KenDodd'sDad Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 9 hours ago, rocket_scientist said: My biggest issue with the accounts - in the years when the annual accounts were posted to the shareholders (they stopped doing this in the middle of the last decade) - were the ever-increasing number of people on the payroll. At one point it was up to 124 (I think). I couldn't understand how it could be so many and I termed the non-football staff as "non-productives" in my many arguments on these forums against the vast majority who didn't see through Milne. Pissing away between a half and three quarters of a million on a "feasibility study" is one thing, employing more than you need is another. Would never have happened under Donald and Anderson. Would never happen under any businessman who's heart was in the right place. Even the "football side of the business" as Milne famously called it in 1996 employs too many at AFC. It's a culture thing throughout football, insisted upon by weak, lazy, incompetent managers. When they sacked Billy Davies (at Derby iirc), they needed to clear out seven-bloody-teen! I’ll defend the commercial department. They bring in a lot of corporate stuff which makes up the ticket deficit over the likes of Hibs and Hearts. *Not so much this year to be fair. Link to comment
Lan_Lad Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dons79 said: Great post like any workplace as well there’s always cunts just doing enough for there wage and others that are machines that work like fuck. mid the general malaise is to just turn up and do the bare minimum(us) Vs a motivated st Mirren that fights like fuck and this can easily put us and st Mirren equally look at the example of Celtic this year getting beat all the time as they’ve lost focus and desire Fair comment but I don't think it could be fairly said Celtic are being beaten all the time. They have lost 3 of 29 league matches which is a good record in the general scheme of things. Manchester City who are topping the English league have lost only 1 fewer. Celtics problem is their opponent for the title hasn't lost at all. I think another factor that has to be taken into account is that the OF actually have a transfer budget. They pay multi millions for a single player. In fact either one can spend more on a single player in a single window than the rest of the league combined will typically spend in all windows in decades. In comparison Aberdeen and everyone else in the league have pretty much no transfer budget at all. We all shop in the same English league 1/2 freebie market which to my mind tends to end up in a sort of levelling. Link to comment
Ernie McCracken Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Well if other clubs budgets are slightly behind us, but close enough that we can essentially say they are equal, should we expect Aberdeen to finish above them? The answer is yes. If Derek McInnes is a better manager than his counterparts then, he should be able to finish above them, given that at worst he is not disadvantaged. If he is not a better manager than his counterparts, then why the fuck is he getting paid in the region of £14-£17k per week. Link to comment
Lan_Lad Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 18 minutes ago, Millertime said: This is what I have said all along, backed up now with facts Good 2 minutes ago, Ernie McCracken said: Well if other clubs budgets are slightly behind us, but close enough that we can essentially say they are equal, should we expect Aberdeen to finish above them? The answer is yes. If Derek McInnes is a better manager than his counterparts then, he should be able to finish above them, given that at worst he is not disadvantaged. If he is not a better manager than his counterparts, then why the fuck is he getting paid in the region of £14-£17k per week. And in general McInnes is finishing above the rest of the league and never less than within one place of what the list would suggest. 2 Link to comment
Lan_Lad Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 24 minutes ago, Millertime said: This is what I have said all along, backed up now with facts Good I think it's also an example of how very difficult it is to hold on to a good player if the OF come sniffing around. Keep in mind that list represents just an average wage. Some OF players are being payed considerably more than that. Which means a player could earn more in a year with them than he could collecting the average wage at Aberdeen for an entire career. Nobody can realistically turn that down. 1 Link to comment
Ernie McCracken Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, Lan_Lad said: And in general McInnes is finishing above the rest of the league and never less than within one place of what the list would suggest. Arguably within one place of what the list would suggest if all managers were equal. McInnes wages suggests he is better than them. So not only should he be 3rd, he should be comfortably 3rd. Link to comment
Lan_Lad Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ernie McCracken said: Arguably within one place of what the list would suggest if all managers were equal. McInnes wages suggests he is better than them. So not only should he be 3rd, he should be comfortably 3rd. But that's simply not the way it works all of the time in something like football. Celtic judging from that list are paying on average almost quarter of a million more than their other half. That difference alone is almost twice the average Aberdeen wage. Does that mean they should be comfortably first? While they're actually barely comfortably second. McInnes took a second place against Warburton whose players were being payed comfortably more. Link to comment
The Gee Man Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I think what we can all acknowledge that despite the horrendous football at times, Del has consistently kept us in 2nd to 4th, each season another team challenges us our 2nd/3rd spot and while at times they have finished above us, the next season they fall away and said manager is gone (albeit clarke to Scotland). Del has been consistent with his placement at the end of the season, but and there are buts! Are football style is non existent, recruitment woeful, youth development terrible and this season has seen a breakdown of Manager/Fans and appears Chairman trust. In all this only 1 Manager and his choice of player’s can put this right. Link to comment
muttonhumper Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Lan_Lad said: There has to be perspective. Nice try Derek, but you said yourself in the last week that you weren't aware we had a bigger budget than others in the league. Link to comment
frankie_mac's_4 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Fuck knows what point you're trying to make here, Lad min. Beginning to sound like that 'know your place' bollocks Link to comment
shooftahmooftah Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Is he still here. Will he be gone after kilmarnock win on Saturday.??? 2 Link to comment
muttonhumper Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, frankie_mac's_4 said: Fuck knows what point you're trying to make here, Lad min. Beginning to sound like that 'know your place' bollocks Aye, playing horrific fitba for 3 years, notching up the worst run of blanks in AFC history (x2), bottling 95% of big games, failing MISERABLY in every single Euro campaign, and winning absolutely fuck all bar a fortunate penalty win in a final where we were lucky to scrape past Alloa also in a pen shoot out is fine. All the time with the football clearly deteriorating year by year, squandering huge amounts of cash on absolute fucking gluepots who can barely be considered fitba players, taking no responsibility for your fuck ups, while commanding an inordinately offensive and unjustified wage. Bar that, yeah, sign the fucking mong up for another few years. Why nae? 1 3 Link to comment
graham Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Stoneybloke said: On the post match interview I thought he looked very strained. The pressure must be getting to him. McInnes always has had grovelling sycophantic journalists hanging on his every word.The other week he tried to suggest Aberdeen were unlucky against Hibs and tried to make some point of how Aberdeen were hard done by.bbc interviewer just looked at McInnes.First time I had seen McInnes squirm and no answer.Even wee Jane Lewis made a fool of him with his six games no goals and 'wee Bruce' scoring at Hamilton.All match reports I read gave 'big Fraser' Hornby a pretty poor assessment.Kamberi good player at Hibs but they are on loan ,no future planning.It's pathetic now. Link to comment
graham Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 6 hours ago, shinniesta1 said: There's plenty of managers who actually acknowledge issues with their team on the media, without throwing their players under the bus. Derek just isn't willing to take responsibility. I think McInnnes is a bit of a bullshiter in public and in the dressing room.Why do so many,McGinn,Hayes,Taylor go away and come back,McInnes praises them all the time and gives them a free pass to walk away and come back.There was several years players were guaranteed a game regardless of form.Shay Logan was a good player but he seemed to be the only right back at the club.There were half a dozen like that,never seen McInnes strongly criticize an individual.A poor performance by a player and we discover they were carrying an injury we were not aware about before.Excuses. For what it is worth Neil Lennon is often a very honest,too honest manager.Prefer that to the patronising 'wee Bruce','young Dean',big Fraser'and of course'there was a lot to like about Craig Bryson,when ah signed him,he was just never fit''.Allegedly,never misses a game now at St Johnstone does Craig Bryson. Link to comment
frankie_mac's_4 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 36 minutes ago, muttonhumper said: Aye, playing horrific fitba for 3 years, notching up the worst run of blanks in AFC history (x2), bottling 95% of big games, failing MISERABLY in every single Euro campaign, and winning absolutely fuck all bar a fortunate penalty win in a final where we were lucky to scrape past Alloa also in a pen shoot out is fine. All the time with the football clearly deteriorating year by year, squandering huge amounts of cash on absolute fucking gluepots who can barely be considered fitba players, taking no responsibility for your fuck ups, while commanding an inordinately offensive and unjustified wage. Bar that, yeah, sign the fucking mong up for another few years. Why nae? Ach he stabilised the club back at respectability level initially, I'll credit him for that. But it's clear for years now that progress has stopped and the club is now tending to regression - you can argue for whatever reasons. The bottom line is he's a couple of years past the sell by date and AFC needs a clean out to get back to moving forward 1 3 Link to comment
Granite95 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 12 hours ago, frankie_mac's_4 said: Ach he stabilised the club back at respectability level initially, I'll credit him for that. But it's clear for years now that progress has stopped and the club is now tending to regression - you can argue for whatever reasons. The bottom line is he's a couple of years past the sell by date and AFC needs a clean out to get back to moving forward Agree with this. He did great for the first few years, stabilised us and obviously won us a cup. We played good football and as he said we fell in love with the team again, However we've stagnated for a few years now, the points totals, where he finish in the league and our cup runs are testemant to that. Thankful for the job he did improving us but it's clear we need a fresh face at the top Link to comment
graham Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Millertime said: And what, are you saying its not a good thing that our manager commands respect of the media? The media have certainly given Derek McInnes good regards for all his fine second and third places behind the beloved Old Firm.You are doing well Derek,but know your place in Scottish football !t is all woe are us.Even that season he won all first eight games,he never ever said,we are going for the league..Aim high to win the league,and finish third fans, understand.Aim for third and Kilmarnock,Hibs,Motherwell have a good year and suddenly you are fourtth ,fifth sixth.The media do respect Derek McInnes as a football coach and manager but they are beginning to have their doubts. Link to comment
shooftahmooftah Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Mcinnes saying he has to remind his downcast players they are a good team. What about reminding yourself Mchunis that you’ve been crap for a long time, and you’ve been found out. Link to comment
graham Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 That is the impression iam getting too now shooftah, think McInnes has been found out.Even the most mild-manered journalists now are questioning him and the answers are less and less convincing.He could previously pull the wool over our sheepy eyes with tactical jargon and the classic , 'i see the boys every day in training' but it just doesnae wash any more,He should have been out the door 0-2 at home to Livingston,a midweek diehard crowd would have been incandescent half time that night if crowds present. 1 Link to comment
graham Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Love playing McInnes bingo each game,each interview,in eight years we can read him like a book now. What he is going to say and his favourite phrases ! Link to comment
graham Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I will take that on board Millertime !Often get too long winded and digress. I remember John Robertson was made mnager of Hearts and asked what his aspirations were,'to win the league'.Well said.good on him.Mcinnnes was a wee timirous,take off forwards hold on to the 1-0 win,bore the arse of us all every Saturday afternoon.I do apologise for the intemperate word there ! optimistically spoke of McInnes nin the past tense there.Funny feeling he might get a good result tomorrow v Killie Link to comment
Ernie McCracken Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, BonnieDon said: The lamest band in the world to soundtrack the lamest manager in the world. Fitting. Link to comment
Hagi's pubic hair Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 So, basically you are saying the underachieving cunt has not fucked off yet... jeez Ach well, there is always Killie tomorrow. Link to comment
Hagi's pubic hair Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Millertime said: You really are one depressing bore The competition is fierce though @Millertime Link to comment
G31DON Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I think the problem is it has been such a steep downhill from this day. How Derek can be sending out his team in such an insipid manner, when 3 1/2 years ago we were doing this, is why the vitriol is so strong. Link to comment
Granite95 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 11 hours ago, G31DON said: I think the problem is it has been such a steep downhill from this day. How Derek can be sending out his team in such an insipid manner, when 3 1/2 years ago we were doing this, is why the vitriol is so strong. That along with the 6-0 vs Partick and the 7-2 against Motherwell were some of the best games I've been to in recent years. What's even worse is our next game after this was against the Huns was it not and we got beat 3-0, with those cunts scoring 3 in like 5 mins did they not? Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 The one we (hesitate to say dominate) did arite in for 70 minutes, missing more than a few chances before Jack and Taylor gifted them the game. Link to comment
For Fecks Sake Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 12 hours ago, G31DON said: I think the problem is it has been such a steep downhill from this day. How Derek can be sending out his team in such an insipid manner, when 3 1/2 years ago we were doing this, is why the vitriol is so strong. Largely due to the fact that we no longer have a midfield consisting of Shinnie, McLean, Jack and add Rooney up front in our team along with a considerable younger Considine, Hayes and McGinn. 1 Link to comment
Lan_Lad Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, For Fecks Sake said: Largely due to the fact that we no longer have a midfield consisting of Shinnie, McLean, Jack and add Rooney up front in our team along with a considerable younger Considine, Hayes and McGinn. This is the reality. Send out a team containing those you mention and we would see an entirely different scenario to that we have seen recently. That kind of quality has not been replaced and I see no way to do so. We're shopping in the English league 1/2 freebie market. Which doesn't get you guaranteed quality of that kind. 1 Link to comment
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