Spl Clubs To Go Bust

[amancalledbuck]

I thought somebody would have stuck the BBC story up.

 

I'll look for it and stick a link up.

 

Here's a choice quote -

 

"Each club gets around

[amancalledbuck]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14467953.stm

[StandFree1982]

TV Money = More Money for bigger clubs = Bigger Clubs getting into Europe = Even more money for the bigger clubs = less competition in the leagues due to lesser clubs having a lot less money than the bigger clubs = lower crowds

 

TV Money = Higher wages for players = best players going to the "big" clubs for more money = lower standard of players going to smaller clubs = less competetive and less entertainment = lower crowds

 

TV Money = higher wages = higher ticket prices = lower crowds.

 

The more money thats gone into football, the less rich football has become. In the end, it's always going to be the fans that pay the price for players and clubs greed.

[The Boofon]

I thought somebody would have stuck the BBC story up.

 

I'll look for it and stick a link up.

 

Here's a choice quote -

 

"Each club gets around

[barassie_afc]

No surprise, bums on seats is still the major revenue driver, Hearts arent doing to badly re crowds , Hibs are going in wrong direction, we are in deep sh*t if this trend continues , average attendances , SPL below

 

08/09

 

Hearts 14398

Aberdeen 12929

Hibernian 12684

 

09/10

 

Hearts 14484

Hibernian 12164

Aberdeen 10461

 

10/11

 

Hearts 14185

Hibernian 11756

Aberdeen 9129

[amancalledbuck]

Aye I'm surprised nobody posted this earlier.

 

Oh they did.

 

f**k off.

[The Boofon]

No surprise, bums on seats is still the major revenue driver, Hearts arent doing to badly re crowds , Hibs are going in wrong direction, we are in deep sh*t if this trend continues , average attendances , SPL below

 

08/09

 

Hearts 14398

Aberdeen 12929

Hibernian 12684

 

09/10

 

Hearts 14484

Hibernian 12164

Aberdeen 10461

 

10/11

 

Hearts 14185

Hibernian 11756

Aberdeen 9129

 

Almost 4000 less than 08/09

 

Any board running a club professionally would be worried about that.

 

Call it an average of 15 quid a ticket with concessions taken into account. That's 60,000 quid a game lost without catering and merchandise taken into account.

 

Worrying times if they were worried.

 

They aren't though so carry on.

[tup]

I've said it before, scrap the TV deal and get people back into the stadiums, f**k the armchair or pub supporters, most of them are w*nkers anyway, more interested in drinking than football.

 

Football needs to be given back to the fans who actually attend the games, it's hardly value for money right now.

 

30 years ago we had one of the strongest leagues in Europe.

 

What's the difference?

 

That's right, live TV football.

 

Get rid of it.

[Dynamo]

Almost 4000 less than 08/09

 

Any board running a club professionally would be worried about that.

 

Call it an average of 15 quid a ticket with concessions taken into account. That's 60,000 quid a game lost without catering and merchandise taken into account.

 

Worrying times if they were worried.

 

They aren't though so carry on.

 

 

AFC -

 

I'd actually expect the club to be shitting themselves and do something drastic to try and reverse the trend , but no.

 

 

This seasons average will be down on last seasons I predict.

[Dynamo]

I've said it before, scrap the TV deal and get people back into the stadiums, f**k the armchair or pub supporters, most of them are w*nkers anyway, more interested in drinking than football.

 

Football needs to be given back to the fans who actually attend the games, it's hardly value for money right now.

 

30 years ago we had one of the strongest leagues in Europe.

 

What's the difference?

 

That's right, live TV football.

 

Get rid of it.

 

I agree, TV has f**ked football. We all know that (except our resident dutchy).

 

If the SPL had no live games, armchair fans would just watch the Premiership instead, sad, very sad.

[barassie_afc]

I agree, TV has f**ked football. We all know that (except our resident dutchy).

 

If the SPL had no live games, armchair fans would just watch the Premiership instead, sad, very sad.

 

This isnt down to solely to TV, a lot of it is due to the pish that is put in front of them, and the fact we have been sh*te for 3 years

[The Boofon]

I've said it before, scrap the TV deal and get people back into the stadiums, f**k the armchair or pub supporters, most of them are w*nkers anyway, more interested in drinking than football.

 

Football needs to be given back to the fans who actually attend the games, it's hardly value for money right now.

 

30 years ago we had one of the strongest leagues in Europe.

 

What's the difference?

 

That's right, live TV football.

 

Get rid of it.

 

 

I agree, TV has f**ked football. We all know that (except our resident dutchy).

 

If the SPL had no live games, armchair fans would just watch the Premiership instead, sad, very sad.

 

Ah but if we had no Live TV games all the games would be on at 3pm on a Saturday when there are no games to watch on telly.

 

That rule was designed to get people to games but it fails miserably now due to the saturation of football on the telly.

 

Armchair fans would have to get out of their chair and go to the match to see their team. (Live streams not counting in this debate)

[barassie_afc]

Yet some clubs are showing stready or even increasing average attendaces, a lot of this is skewed by the reduction from Celtic. I still say if we were playing attractive fitba and contesting at the right end of the league we would have healthy attendances

[Stoney]

Easy enough to blame sky etc for folk not going to games, but sky has been on the go now for 15 years +

 

Why not look at the fact that ticket prices have more than doubled and folk just cant afford it anymore.

[tup]

Premiership fans, in Scotland, are not football fans in my opinion.

 

They are lovers of razzamatazz and would be better suited going to the opera.

 

Scottish fitba has always been spit and sawdust, and we don't want the English sanitisation here, exacerbated by TV coverage, so that you canna even f**king swear your way through a game any more without getting horsed out the f**king door like a f**king criminal.

 

And players are torn to shreds for swearing by Guardianistas in England, such is the gentrification of it all.

[RUL]

Yet some clubs are showing stready or even increasing average attendaces, a lot of this is skewed by the reduction from Celtic. I still say if we were playing attractive fitba and contesting at the right end of the league we would have healthy attendances

 

Its a combination, the footballs sh*te so folk stop going. We fluke a result and folk think we may be improving, it pisses with rain and they find out its

[The Boofon]

Easy enough to blame sky etc for folk not going to games, but sky has been on the go now for 15 years +

 

Why not look at the fact that ticket prices have more than doubled and folk just cant afford it anymore.

 

 

It's a mix of both though Stoney.

 

Aberdeen v Killie at 3 pm on a Saturday against Man U V Man City at 12.15 kick off means some folk won't bother going to the Aberdeen game because Man U are on the telly and some won't go because the tickets are expensive.

 

Costs of tickets has went up because players get paid more due to the increase in Sky television money inflating salaries across the board.

 

It's all linked together in a vicious circle at the end of the day.

[tup]

Easy enough to blame sky etc for folk not going to games, but sky has been on the go now for 15 years +

 

Why not look at the fact that ticket prices have more than doubled and folk just cant afford it anymore.

 

Why have ticket prices doubled?

 

Because salaries have increased massively.

 

Why did this happen?

 

Because of the money Sky gave for the TV deal.

 

 

So it's good that you agree Sky is the issue, even though you never realised you were agreeing.

[amancalledbuck]

Scottish fitba is just cheap, pre match entertainment for the big EPL game.

 

It's the equivalent of a schools penalty competition.

[Stoney]

Tup - Our saleries are coming down season after season.

 

That cant be used as an excuse.

 

I Dont really care about the whole sky debate.

 

I like to watch the football in the pub with my mates before and after games at pittodrie.

 

Its called a saturday.

[tup]

Tup - Our saleries are coming down season after season.

 

That cant be used as an excuse.

 

I Dont really care about the whole sky debate.

 

I like to watch the football in the pub with my mates before and after games at pittodrie.

 

Its called a saturday.

 

In a nutshell there you have it.

 

Too many with the same attitude.

 

I only give a f**k about one team.

[E-P-K]

Are match day, and season tickets for adults really double in cost from 1995 till now ?

[Stoney]

In a nutshell there you have it.

 

Too many with the same attitude.

 

I only give a f**k about one team.

 

 

You dont have to support a team to watch a game of football.

 

If you only watch Aberdeen than its no wonder you know so little about football

[Sydney_Red]

Premiership fans, in Scotland, are not football fans in my opinion.

 

They are lovers of razzamatazz and would be better suited going to the opera.

 

I would go further. EPL is not really sport. It is "sport entertainment" in much the same way as WWF wrestling is. A scripted load of p!ss designed to rake pay per view dollars off the masses. SPL may be a gash league, but at least it is proper sport. F'ck sky and f'ck espn. And f'ck the old firm while I'm at it. A league with no ugly sisters and no live TV coverage would do me.

[baconman]

Scottish fitba as a product and i am afraid thats the way you have to look at it is simply crap.

 

If they want to get bums on seats they have to drop the prices. You will never attract new or disillusioned fans if you keep charging over inflated prices for poor quality which is what it is.

[Stoney]

Are match day, and season tickets for adults really double in cost from 1995 till now ?

 

 

I would say definitley

 

Cant speak about adult tickets as didnt pay full price for most grounds till i was 22

 

But in 1995 i was

[Sonoftherock]

I would go further. EPL is not really sport. It is "sport entertainment" in much the same way as WWF wrestling is. A scripted load of p!ss designed to rake pay per view dollars off the masses. SPL may be a gash league, but at least it is proper sport. F'ck sky and f'ck espn. And f'ck the old firm while I'm at it. A league with no ugly sisters and no live TV coverage would do me.

 

I'm assuming you aren't serious when you say that EPL is scripted like WWF....

 

Anyway, your final sentence.... this is what I think will end up happing, 10 or 15 years down the line. Rangers and celtic will leave and our top league will become semi-professional, like the league or Ireland or Wales. To be honest, I think it might be better that way. The current SPL is just an utter embarrassment.

[The Boofon]

I would say definitley

 

Cant speak about adult tickets as didnt pay full price for most grounds till i was 22

 

But in 1995 i was

[The Boofon]

I'm assuming you aren't serious when you say that EPL is scripted like WWF....

 

Anyway, your final sentence.... this is what I think will end up happing, 10 or 15 years down the line. Rangers and celtic will leave and our top league will become semi-professional, like the league or Ireland or Wales. To be honest, I think it might be better that way. The current SPL is just an utter embarrassment.

 

 

That would do me. I'll support Aberdeen regardless of their league position or status.

[Dynamo]

SPL clubs should control their own home games with regards to TV. Pay Per View, online, worldwide. Like Red TV do for overseas. If you want to watch the game, you pay online. For the sorts that don't go. No games live on SKY TV or an equivalent.

 

Aberdeen - Rangers - If a hun wants to watch this they'll have to pay online at afc.co.uk for the privilege.

 

Likewise if the Huns were playing us at Ibrox, we pay a fiver of whatever to watch the game, if we want to ( a game that is not normally available to watch - (legally )

 

We'd probably make more money. A day like today (pishing down) but 10 degrees colder in December, lead up to christmas, Aberdeen vs. Motherwell... i'm sure a lot of people who wouldnt have went to the game otherwise would maybe pay a fiver to watch the game online. I don't think it would affect the match attendance much, but you'd make more money from online 'sales' you wouldnt have received otherwise. Thin of the money you could bring in from OF at home, thousands of the c**ts paying a fiver worldwide.

 

Only an idea, dunno if it woul work well, but maybe better than the pish just now.