Pudgie Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 For those wanting Strachan sacked. Are you not a little worried that the SFA may approach McInnes for the job? Not many others out there that I can see interesting them really. McNamara has proven he's pish. Cannot think of many more (with the required arse cheek links) that would be worth a look. Maybe they would try & get Fergie out of his armchairI really hope they do come calling for McInnes. That would show at least a little bit of a desire for change and say to me that we're heading in the right direction. Hopefully we'd tell Scotland to gwa and take a fuck to themselves but I'd be more than happy for them to approach Derek. Could he do both? What was your recent stat with domestic players and the national team again? Was that the one where we've not had a home based player since x and the countries that have? I'm sure all the home nations were at it bar England. Link to comment
Dynamo Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 It's all very sad watching Scotland. The what if's every 2 years.The discussions on what's wrong with the game.Nothing EVER changes though.An organisation so against change as it would effectively be turkeys voting for Christmas. Too many jobs for the boys. Link to comment
RAZOR Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 I really hope they do come calling for McInnes. That would show at least a little bit of a desire for change and say to me that we're heading in the right direction. Hopefully we'd tell Scotland to gwa and take a fuck to themselves but I'd be more than happy for them to approach Derek. Could he do both? Was that the one where we've not had a home based player since x and the countries that have? I'm sure all the home nations were at it bar England. Outwith Celtic, aye. Dig it up Link to comment
Dandydon D Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Did folk honestly believe we would qualify from that group? We gave it a good go and that is about all we can expect at the moment. We were 1 result away from pipping Ireland to the playoffs. Link to comment
Dynamo Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Did folk honestly believe we would qualify from that group? We gave it a good go and that is about all we can expect at the moment. We were 1 result away from pipping Ireland to the playoffs. Aye the mighty Ireland....a team we took 4 points from. Yet they still finished above us. Link to comment
boboisared Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Folk can mention how tough the group was but we would not have qualified from Northern Ireland's group. We may have made the play offs. Link to comment
Bluto10 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 It's all very sad watching Scotland. The what if's every 2 years.The discussions on what's wrong with the game.Nothing EVER changes though.An organisation so against change as it would effectively be turkeys voting for Christmas. Too many jobs for the boys.I don't think there have been many what ifs the past twenty years. We are normally never at the races apart from Euro08. Coming behind Poland and Ireland is par for the course. Compared to most other groups it was one of more competitive, esp withIreland outdoing Germany. The Dutch group was another group we wouldn't have qualified from . Link to comment
Pudgie Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Outwith Celtic, aye. Dig it upI'm on it boss. Fuck knows what thread it is in, but I'll get there. Haud tight. Link to comment
RUL Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Good rant from Willie Miller last night about celebrating being shite. Link to comment
boboisared Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I don't think there have been many what ifs the past twenty years. We are normally never at the races apart from Euro08. Coming behind Poland and Ireland is par for the course. Compared to most other groups it was one of more competitive, esp withIreland outdoing Germany. The Dutch group was another group we wouldn't have qualified from .You're pretty spot on Bloots. We lose away to Macedonia and folk will blame the heat etc. We're just not good enough. We've won 4 games in this qualifying campaign. 2 of those were against the no hopers from Gibraltar. In the old system the results against these teams were disregarded, in that scenario we would end up with 2 wins. It's easier than ever to qualify and we still could not manage this. The only time we looked like a team that was heading in the right direction is the Ireland game at home. Strachan can moan about luck all he wants. We've had plenty of it. Link to comment
boboisared Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Griffiths has better technique than Fletcher? you WOT?!I thought that was strange but he did make some good points so I never called him up on it. Fletcher is a much better all round player than the Thumb. Fletcher misses good chances. Griffiths scores half chances. I know who I would rather have. Link to comment
E-P-K Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I don't think there have been many what ifs the past twenty years. We are normally never at the races apart from Euro08. Coming behind Poland and Ireland is par for the course. Compared to most other groups it was one of more competitive, esp withIreland outdoing Germany. The Dutch group was another group we wouldn't have qualified from . Euro 2004 Scotland got to the Play off V Holland. Link to comment
boboisared Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Euro 2004 Scotland got to the Play off V Holland. The play off against Holland, Darren Fletcher and McFadden etc playing with no fear whatsoever. Look at Fletcher whenever he plays for Scotland now. It's coached out of them. Link to comment
E-P-K Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 The play off against Holland, Darren Fletcher and McFadden etc playing with no fear whatsoever. Look at Fletcher whenever he plays for Scotland now. It's coached out of them. The first leg perhaps, In Amsterdam Scotland got beat by their biggest margin for over 40 years. 6-0 Link to comment
Pudgie Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Sorry @@RAZOR I've came up statless. We're not calling up players from our home leagues (Ireland, Wales, and Norn Irn are at it as well) and it's just destroying the reputation and quality of our leagues. However, all the others have gotten something from it, a chance at or guaranteed qualification. We've got fuck all, and have had fuck all for almost the past 2 decades. Using the national team as a tool to better the league is our best option to progress the game up here imo. It might not be pretty for a while, but we need to do something. We had a gift of qualification from UEFA and we fucked it. If Strachan keeps his job then I'm done for the next 2 years at least because there's just nothing going to change, evidenced by his selection of Greer last night. Link to comment
RAZOR Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 You're pretty spot on Bloots. We lose away to Macedonia and folk will blame the heat etc. We're just not good enough. We beat Macedonia away last campaign. Link to comment
RAZOR Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 Sorry @@RAZOR I've came up statless. We're not calling up players from our home leagues (Ireland, Wales, and Norn Irn are at it as well) and it's just destroying the reputation and quality of our leagues. However, all the others have gotten something from it, a chance at or guaranteed qualification. We've got fuck all, and have had fuck all for almost the past 2 decades. Using the national team as a tool to better the league is our best option to progress the game up here imo. It might not be pretty for a while, but we need to do something. We had a gift of qualification from UEFA and we fucked it. If Strachan keeps his job then I'm done for the next 2 years at least because there's just nothing going to change, evidenced by his selection of Greer last night. Seem to remember you posting it up on FB as well. RoI, Wales and Norn Ire don't call up players from their domestic leagues either tbf. Link to comment
Foster14 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Seem to remember you posting it up on FB as well. RoI, Wales and Norn Ire don't call up players from their domestic leagues either tbf. Do any of those countries actually have a fully professional top league? Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I see the media and newspapers are getting excited about the result last night with S.Fletcher coming out of the euros looking like a fucking hero. We beat a pub team 6-0 in a meaningless game ffs , fair enough if it actually meant something. Link to comment
The Oxford Don Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 We beat Macedonia away last campaign.We lost 1-0 away to Macedonia in 2009, and the heat was certainly used as an excuse. TBF I think it may have been valid but also evidence of another SFA fuck-up as they agreed to play the match at a time when they knew it would be baking hot. Seem to remember there was a right old stink in the press about it after the game. Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Seem to remember you posting it up on FB as well. RoI, Wales and Norn Ire don't call up players from their domestic leagues either tbf.However Northern Ireland are able to call up players from the Scottish Premiership and qualify, and yet Scottish players who are arguably better than those selected for Norn Iron get ignored by Scotland. Link to comment
Clydeside_Sheep Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Scotland would claim 'Glorious Defeat' if they failed to qualify from a group including Lapland and Melchester Rovers To be fair, we dont have a single player who could lace the boots of either Santa Claus or Roy of the Rovers. 1 Link to comment
Foster14 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I found it funny that during the game against Poland, Ian Crocker tried to demean Lewandowski's top scorer in the Euro qualifying as prior to scoring against us, 9 of his 10 goals had been against Gibraltar (6) and Georgia (3). I was thinking how that was a great way to demean it when Scotland scored 0 goals against Georgia in two attempts... Link to comment
Foster14 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 We lost 1-0 away to Macedonia in 2009, and the heat was certainly used as an excuse. TBF I think it may have been valid but also evidence of another SFA fuck-up as they agreed to play the match at a time when they knew it would be baking hot. Seem to remember there was a right old stink in the press about it after the game. We did. In addition, I think Burley claimed he had made the correct decision in travelling out the day before and having one training session before hand... Link to comment
boboisared Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 We lost 1-0 away to Macedonia in 2009, and the heat was certainly used as an excuse. TBF I think it may have been valid but also evidence of another SFA fuck-up as they agreed to play the match at a time when they knew it would be baking hot. Seem to remember there was a right old stink in the press about it after the game.Yeah. The main reason we lost as not the heat. It was the fact we didn't know how to play football in that heat. Ferguson was out, injured I believe. Folk can criticise him for passing sideways all they like but that day it was what was needed. Someone to keep the ball. We flung long ball after long ball forward with no success. Ended up chasing the Macedonians round like dafties as they passed rings around us. Link to comment
boboisared Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I found it funny that during the game against Poland, Ian Crocker tried to demean Lewandowski's top scorer in the Euro qualifying as prior to scoring against us, 9 of his 10 goals had been against Gibraltar (6) and Georgia (3). I was thinking how that was a great way to demean it when Scotland scored 0 goals against Georgia in two attempts... Link to comment
tommo1903 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Quick Wikipedia search. Last 3 years we've had the following non Celtic players given their first caps: Gary Mackay-Steven November 2013 (Dundee United)Murray Davidson November 2012.(St J)Andrew Shinnie November 2012 (ICT)Leigh Griffiths November 2012 (Hibs)*Liam Kelly November 2012 (Killie) *On loan from Wolves. Griffiths only one to earn more than one cap from that lot too. Link to comment
RAZOR Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 We lost 1-0 away to Macedonia in 2009, and the heat was certainly used as an excuse. TBF I think it may have been valid but also evidence of another SFA fuck-up as they agreed to play the match at a time when they knew it would be baking hot. Seem to remember there was a right old stink in the press about it after the game. It was but we clearly learned our lesson and beat them in Maceodnia on the last campaign. Link to comment
tommo1903 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Scotland squad from last game had the following non-Celtic SPFL players: Shinnie - Not Capped Samson, Bain, Reynolds, Patterson all called up in last 12 months but not capped. Northern Ireland squad from last game had the following non-Celtic SPFL players: McGovern (Hamilton)Mannus (St J)McLaughlin (Aberdeen)* On LoanMcGinn (Aberdeen)Magennis (Killie)McKay (United)Boyce (County) Paul Paton (United) been capped in last 12 months also. Wales squadWard (Aberdeen)* On Loan - Not CappedWilliams (ICT) - Not Capped Jake Taylor (Motherwell) been capped in last 12 months. So in last 12 months, the following caps outwith Celtic have been awarded (Call Ups in brackets) NI - 8 (8)Wales - 1 (3)Scotland - 0 (5) Link to comment
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