Ke1t Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Definitely very talented. Frustrating when people say she's sh*t just because she had a drug problem. Think the two are completely irrelevant to one another. I agree... some of the most talented people have been druggies. Amy Winehouse was sh*t on her own merits, regardless of her drug abuse. Link to comment
tommo1903 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 I agree... some of the most talented people have been druggies. Amy Winehouse was sh*t on her own merits, regardless of her drug abuse. Nail on the head. Overrated sh*te. Link to comment
phoenix Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 I'm not even sure that the Beatles were genius and that makes Amy Winehouse a no no as far as I can see. Can entertainers be geniuses? You decide. I tend to reserve the appelation for almighty talents and mostly , but not always , from the field of scientific endeavour - Newton , Einstein , Dirac and Everett to name a few. Shakespeare? Kerouac ? Burns ? It's personal , maaan. I did like Amy Winehouse without ever hearing very much. She was the alternative in an age of gentrification. I believe she sang from the heart and managed to avoid charicature...but only just. Virgo - Pig - Water - Yin - 27 - R.I.P. Link to comment
Jones Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 I'm not even sure that the Beatles were genius and that makes Amy Winehouse a no no as far as I can see. Can entertainers be geniuses? You decide. I tend to reserve the appelation for almighty talents and mostly , but not always , from the field of scientific endeavour - Newton , Einstein , Dirac and Everett to name a few. Shakespeare? Kerouac ? Burns ? It's personal , maaan. I did like Amy Winehouse without ever hearing very much. She was the alternative in an age of gentrification. I believe she sang from the heart and managed to avoid charicature...but only just. Virgo - Pig - Water - Yin - 27 - R.I.P. But anyone who is "outstanding" and/or "very great" is a genius, according to some(Oxford and Cambridge dictionary don't you know!). The fact that both are entirely subjective terms does little to dissuade this train of though, again, for some. You cannot argue with that sort of logic(...al fallacy). Link to comment
tup Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Junkie from Tilldrone dies in a pool of his own vomit? The media rejoice, one less scumbag to report burglaries about. Talentless junkie from rich London jewish family dies in a pool of her own pish? Massive outpourings of mock grief from self same. Hypocrisy. I dinna give two f**ks about Amy Winehouse. Link to comment
Bluto10 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Junkie from Tilldrone dies in a pool of his own vomit? The media rejoice, one less scumbag to report burglaries about. Talentless junkie from rich London jewish family dies in a pool of her own pish? Massive outpourings of mock grief from self same. Hypocrisy. I dinna give two f**ks about Amy Winehouse. no its not hipocracy tup. the world is a better place without minky junkies who rob auld ladies and houses. a junkie like winehouse is essentailly harmless to your average citizen. and she contributed greatly to society despite her problems. i am indifferent to her. dont really know her music very well but heard one or two tunes which, for burds music, were pretty good.i can see why people like her music. Link to comment
Pash Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 I'm not even sure that the Beatles were genius and that makes Amy Winehouse a no no as far as I can see.Can entertainers be geniuses? You decide. I tend to reserve the appelation for almighty talents and mostly , but not always , from the field of scientific endeavour - Newton , Einstein , Dirac and Everett to name a few. Shakespeare? Kerouac ? Burns ? It's personal , maaan. I did like Amy Winehouse without ever hearing very much. She was the alternative in an age of gentrification. I believe she sang from the heart and managed to avoid charicature...but only just. Virgo - Pig - Water - Yin - 27 - R.I.P. You missed a no. Link to comment
tup Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 no its not hipocracy tup. the world is a better place without minky junkies who rob auld ladies and houses. a junkie like winehouse is essentailly harmless to your average citizen. and she contributed greatly to society despite her problems. i am indifferent to her. dont really know her music very well but heard one or two tunes which, for burds music, were pretty good.i can see why people like her music. Class divide, born with silver spoon in mouth = contributor to society does it? She had all the advantages going, and still f**ked it up. She's every bit as bad as a schemie. Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 no its not hipocracy tup. the world is a better place without minky junkies who rob auld ladies and houses. a junkie like winehouse is essentailly harmless to your average citizen. and she contributed greatly to society despite her problems. i am indifferent to her. dont really know her music very well but heard one or two tunes which, for burds music, were pretty good.i can see why people like her music.What exactly has she contributed to society? Link to comment
Bluto10 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Class divide, born with silver spoon in mouth = contributor to society does it? She had all the advantages going, and still f**ked it up. She's every bit as bad as a schemie. no she isnt. i doubt she ever plumbed the depths of the typical schemie junkie crime rap sheet. she's contributed more to society than you (and i) ever will. i dont care if a mink injects aids into his body in the search of hedonism.i only care that they leave me alone and dont take what isnt rightfully theirs. Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 no she isnt. i doubt she ever plumbed the depths of the typical schemie junkie crime rap sheet. she's contributed more to society than you (and i) ever will. i dont care if a mink injects aids into his body in the search of hedonism.i only care that they leave me alone and dont take what isnt rightfully theirs.Only because she had the money to stay off the streets, and didn't need to steal to pay for the drugs. Link to comment
Bluto10 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Only because she had the money to stay off the streets, and didn't need to steal to pay for the drugs. exactly. she did it in the privacy of her own home and her addiction never afffected her neighbours and their insurance policies. Link to comment
tup Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 she's contributed more to society than you (and i) ever will. Speak for yourself, I've contributed more to humanity in one day than that smackhead managed in the last five years. Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Speak for yourself, I've contributed more to humanity in one day than that smackhead managed in the last five years. Steps sold more albums and sold more gig tickets than Winehoose apparently. I wonder if they will be hailed as "geniuses" or "legends" when one of them pops it Link to comment
tup Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Steps sold more albums and sold more gig tickets than Winehoose apparently. I wonder if they will be hailed as "geniuses" or "legends" when one of them pops it And how appropriate in this instance that they have a member of the group named 'H'. Link to comment
vanderark14 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 And how appropriate in this instance that they have a member of the group named 'H'. :laughing: stolen gag from elsewhere but still a classic RIP Link to comment
Bluto10 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Speak for yourself, I've contributed more to humanity in one day than that smackhead managed in the last five years. like what? Link to comment
Bluto10 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Education. you are a teacher then. is that what you mean? Link to comment
tup Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 you are a teacher then. is that what you mean? No. Although it feels like it sometimes when I have to explain things to you for the umpteenth time. Link to comment
diamondsr4ever Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 No. Although it feels like it sometimes when I have to explain things to you for the umpteenth time. regardless of the arguments about talent or not, she has millions of fans, sold millions of records, so will be in the mainstream news..i have no issue with it, maybe highlights more and educates our young fans that she was not immortal and drugs can lead to this. Link to comment
Foster14 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 regardless of the arguments about talent or not, she has millions of fans, sold millions of records, so will be in the mainstream news..i have no issue with it, maybe highlights more and educates our young fans that she was not immortal and drugs can lead to this. Maybe. I see it more as another person in the media that achieves a much more favourable status in the media on dying (or in the process of dying) than they did when they were alive. See Jade Goody as prime example number 1 on that front. Link to comment
diamondsr4ever Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Maybe. I see it more as another person in the media that achieves a much more favourable status in the media on dying (or in the process of dying) than they did when they were alive. See Jade Goody as prime example number 1 on that front. but i dont get the point, famous, infamous...people adore them, love them and the media rightfully talk about it...rightly or wrongly...tuen over, switch off.....simple. Link to comment
tup Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 but i dont get the point, famous, infamous...people adore them, love them and the media rightfully talk about it...rightly or wrongly...tuen over, switch off.....simple. Why do people 'adore' and 'love' celebrities, people they have never and will never meet? Fairly strong emotions for such loose connections. I have no time at all for those wrapped up in the cult of celebrity. Link to comment
Foster14 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 but i dont get the point, famous, infamous...people adore them, love them and the media rightfully talk about it...rightly or wrongly...tuen over, switch off.....simple. Where I have moaned once about being forced to watch any coverage? I have seen bits and bobs, and the media, as usual, are being crafty b*stards who feed on the idiocy of large elements of the celebrity infactuated public. The same people that revelled in catching her out and mocking her are now sympathetically reporting her deat. They aren't even reporting news, they just mumble on about this and that, get some person that met her a couple of times to give their tuppence worth. Nothing reported yet, other than her actual death, is anything that people would not have not of known unless they had had no outside communication for years. Link to comment
Jones Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 but i dont get the point, famous, infamous...people adore them, love them and the media rightfully talk about it...rightly or wrongly...tuen over, switch off.....simple. That's on the assumption that the media merely pass comment on current events rather than actively engineering them for their own ends. I'd have no problem if the world mourned the loss of AW the musician as opposed to AW the newspaper junkie. Link to comment
diamondsr4ever Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Why do people 'adore' and 'love' celebrities, people they have never and will never meet? Fairly strong emotions for such loose connections. I have no time at all for those wrapped up in the cult of celebrity. then youve nothing to worry about then. I liked her music, bought her CD, sorry she's deed, but not unexpected, actually thought it would have happened a few years back. Link to comment
diamondsr4ever Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Where I have moaned once about being forced to watch any coverage? I have seen bits and bobs, and the media, as usual, are being crafty b*stards who feed on the idiocy of large elements of the celebrity infactuated public. The same people that revelled in catching her out and mocking her are now sympathetically reporting her deat. They aren't even reporting news, they just mumble on about this and that, get some person that met her a couple of times to give their tuppence worth. Nothing reported yet, other than her actual death, is anything that people would not have not of known unless they had had no outside communication for years. we all know the score, we all know its a pile o pish, thats why I dont really worry 2 much about it all. as i said, liked her music, f**kked up pop star....nothing new in the industry....our country is fill o bams that want to read it, dinna give a sh*te really. Link to comment
Bluto10 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 No. Although it feels like it sometimes when I have to explain things to you for the umpteenth time. so, in what way have you contributed, via the medium of ''Eduction'' to society then, as you so claimed? i'll say again. she has contributed more than you have. Link to comment
tup Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 so, in what way have you contributed, via the medium of ''Eduction'' to society then, as you so claimed? i'll say again. she has contributed more than you have. Bullshit. Link to comment
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