RED_JOHN Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I blame Glass for the way Ramirez is struggling in this set up currently. Link to comment
Parklife Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 hours ago, DelMonte said: See this is where I think he’s getting a free pass. Strikers can influence games. He seen plenty of the ball the past two games. He has but he's mostly seen it about 35 yards out with his back to goal. There's no one linking play between midfield and attack, like Hedges would be doing, so Ramirez is trying to do that meaning he's not where he needs to be - in the box. 2 hours ago, DelMonte said: Its as if he needs the team to present tap in chances for him to have an impact. If that’s the case then he’s not up to it surely? He needs service but he also needs to give those who should be providing him with the service the chance to do so. His movement is a big part of it and that's how most good strikers find themselves with chances. He is still adjusting to a new style of game and new teammates though, so I think a small allowance has to be made for that. I wasn't enthusiastic about his signing before we signed him and I'm still very much on the fence about him, I'm prepared to give him more time though. Link to comment
Studebaker-90 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Everything about him is just off. Doesn’t anticipate passes well, timing seems to be all over the shop, terrible touch, panics when he gets near the opposition box. The list goes on. He is one of those players that waits for something to happen rather than trying to engineer opportunities himself. Link to comment
Studebaker-90 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said: God to see you watched Sportscene yesterday I was also at the game and it was blatantly obvious to anyone with a functioning brain. It was the same against Ross County. I don’t dislike the guy, he’s just not very good. Link to comment
Foster14 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Ramirez is a difficult one to gauge. He seems to be constantly running (to the point he is breathing out his arse 60 minutes onwards), and seems to what on the face of it looks intelligent plays of defenders. He is just not fed the ball, or if he is, he's offside by the time he is. Which makes me wonder, are the runs particularly intelligent... When the alternate is the ball coming in to his feet/chest and him having nothing to do with it or him not controlling it, there just doesn't seem to be much going right for him. Or he's not very good. What is clear is that right now, the way we are set up and playing, he isn't offering enough to merit a place in the lineup. That said, neither is JET and Watkins isn't available. Who else are we going with there? Long balls to Samuels? One final thing, his free header at the corner on Saturday is about as bad as you will see. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, Foster14 said: One final thing, his free header at the corner on Saturday is about as bad as you will see. Absolutely. As a striker, a free header like that you're expecting it to be at the very least on target, if not in the back of the net Link to comment
DelMonte Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 46 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said: God to see you watched Sportscene yesterday I’ll have to watch. Sounds like his short comings have been picked up on? Link to comment
elephantstone78 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 36 minutes ago, Foster14 said: Ramirez is a difficult one to gauge. He seems to be constantly running (to the point he is breathing out his arse 60 minutes onwards), and seems to what on the face of it looks intelligent plays of defenders. He is just not fed the ball, or if he is, he's offside by the time he is. Which makes me wonder, are the runs particularly intelligent... When the alternate is the ball coming in to his feet/chest and him having nothing to do with it or him not controlling it, there just doesn't seem to be much going right for him. Or he's not very good. What is clear is that right now, the way we are set up and playing, he isn't offering enough to merit a place in the lineup. That said, neither is JET and Watkins isn't available. Who else are we going with there? Long balls to Samuels? One final thing, his free header at the corner on Saturday is about as bad as you will see. Sounds like he would benefit from us hiring a strikers coach Link to comment
cheesepipes Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Hes a lovely looking man with a beautiful family. Currently sitting in position 2 of my favourite Ramirezes behind the Night Stalker Richard. Link to comment
Andy_123 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I'm still not convinced he's as bad as is being made out, but the free header he had at the weekend was embarrassing. He needs folk in and around him which he isn't getting at the moment. Link to comment
DelMonte Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said: Not really. The analysis was about him "not getting the flight of the ball" and such like. Nothing regarding his apparently terrible link and hold up play. I actually forgot about that. He jumps under balls up to him. Weird trait. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 When was the last time we had a striker who could make chances for himself without relying on others putting it on a plate for him every time? Been a long time. Link to comment
DelMonte Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: When was the last time we had a striker who could make chances for himself without relying on others putting it on a plate for him every time? Been a long time. They don’t exist seemingly. Only there to shoot when they get a chance. Not capable of anything else. Link to comment
Parklife Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 Not many exist on our budget. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, DelMonte said: They don’t exist seemingly. Only there to shoot when they get a chance. Not capable of anything else. Can't remember even the last time we had one that could take on and beat his man on the ground. Link to comment
Millertime Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 14 hours ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said: Yeah sound Deal 20 quid that he won't score 15 more league goals till end of season Those moroccan kids are going to be delighted Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 57 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: When was the last time we had a striker who could make chances for himself without relying on others putting it on a plate for him every time? Been a long time. Nail McGinn (pre Korea) Link to comment
Don_Corleone Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Ramirez needs a rest for a week or two. The guy looks knackered with all the aimless running around he's having to do playing up front on his own. He looked much better the first few games when we played JET up alongside him. Since then any time JET's been on the pitch he seems to just stand about on the half way line. Samuels basically stands on the touchline. So it's all very well saying we played with 3 forwards, but it's still basically 1 isolated player up front. Ramirez doesn't have any pace, but I believe his movement is good and he takes up good positions in the box etc - he needs someone closer to him to link up with, and he probably needs a goal to boost his confidence. He could also do with other players in the team scoring goals to take some of the pressure off him. Link to comment
sooth_stander Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, DelMonte said: I actually forgot about that. He jumps under balls up to him. Weird trait. Jumping style reminds me of Van der Ark Link to comment
Ke1t Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 9 hours ago, DelMonte said: See this is where I think he’s getting a free pass. Strikers can influence games. He seen plenty of the ball the past two games. Its as if he needs the team to present tap in chances for him to have an impact. If that’s the case then he’s not up to it surely? I think he's firmly in the Ally McCoist style... largely a poacher with limited range. I've lost count of the number of times he's right there, running into the 6 yard box, only for the attempted through ball or, more often cross, failing to beat either the defender or the goalkeeper. I think our plodding style of build-up doesn't entirely suit someone with Ramirez' style of play, admittedly. Duncan Shearer was a similar penalty box striker, but to be honest I think he'd struggle with this team inna. Link to comment
RUL Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Ke1t said: I think he's firmly in the Ally McCoist style... largely a poacher with limited range. I've lost count of the number of times he's right there, running into the 6 yard box, only for the attempted through ball or, more often cross, failing to beat either the defender or the goalkeeper. I think our plodding style of build-up doesn't entirely suit someone with Ramirez' style of play, admittedly. Duncan Shearer was a similar penalty box striker, but to be honest I think he'd struggle with this team inna. Thing is, Glass recruited Ramirez so must have known the type of striker he was? I agree with the points your making but seems totally bizarre we've spent a fortune on Ramirez salary (He was on $1M I think over there) but not bothered to recruit the players that would actually help him score the goals we need? Or did our entire tactical plan hinge on Hedges actually staying fit, something he's never done before? Link to comment
DelMonte Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 3 hours ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said: No no. That he won't score 15 in total. He has to get to 15. Including his current 2. Changing the goalposts frankie! He did say 15 goals from here on.. Link to comment
DelMonte Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 43 minutes ago, Ke1t said: I think he's firmly in the Ally McCoist style... largely a poacher with limited range. I've lost count of the number of times he's right there, running into the 6 yard box, only for the attempted through ball or, more often cross, failing to beat either the defender or the goalkeeper. I think our plodding style of build-up doesn't entirely suit someone with Ramirez' style of play, admittedly. Duncan Shearer was a similar penalty box striker, but to be honest I think he'd struggle with this team inna. I’ve lost count the amount of times a ball has been fizzed across the box and he’s arrived a fraction too late. Link to comment
cheesepipes Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 46 minutes ago, Ke1t said: I think he's firmly in the Ally McCoist style... largely a poacher with limited range. I've lost count of the number of times he's right there, running into the 6 yard box, only for the attempted through ball or, more often cross, failing to beat either the defender or the goalkeeper. I think our plodding style of build-up doesn't entirely suit someone with Ramirez' style of play, admittedly. Duncan Shearer was a similar penalty box striker, but to be honest I think he'd struggle with this team inna. Id be happy if he was half as good as Super Ally. Cunt regularly banged in 30 plus goals a season. Link to comment
Millertime Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 19 hours ago, Millertime said: Want to bet £20 he won't score 15 league goals from here on? @ConsiCanBoogie1903 Thats what I said He won't score 15 league goals from here on So, that's the bet Agreed? If you want to try and weasel out of it let's split the difference at 14 from here on Deal? Link to comment
Millertime Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Ke1t said: I think he's firmly in the Ally McCoist style... largely a poacher with limited range. I've lost count of the number of times he's right there, running into the 6 yard box, only for the attempted through ball or, more often cross, failing to beat either the defender or the goalkeeper. I think our plodding style of build-up doesn't entirely suit someone with Ramirez' style of play, admittedly. Duncan Shearer was a similar penalty box striker, but to be honest I think he'd struggle with this team inna. McCoist was lightyears ahead of Ramirez, bloody hell Link to comment
Millertime Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said: I took it as 15 goals for the season, but aye. I'll still do the bet @Millertime Good man, 15 from here on Link to comment
Ke1t Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, cheesepipes said: Id be happy if he was half as good as Super Ally. Cunt regularly banged in 30 plus goals a season. Cunt also had guys like Laudrup, Gascoigne, Albertz, Van Vossen, and Salenko, setting him up. We have Ojo, Downed Tools Ferguson, Two Old Irishmen, Cant Cross McLennan, and One Game In Four JET. Link to comment
Millertime Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ke1t said: Cunt also had guys like Laudrup, Gascoigne, Albertz, Van Vossen, and Salenko, setting him up. We have Ojo, Downed Tools Ferguson, Two Old Irishmen, Cant Cross McLennan, and One Game In Four JET. Van vossen Salenko Lol Que? Link to comment
RUL Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Millertime said: Van vossen Salenko Lol Que? They'd both walk into this team. Link to comment
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