Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[Redforever86]

I thought if we left the UK and therefore the EU in 2014 we'd NEVER BE ALLOWED TO REJOIN?

[Joe pike]

4 minutes ago, Redforever86 said:

I thought if we left the UK and therefore the EU in 2014 we'd NEVER BE ALLOWED TO REJOIN?

You better tell Sturgeon then.

[The beard of mcinnes]

Lots of ipsedixitism on this thread.

[The beard of mcinnes]

5 minutes ago, Redforever86 said:

I thought if we left the UK and therefore the EU in 2014 we'd NEVER BE ALLOWED TO REJOIN?

You know fully that that was not what was said.
 

[spamspamspam]

11 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

Why?

Because a government cant just decide their country is joining the EU and its done.

 

[Joe pike]

1 minute ago, spamspamspam said:

Because a government cant just decide their country is joining the EU and its done.

 

Obviously.

Their plan is to APPLY to rejoin.

[frankie_mac's_4]

BBC News - Alex Salmond launches new political party

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56539696

[Joe pike]

Alex Salmond on Sky just now announcing a new Independence Party for the Scottish elections.

The Alba Party.

Nicky won't be happy.

[Foster14]

This will be interesting. Alex Salmond's name will draw folk and they may get a few seats. Box office stuff seeing Sturgeon and Salmond thrash out a coalition! 

 

[Joe pike]

31 minutes ago, The beard of mcinnes said:

Lots of ipsedixitism on this thread.

Big word for AFC chat.

[Ten Caat]

42 minutes ago, Foster14 said:

This will be interesting. Alex Salmond's name will draw folk and they may get a few seats. Box office stuff seeing Sturgeon and Salmond thrash out a coalition! 

 

Or far more likely, his new party will abstract votes from the SNP in spite of their goal ultimately being the same. Possibly allowing Labour or the Tories to sneak wins in marginal seats.

And denying SNP an overall majority. You have to wonder if Salmond really wants independence or if he just wants to gain vengeance on Sturgeon/Murrell and to fuck with the consequences for something he has wanted all his life

[spamspamspam]

7 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

Or far more likely, his new party will abstract votes from the SNP in spite of their goal ultimately being the same. Possibly allowing Labour or the Tories to sneak wins in marginal seats.

And denying SNP an overall majority. You have to wonder if Salmond really wants independence or if he just wants to gain vengeance on Sturgeon/Murrell and to fuck with the consequences for something he has wanted all his life

Depends how he pitches it.

I think he'll go for list seats only. SNP1 Alba2. 

Going by last election votes he'd only need about 17000 second votes to get a seat in the Aberdeen area. 

If thats what he does then it could end up that independence supporting parties (Alba, ISP, the other one...) take all the list seats or get none of them at all because the split the 2nd vote too much. 

 

[Jocky Balboa]

3 hours ago, Ten Caat said:

Or far more likely, his new party will abstract votes from the SNP in spite of their goal ultimately being the same. Possibly allowing Labour or the Tories to sneak wins in marginal seats.

And denying SNP an overall majority. You have to wonder if Salmond really wants independence or if he just wants to gain vengeance on Sturgeon/Murrell and to fuck with the consequences for something he has wanted all his life

Alba are only standing in List seats and if the SNP support is anywhere near 2016 levels (hardly a great achievement mind you, given the pathetic opposition and 'perfect storm' of Westminster divisions) then 2nd votes for the SNP are largely a total waste, except in regions like the South of the country, which are Tory strongholds.

In other news, I heard rumours that Peak Wetfart fell through in his expensive briefs when Salmond held his press conference. The horror of it all, that the SNP may have to actually, you know, prioritise their MO for the first time in years, as opposed to having snouts in the trough... 

[caledonia]

7 hours ago, spamspamspam said:

Depends how he pitches it.

I think he'll go for list seats only. SNP1 Alba2. 

Going by last election votes he'd only need about 17000 second votes to get a seat in the Aberdeen area. 

If thats what he does then it could end up that independence supporting parties (Alba, ISP, the other one...) take all the list seats or get none of them at all because the split the 2nd vote too much. 

 

AFI have just stood down all 42 of their candidates 

 

[Yorston Vasey]

Salmond is the ex-Premier League player slumming it at West of Scotland Junior level still scrambling for relevance but confirming he is a spent force never to reach the heights once attained. A sad end to a once great political force.

[The Buzzard]

It's surely the greens that are likely to lose out most from another pro-independence party standing for list seats? 

[manboobs109]

I'm going to do both votes Salmond.

[caledonia]

3 hours ago, manboobs109 said:

I'm going to do both votes Salmond.

You can’t 

[Studebaker-90]

6 hours ago, The Buzzard said:

It's surely the greens that are likely to lose out most from another pro-independence party standing for list seats? 

I hope so. They’re a fucking disgrace. A group of lunatics. 

[Henry]

12 hours ago, Jocky Balboa said:

Peak Wetfart

Nippola Sturbum

[Clydeside_Sheep]

7 hours ago, The Buzzard said:

It's surely the greens that are likely to lose out most from another pro-independence party standing for list seats? 

Yes I agree.

They obviously know it too, given the strong reaction the Alba launch has provoked from them - especially Ross Greer.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

1 hour ago, Studebaker-90 said:

I hope so. They’re a fucking disgrace. A group of lunatics. 

Spot on.

Like all Green parties, the "green" bit is just a smokescreen and they are mainly concerned with the advancement of LGBT stuff, meaning their ranks inevitably contain sinister weirdos and perverts. 
They are the same the world over:

The German Green Party campaigned to legalise paedophilia in the 1980s.

In 2000, 2003 and 2010 English Green Party Candidate Gary Anderson was convicted of possessing child porn.

In 2018 fat man in drag "Aimee Challoner" (now Aimee Knight) recruited his father as election agent, despite his father having being convicted of the rape and torture of a 10 year old girl, while he himself was dressed in drag.  Challoner had to leave the greens and then joined the lib dems, but had to leave them in 2019 after paedophilic tweets appeared on his twitter (claimed to have been made by the man he later "married", a guy named Knight).

Every party has bad eggs at times (look at the SNP) but its very clear what the Greens are about and its not the environment.  Anyone voting for them should take a look at themselves.

Edit - Challoner has a brother who is also a "trans woman", and their vicious pervert father liked to dress in drag.  But they are "born that way" remember.

 

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Although I want to give my 2nd vote to the Scottish Family Party, I am almost tempted to vote for Salmond instead, as the thought of Green MSPs like Patrick Harvie and Ross Greer in the dole queue is absolutely delicious.  I can see me getting banned from Twitter over it already.

Greer would be unemployable, having dropped out of uni for an easy life on the Green list system wheeze.  Harvie could always return to being a rent boy (if he ever gave it up).

The indy vote is completely fracturing - there is now the SNP, Action for Independence (featuring the bourgeois bolshevik, convicted perjurer Tommy Sheridan), the Greens and now Alba. 

(Note how the landscape of the Indy parties is completely dominated by sleazeballs, many tainted by wrong doing and/or courtcases - Sturgeon, Sheridan, Salmond, Harvie.)

This can only be good for Scottish Politics, because hitherto the reason the SNP has been so successful is that they have been unified versus a Unionist vote split three ways.

I expect the SNP drones will still return that party as the biggest, but the list system will be interesting.  I sincerely hope the Greens are decimated, they are a sickness which needs eradicating.

Edit - I see our man with his finger on the crazed separatist scene, Caledonia, has posted above that AFI have stood down in light of Albas launch.  That is even worse news for the Greens! 

[caledonia]

38 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

 

In 2000, 2003 and 2010 English Green Party Candidate Gary Anderson was convicted of possessing child porn.

 

 

Bullseye 

[Jocky Balboa]

Patrick Harvie is like the bastard son of a one night stand between Michael Stipe and Heinrich Himmler. He also shares the former's love of the rectum (though possessing none of his talent) and the latter's authoritarian streak. 

[For Fecks Sake]

14 minutes ago, Jocky Balboa said:

Patrick Harvie is like the bastard son of a one night stand between Michael Stipe and Heinrich Himmler. He also shares the former's love of the rectum (though possessing none of his talent) and the latter's authoritarian stre

 

[Fridge]

10 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said:

HIs method of stopping people choking has saved a lot of lives. 

Also ends with jail time when done on a night bus home.

[caledonia]

[elephantstone78]

On 3/27/2021 at 10:11 AM, Jocky Balboa said:

Patrick Harvie is like the bastard son of a one night stand between Michael Stipe and Heinrich Himmler. He also shares the former's love of the rectum (though possessing none of his talent) and the latter's authoritarian streak. 

Possibly your barmiest ever post jb. 
marginally preferable to puns on politicians names, so there’s that I suppose. 

[Clydeside_Sheep]

On 3/28/2021 at 10:37 AM, caledonia said:

Parts of Scottish Labour are shaky on the Union and the party is well-rid, if wanting to present itself as a solid unionist vote.

Sarwar can hardly concentrate on treating his family business employees like dirt, if he is distracted by sell-outs doing the SNPs job for them.