (aiding in youth players being inegrated into the first team)

[Proud Dandy]

2 hours ago, RAZOR said:

Don't disagree re the stats but we have to be somewhat realistic though. Got a big squad to fill. 

We can pick a squad player like him up before the season starts if we are desperate to add to the squad.
 

Would have been depressing if we decided in mid June that we weren’t even attempting to improve on the players we have let go. 
 

Squad players should be a combination of younger players that are good enough to make an impact or older players whose game time needs managed (likes of Hayes). See no point retaining players that when called upon are known not to be good enough. 

[GeorgeStreetReds]

Any word on Joe Lewis going? His house was up for sale and apparently he was off.