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38 minutes ago, The Buzzard said:

Hold on. What the fuck is this? You can negotiate on the price listed on the menu for food in a restaurant? I've never heard of such a thing. Surely the staff would just tell you to chase yourself. I would also wonder if they would have reason to charge you for the booking you'd made as you've effectively cost them a table's worth of income. More and more places take a deposit these days due to the upturn in no shows do they not?

Some eateries do take a deposit for a reservation of a table to mitigate the chance on a no-show occurring. 

Staff could tell someone to "do one" if a patron wishes to exercise their legal right to "an invitation to treat", prior to making an offer of payment for the items they have been served and consumed from an eatery's menu, but by adopting this approach, they have inadvertently lost its employers more revenue (in relation to the desired costs of meals they ideally wish consumers to pay on/from their menu) rather than accepting the offer of a partial settlement from the customer.

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30 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said:

“ This steak isn’t worth £30, I’ll give you a fiver!”  Need to try that . 

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It's the societal mistaken belief that the retailer is the offerer and the consumer is the acceptor when, in law, it is the other way round. 

The price a retailer advertises is merely "an invitation to treat", a concept, in layman's terms, meaning they are inviting offers for a product or service.

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28 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said:

I like it. Do you make an offer after or before eating though ? 

Afterwards min, when the time arises for settlement of cost for goods and services rendered by the eatery to you.

A lot of eateries leave themselves wide open for this concept to be applied after you have asked for the bill (especially continental, alfresco eateries).

The bill is normally presented in a paper-based receipt encased in a small leather folder. The employee of the eatery then leaves you to time to pay (preferably, for the ease of offerer, in cash). 

You then offer to pay an amount, ideally below the advertised price, then carefully enclose the cash offer in the leather folder. It is then up to the employee, on behalf of their employers, whether to accept it or not.

However, in some instances, by the time they return to your table, you may have already left the eatery without having to negotiate as you have already expressed a willingness to offer a payment by leaving cash encased in the folder.

As long as an offer of payment, in cash, in this instance, has been made, not one provision of consumer law has been broken whatsoever.

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16 minutes ago, chief_wiggum said:

So if your not paying enough to cover the bill and not hanging about, you must not be tipping the poor server who's on a pittance of a wage and relying on tips? :itch-chin:

Hopefully they don’t have to make up the rest of their bill from their wages

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1 hour ago, Redforever86 said:

Do you say to the server “I’m only paying £10 rather than £20” when they take away to folder/tray? Or do you say fuck all and if they don’t saying anything that is deemed as acceptance? 

Say fuck all. As long as you have offered to pay by cash and placed cash in the folder, the server can either accept the offer or not, if you are still on the premises. However, you can still lawfully negotiate an alternative cost you wish to offer to pay.

If you are no longer on the premises when he or she picks up the encased cash from thectable you say at, then job done.:checkit:

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2 hours ago, chief_wiggum said:

So if your not paying enough to cover the bill and not hanging about, you must not be tipping the poor server who's on a pittance of a wage and relying on tips? :itch-chin:

The Polish waitresses always get paid in full and receive a gratuity each time I visit a restaurant in Gdansk.

The food is excellent (especially the native delicacies) and the service is impeccable, and at a fraction of the cost it is here.

No need to haggle whatsoever. However, Polish consumer law(s) may be different from our own consumer law(s), therefore the invitation to treat concept may not apply over there.

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2 hours ago, Matt Armstrong's Dog said:

Say fuck all. As long as you have offered to pay by cash and placed cash in the folder, the server can either accept the offer or not, if you are still on the premises. However, you can still lawfully negotiate an alternative cost you wish to offer to pay.

If you are no longer on the premises when he or she picks up the encased cash from thectable you say at, then job done.:checkit:

So is this principle applicable to other transactions ? ….eg fill your car up with petrol which the pump shows as costing £80 , but then go in to the kiosk and place an envelope containing  £40 cash in it on the counter, walk out and drive off sharpish without saying a word before the cashier realises what’s happened. 

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10 minutes ago, redone said:

So is this principle applicable to other transactions ? ….eg fill your car up with petrol which the pump shows as costing £80 , but then go in to the kiosk and place an envelope containing  £40 cash in it on the counter, walk out and drive off sharpish without saying a word before the cashier realises what’s happened. 

The principle applies to any type of transaction, like the one you highlight, between the offerer (the buyer) and the acceptor (the seller), prior to a contract being formed and legally bound.

For example, the £80 displayed at the pump is simply an advertisement which the retailer wishes to be paid for the fuel imparted into a consumer's vehicle tank. In essence, it is an invite to place an offer which the retailer can accept or not. 

Garage forecourts are wily though as they've cottoned on to the fact that motorists do not always pay the full advertised price, as desired, on the pump's display for fuel. Hence why they adopted a type of vendor machine at the point of product delivery (at the pump) to prevent a pump being used and mitigate any perceived losses they may encounter thereafter.

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2 hours ago, Matt Armstrong's Dog said:

The principle applies to any type of transaction, like the one you highlight, between the offerer (the buyer) and the acceptor (the seller), prior to a contract being formed and legally bound.

For example, the £80 displayed at the pump is simply an advertisement which the retailer wishes to be paid for the fuel imparted into a consumer's vehicle tank. In essence, it is an invite to place an offer which the retailer can accept or not. 

Garage forecourts are wily though as they've cottoned on to the fact that motorists do not always pay the full advertised price, as desired, on the pump's display for fuel. Hence why they adopted a type of vendor machine at the point of product delivery (at the pump) to prevent a pump being used and mitigate any perceived losses they may encounter thereafter.

Has anyone ever tried this or even know of anyone who has attempted this?

And I seriously doubt that the main driver of rolling out pay at pumps is to stop folk filling up and haggling the price.

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