Spfl Referees Are Shite Thread

[BWG]

There's not a single one out of the entire gaggle of bastards we have for referees that I'd say are actually fit for purpose.

 

This weekend saw Craig Thomson win a trophy for Celtic, Steven McLean and co try his fucking best to get Killie back into a game they had no right to be in and Don Robertson allow Hamilton to kick fuck out of Hibs... the last one admittedly being quite funny.

 

These corrupt fuckers would piss on your shoe and tell you it's raining if it meant that their beloved arse cheeks got some sort of benefit from it. Video refereeing is a must now.

[mavv1903]

agree they are all brutal

[RUL]

In fairness to McLean it was the assistant referee that gave offside.

[BWG]

In fairness to McLean it was the assistant referee that gave offside.

 

I have edited to reflect that. Still think he's a useless cunt who's cost us many a game with his shiteness.

[Lencarl]

The standard of Scottish refereeing is clear to see when Celtic are playing in Europe.

 

In Scotland they are given almost every decision in their favour.

 

Playing in European games the difference is clear to see.

[BWG]

Motherwell goalkeeper Trevor Carson has described as "incredible" overhearing referee Craig Thomson ask Scott Sinclair whether he dived or not in yesterday's Betfred Cup final

 

I mean fucking hell. Actually asking him if he dived. If that's not gross incompetence I dinna ken fit is.

[RAZOR]

Just watched the Hibs Hamilton highlights. Another absolute mare for the refs there. They are especially shocking at present.

[Dal Riata Don]

Motherwell goalkeeper Trevor Carson has described as "incredible" overhearing referee Craig Thomson ask Scott Sinclair whether he dived or not in yesterday's Betfred Cup final

 

I mean fucking hell. Actually asking him if he dived. If that's not gross incompetence I dinna ken fit is.

I think that's actually an example of good reff-ing. To me it doesn't imply that the ref missed it but but that he's testing the player's character.

 

It shows the player respect but at the same time doesn't commit the ref to one decision or another. It would be a good technique with younger and/or players with a rep for being fair.

 

If the player says no angrily then the ref can say; 'Well, you have to understand that it looked that way to me'. Taking the player's view on board could diffuse tensions and sidestep a yellow for dissent.

 

If the player says no more softly then the ref can say the same thing and give a warning, again without directly calling the player a cheat.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Im not getting too hung up on the two tackles in the final personally.

 

Kipre doesn't mean it but does fuck him. Simple booking given its his first challenge and told to keep the toe down, studs in would have sufficed. Dembele certainly does mean it but luckily doesn't do any damage. Again booking is about right not least since by then his fourth official will have told him off the tv that he's fucked up the Kipre one. Get them both together, tell them to stop acting like fannies, tell Brown to get that fucking smirk off his puss and get on with the game.

 

Re the penalties. If that's a penalty then so is Moults. And Moult's is never a penalty.

[BWG]

I think that's actually an example of good reff-ing. To me it doesn't imply that the ref missed it but but that he's testing the player's character.

 

It shows the player respect but at the same time doesn't commit the ref to one decision or another. It would be a good technique with younger and/or players with a rep for being fair.

 

If the player says no angrily then the ref can say; 'Well, you have to understand that it looked that way to me'. Taking the player's view on board could diffuse tensions and sidestep a yellow for dissent.

 

If the player says no more softly then the ref can say the same thing and give a warning, again without directly calling the player a cheat.

 

Fucking hell.

[cumbernauld red]

I think everyone is in agreement that Scottish referees are shite. Worst I remember was Colum disallowing 3 Aberdeen goals at Hamilton a number of years back. Hate to say it, but fans of all clubs feel the same. (Barca goal not given last night against Valencia was a shocker).Is video technology the answer or is retrospective action against crap refs such as Thomson or players cheating such as Sinclair the answer? Remove power base from West coast football brown nose apologists? Buggered if I know!

[tup]

It is not incompetence, it is base corruption.

 

In my view, there is definitely money involved and our referees are actively corrupt.

 

Collum went to the Euros and reffed no bother. That suggests he is far from incompetent.

 

Incompetence = the excuse refs use for themselves to cover their criminal activity.

[aberdeen1970]

If he needs to ask the player if he dived then he couldn't have been certain it was a penalty and therefore shouldn't have given it in the first place

[V for Vendetta]

It is not incompetence, it is base corruption.

 

In my view, there is definitely money involved and our referees are actively corrupt.

 

Collum went to the Euros and reffed no bother. That suggests he is far from incompetent.

 

Incompetence = the excuse refs use for themselves to cover their criminal activity.

 

Agree with this to an extent.

 

The SRU seem to have no major problems finding and training Scottish referees who are capable and balanced.

 

So what is the excuse the SFA have that covers whole generations of refereeing "incompetence"?

 

Edit to add:

There is clearly nothing inherently making Scottish people unable to referee sports (other sports manage it)

Its the people the SFA are choosing/promoting and the way they are choosing them that's the issue,

[V for Vendetta]

If he needs to ask the player if he dived then he couldn't have been certain it was a penalty and therefore shouldn't have given it in the first place

 

Its a completely ambiguous question anyway (for a player at least)

 

Post match Sinclair basically admitted he dived at the slightest contact.

 

So you could say he lied to Thompson.

[aberdeen1970]

Its a completely ambiguous question anyway (for a player at least)

 

Post match Sinclair basically admitted he dived at the slightest contact.

 

So you could say he lied to Thompson.

Yeah, players are never going to say anything else but he shouldn't be engaging with him in the first place on the matter. If he was in any doubt in the first place he should have played on, that's the rules he needs to follow. Last season we had Bobby Madden asking players if it was a penalty in the Celtic Rangers 1-1 game now we have Thomson. It's laughable.

[Wester Hailes Skins]

These things even out over a season. Some go for Celtic. Some go for Sevco.

[Reliablesource]

It is the sfa and it's unwillingness to fund full time, well paid refs. That is the problem and it seems it always will be.

[V for Vendetta]

It is the sfa and it's unwillingness to fund full time, well paid refs. That is the problem and it seems it always will be.

 

Fee for a premiership match is 850.

 

How many will a ref get a month? 2, 3, 4?

 

Its a significant amount of top up cash - we should expect good quality officiating for that.

 

The whole refereeing organisation should be made independant, taken away from the SFA and based somewhere away from the biggest cities. Again Stirling or somewhere makes sense.

 

Then get some control in about where the refs come from, i bet most of the ones at the moment are from Glasgow or Lanarkshire.

 

It needs to be balanced.

 

And a Ref's team affinity should be on public record too.

 

What a nonsense having season ticket holders referring their own team.

[fine-n-dandy]

This is not a new thing. There is in fact already a thread on this.

[mcdougall(4)]

Dog bites man

[Reliablesource]

^^

It doesn't really matter what their match fee is. They aren't full time refs. They aren't even fit enough to merit the phrase 'part-time refs'. There is not even the incentive to do well at their job/past-time as they will get their match fee regardless seeing as they don't have any competition in their 'work'. There are only 5 or 6 games a week in the Spfl and the in-refs get the lot, it's only around £250 for a championship game.

 

Give refs a good salary when they get to the top, give an extra bonus for staying in the top league based on good performances and get all the hobby-refs to fuck. Make them focus 100% on the game like players and management teams do. They are extremely important and right now, in my opinion, are one of the major factors holding our game back. Basically, they don't really have to give a shit and who could blame them?

[fine-n-dandy]

^^

It doesn't really matter what their match fee is. They aren't full time refs. They aren't even fit enough to merit the phrase 'part-time refs'. There is not even the incentive to do well at their job/past-time as they will get their match fee regardless seeing as they don't have any competition in their 'work'. There are only 5 or 6 games a week in the Spfl and the in-refs get the lot, it's only around £250 for a championship game.

Give refs a good salary when they get to the top, give an extra bonus for staying in the top league based on good performances and get all the hobby-refs to fuck. Make them focus 100% on the game like players and management teams do. They are extremely important and right now, in my opinion, are one of the major factors holding our game back. Basically, they don't really have to give a shit and who could blame them?

Yeah sounds like a genius plan.

 

Problem being that those deciding on what is deemed 'good performances' & thus bonuses, are arse cheek fans

 

 

Scottish footballs lifetime guarantee. Re-record not fade away

[Reliablesource]

Yeah sounds like a genius plan.

 

Problem being that those deciding on what is deemed 'good performances' & thus bonuses, are arse cheek fans

 

 

Scottish footballs lifetime guarantee. Re-record not fade away

Don't you know there's already a thread for this shit?

[BWG]

Motherwell have bottled appealing their red card. Always lying down to the arse cheeks.

[RAZOR]

Motherwell have bottled appealing their red card. Always lying down to the arse cheeks.

Wtf?

[DD1903]

Motherwell have bottled appealing their red card. Always lying down to the arse cheeks.

He said he didnt want to waste the time or money. Says plenty

[Sheepo]

Can add Ross County getting a good goal disallowed at Hearts this Weekend to the list of Weekend cheats

[DelMonte]

Are our refs seriously any worse than other counties? In England there was a number of shocking decisions this weekend. In Spain, Barcelona were denied a goal that was about 3 yards over the line. Seems most countries have the same problem apart from Germany and Italy where they've introduced VAR.

[Reliablesource]

Are our refs seriously any worse than other counties?

Yes is the simple answer. They are from a bygone era.

 

Aye sure, there are shite decisions and poor reffing performances all over the world. You could find fault everywhere but ffs, we've only got about 5 games a week under the spotlight. Each one is a fucking reffing joke. Every game you could sit and watch and I guarantee that at some stage you'd be thinking about the ref and how he's totally lost control or has no clue what he's doing, that's each game.

 

The linesmen are just as bad. They aren't dealing with the high pressure, constantly on the edge offside decision against the world's best and fastest strikers like the epl or la liga for examples. They are just getting ordinary decisions spectacularly wrong, consistently, every week.