Zeus Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Really looking forward to freedom day tomorrow! Link to comment
BrianFaePerth Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 1 hour ago, alscotoz said: They've fucked it up here good and proper. Had a gold chance for it to be a memory and now the country's in probably in the worst shape it's been since this all kicked off. Yep but we are apparently wrong according to all the non-Oz based posters. Link to comment
BrianFaePerth Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Geoff_Tipps said: So I guess we'd be as well stop the vaccination programme in Australia as it's clearly more dangerous than the virus. Statistically that would be correct and is a reflection of the situation here. Link to comment
BrianFaePerth Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Dons79 said: there’s so little because not even your citizens that were out the country have only been allowed in in very small numbers, he closed your airports and stopped any cunt coming in, stopping Covid stone dead, his problem now is convincing a population that hasn’t been troubled with the virus and hardly any death and persuade the population in taking the vaccine, he can’t open up till a vaccination program is well under way, or it will end up like Brazil. Good luck To put into context last week we had 54000 cases in that one week throughout the uk ( one week) almost double your entire affected so 1 week uk equals 1year 7 month Australia. 912 of the 914 died last year. There’s been two deaths in roughly 9 months, both of them in the past week. Meanwhile there have been significantly more vaccination deaths.The situation is so fucked up we’ve managed to go backwards while the rest of the world has gone forward. Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/7418265/boris-johnson-rishi-sunak-pinged-dodge-self-isolation/ They just so happen to be taking part in a pilot scheme. We're the biggest bunch of mugs going. Link to comment
BrianFaePerth Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 There is now way Boris even had the Covids, that was all a big sham too Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 It's amazing how many people are still buying it. A good mate of mine was saying yesterday "it's too early to open up" Link to comment
Parklife Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Dons79 said: There has been 3.61 billion vaccinations given and 3000 confirmed deaths worldwide directly due to the vaccine. Has there? Link to comment
Dons79 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Parklife said: Has there? According to the vaers system which is attributed to the who on vaccine deaths. and according to world statistics 3.61 billion vaccination given so yes unless the who and international statistics written by the virologists and scientists are wrong? was also written in the lancet as well.so scientific studies and numbers collated by every bodies health sector in all countries. Now of course that can be fudged to make the country look as if there dealing with it better. Link to comment
Poodler Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 32 minutes ago, Parklife said: Has there? For whatever reason, there may not be evidence published yet in this matter (there may be, I haven’t bothered to look). Anecdotally, though, I know it’s more prevalent than you think, i think it was March that I mentioned that the organ donation squad had had 6 of the cases in that month. So that’s at least 1 in a million in this country. You could argue that 1 death is a significant number Link to comment
Dons79 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 49 minutes ago, Parklife said: Has there? Also in the lancet over 1200 worldwide scientists and virologists have condemned freedom day saying Johnstones policy is morally repugnant and could lead the uk to being the Petri dish that could afford mutations with unlock capabilities to manifest and spread from the uk. Canada,New Zealand,Israel and italian governments are going to try to put a stop to Johnstone’s policy. Whitty has intimated that upon release we will be back in a lockdown in 2 months time. Israel is proof of bad policies when they gave up on social distancing and masks and as of next week will be in a lockdown yet again. this is all a ruse though, Johnson deliberately making a cunt of this to shield the tories money grabbing, also to hide the true impact of Brexit(mind that), not all ministers can be as thick as these cunts, this is about privatisation of the NHS, put all the pressure back on them, folks start to die again due to the virus, coupled with the 2 years of non cancer diagnosis, surgeries etc, media will jump on the bandwagon on cue, making the public hate the nhs, we will start blaming the doctors and nurses(Ken the folk that save our lives when needed)bit of time passes, unrest grows and then the government will come up with another plan, which will be to rip up the nhs on the guise of privatisation but the papers and politicians will be very careful not to use those words.more apathy and frustration from us and bingo. Tories are a majority government wouldn’t even need to put it to a vote for us. They’ll just do it, make a fortune and sail away with all there cash they garnered from Brexit,Covid, and the sale of the NHS to America.hope folks are saving there pennies, you will need them in the future. Meanwhile we will be complicit in our lack of fight to do anything about this. let the bodies pile high?,does that sound like someone who cares for there fellow man never mind a prime minister in charge of his subjects health?,could you have seen old Churchill coming out with that?, not even Margaret thatcher was as morally corrupt as this clown. Link to comment
Zeus Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 So to cut a long story short, the vaccines are useless? 1 Link to comment
Parklife Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Zeus said: So to cut a long story short, the vaccines are useless? No, Deirdre. Get back to sharing posts about a missing cat in Arkansas like the other Facebook Maws. 2 Link to comment
Zeus Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Parklife said: No, Deirdre. Get back to sharing posts about a missing cat in Arkansas like the other Facebook Maws. Nae need to be a complete padantic beaut there Parky......? I was replying to Dons79s comment. If we're in lockdown again in few months as Whitty says (I don't think we will be) that would render vaccines not overly effective no? They are breaking hospitalisations clearly so should he no need for further lockdowns? Link to comment
Poodler Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Zeus said: Nae need to be a complete padantic beaut there Parky......? I was replying to Dons79s comment. If we're in lockdown again in few months as Whitty says (I don't think we will be) that would render vaccines not overly effective no? They are breaking hospitalisations clearly so should he no need for further lockdowns? I think two weeks tomorrow will be a good indicator of that - a couple of weeks of level 0 and see what happens to hospital admissions. Think ARI is currently about 30% of its worst winter COVID numbers (from 1% a few weeks ago) Link to comment
Dons79 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Poodler said: For whatever reason, there may not be evidence published yet in this matter (there may be, I haven’t bothered to look). Anecdotally, though, I know it’s more prevalent than you think, i think it was March that I mentioned that the organ donation squad had had 6 of the cases in that month. So that’s at least 1 in a million in this country. You could argue that 1 death is a significant number Every life is precious, it’s someone’s mother,father,sister,brother etc, but as you know there is no complete safety given any medical interjection. There’s risks in any inoculation, by anafilaxis shock for example.but as you know by being a nurse the positives outweigh the negatives. In a case to case basis say a 25 year old took the jag!, full health, no underlying conditions, took a reaction to the vaccine and died, that’s really unlucky!, on that case it would be easy to say he didn’t need that given he was 25 in perfect health.easy to do. but some folk that haven’t had any inoculation 25, in perfect health has died of the virus. Nobody gets to know 100% if it would be advantageous to take it or not, it’s the risks we all have to take especially as there are no long term statistics yet.the short term statistics though show that it’s extremely unlikely to be affected by vaccine death. That’s all a pre curser of just thinking about your own mortality of course, that’s not taking into the moral dilemma of protecting your vulnerable family and friends. It’s a wonder why this doesn’t factor into some folks thinking Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Poodler said: I think two weeks tomorrow will be a good indicator of that - a couple of weeks of level 0 and see what happens to hospital admissions. Think ARI is currently about 30% of its worst winter COVID numbers (from 1% a few weeks ago) I checked the stats a few days ago and it was about 10%. It seems you can still catch Covid, even if double vaccinated, however the effect the virus has on vaccinated people appear to be far lower Link to comment
Dons79 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 30 minutes ago, Zeus said: Nae need to be a complete padantic beaut there Parky......? I was replying to Dons79s comment. If we're in lockdown again in few months as Whitty says (I don't think we will be) that would render vaccines not overly effective no? They are breaking hospitalisations clearly so should he no need for further lockdowns? 3 days ago Birmingham’s main hospital the jubilee a think has cancelled all operations because of Covid. So it’s defo not out the water yet, and as poodler stated we are always 2 -3 weeks behind due to incubation period.no vaccine is useless?, at worst it would take the edge of the virus and instead of killing you, fuck you into bed for 2 weeks, and mind your only thinking about your own self?, how about your mother?father?. Vaccines are to protect the community not just yourself. It’s a choice though, not forced, the more take it the less chance of someone giving it over to someone you love, vulnerable or not. Every single transmission, every one, has the capacity to mutate the virus and give it the possibility of being vaccine resistant. Or worse. it’s always been said for instance if it had the transmissibility of the flu, being an airborne virus and managed to for example mutate into a form of rabies, humanity is fucked.zombie gene would be born.but that would be worst case scenarios. Auto immune disorder would also be a disaster. Link to comment
Laichomoray Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Make of this what you will......? 1 Link to comment
NEM Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 39 minutes ago, Dons79 said: 3 days ago Birmingham’s main hospital the jubilee a think has cancelled all operations because of Covid. So it’s defo not out the water yet, and as poodler stated we are always 2 -3 weeks behind due to incubation period.no vaccine is useless?, at worst it would take the edge of the virus and instead of killing you, fuck you into bed for 2 weeks, and mind your only thinking about your own self?, how about your mother?father?. Vaccines are to protect the community not just yourself. It’s a choice though, not forced, the more take it the less chance of someone giving it over to someone you love, vulnerable or not. Every single transmission, every one, has the capacity to mutate the virus and give it the possibility of being vaccine resistant. Or worse. it’s always been said for instance if it had the transmissibility of the flu, being an airborne virus and managed to for example mutate into a form of rabies, humanity is fucked.zombie gene would be born.but that would be worst case scenarios. Auto immune disorder would also be a disaster. lol Get vaccinated or a vaccinated person may get sick from the virus they got vaccinated against because you're not vaccinated. Sounds legit Link to comment
Dons79 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Another point to make about vaccines is that everybody thinks that once double vaccinated that’s it good to go for the rest of your lives, absolutely not true, getting Covid affords you antibodies for up to six months. It appears vaccines double jag will afford at most 2 years protection.there already talking about boosters this year for the elderly or infirm.so alludes to that point. Like flu vaccinations they have to be made every year after the WHO receives the data for the problem strain that year, notifies the pharma companies who then Make it.there’s thousands and thousands of flu strains throughout the year. They cannot identify, make them all and wipe out the flu completely. It will be the same for this virus although it is a lot more potent than the flu.meaning money to check the problem variants, money to the pharma companies to make the vaccine and money to get the NHS to roll it out. We already in this country would struggle seen as the staff shortages within the NHS( Brexit helped with that, a lot were European not willing to stay in a hostile environment ie the U.K.). That’s without it mutating into a more serious virus. thing is the flu has been kicking about since mankind walked the earth. That’s all that time for our bodies to be able to fight the flu virus which in itself is a weaker virus. covid 19 is brand new, there are no historical length of time building immunity to this. Which makes us fragile to it. The worst thing the governments did was to stop calling it the novel (new)coronavirus. Link to comment
Dons79 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 19 minutes ago, NEM said: lol Get vaccinated or a vaccinated person may get sick from the virus they got vaccinated against because you're not vaccinated. Sounds legit Read the new post, you might understand how exactly vaccinations work especially against new viruses. Cmon I know you have a brain!.stop taking little sound bites from sentences as you could do that with Einstein’s work and make him look rather silly as well.or anything took out of context to make a point. you do realise double vaccinated people have died yes ? its a protection not a cure Link to comment
Matt Armstrong's Dog Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 3:33 PM, Bad_Mobby said: Good at driving lifeboats? Canna paddle a canoe so I would be dangerous with a lifeboat min. Link to comment
NEM Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dons79 said: Another point to make about vaccines is that everybody thinks that once double vaccinated that’s it good to go for the rest of your lives, absolutely not true, getting Covid affords you antibodies for up to six months. It appears vaccines double jag will afford at most 2 years protection.there already talking about boosters this year for the elderly or infirm.so alludes to that point. Like flu vaccinations they have to be made every year after the WHO receives the data for the problem strain that year, notifies the pharma companies who then Make it.there’s thousands and thousands of flu strains throughout the year. They cannot identify, make them all and wipe out the flu completely. It will be the same for this virus although it is a lot more potent than the flu.meaning money to check the problem variants, money to the pharma companies to make the vaccine and money to get the NHS to roll it out. We already in this country would struggle seen as the staff shortages within the NHS( Brexit helped with that, a lot were European not willing to stay in a hostile environment ie the U.K.). That’s without it mutating into a more serious virus. thing is the flu has been kicking about since mankind walked the earth. That’s all that time for our bodies to be able to fight the flu virus which in itself is a weaker virus. covid 19 is brand new, there are no historical length of time building immunity to this. Which makes us fragile to it. The worst thing the governments did was to stop calling it the novel (new)coronavirus. Bet they're absolutely gutted about that ??? 1 Link to comment
NEM Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dons79 said: Another point to make about vaccines is that everybody thinks that once double vaccinated that’s it good to go for the rest of your lives, absolutely not true, getting Covid affords you antibodies for up to six months. It appears vaccines double jag will afford at most 2 years protection.there already talking about boosters this year for the elderly or infirm.so alludes to that point. Like flu vaccinations they have to be made every year after the WHO receives the data for the problem strain that year, notifies the pharma companies who then Make it.there’s thousands and thousands of flu strains throughout the year. They cannot identify, make them all and wipe out the flu completely. It will be the same for this virus although it is a lot more potent than the flu.meaning money to check the problem variants, money to the pharma companies to make the vaccine and money to get the NHS to roll it out. We already in this country would struggle seen as the staff shortages within the NHS( Brexit helped with that, a lot were European not willing to stay in a hostile environment ie the U.K.). That’s without it mutating into a more serious virus. thing is the flu has been kicking about since mankind walked the earth. That’s all that time for our bodies to be able to fight the flu virus which in itself is a weaker virus. covid 19 is brand new, there are no historical length of time building immunity to this. Which makes us fragile to it. The worst thing the governments did was to stop calling it the novel (new)coronavirus. Viruses tend to get more virulent but weaker as they mutate - probably why we are seeing more cases but a far lower % translating into deaths compared to this time last year. Link to comment
Matt Armstrong's Dog Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 5:00 PM, Fridge said: What is it you do MAD? There’s bound to be folk on here that will know if some role is coming up in their line of work.? Are you in Aberdeen? No I am up north, Fridge min. I was an admin officer and Ccouncil tax assistant plus have tried my hand at many different disciplines but mastered none. My last job was at NESCOL on the Gallowgate back at the end of 2018 when I was a temp., covering for a quine on maternity leave. My contract was not extended after receiving a bollocking, one of many, for leaving a student record on a desk I had been working at. I got a suspended sentence for this act of criminality. Link to comment
Joe pike Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Dons79 said: Also in the lancet over 1200 worldwide scientists and virologists have condemned freedom day saying Johnstones policy is morally repugnant and could lead the uk to being the Petri dish that could afford mutations with unlock capabilities to manifest and spread from the uk. Canada,New Zealand,Israel and italian governments are going to try to put a stop to Johnstone’s policy. Whitty has intimated that upon release we will be back in a lockdown in 2 months time. Israel is proof of bad policies when they gave up on social distancing and masks and as of next week will be in a lockdown yet again. this is all a ruse though, Johnson deliberately making a cunt of this to shield the tories money grabbing, also to hide the true impact of Brexit(mind that), not all ministers can be as thick as these cunts, this is about privatisation of the NHS, put all the pressure back on them, folks start to die again due to the virus, coupled with the 2 years of non cancer diagnosis, surgeries etc, media will jump on the bandwagon on cue, making the public hate the nhs, we will start blaming the doctors and nurses(Ken the folk that save our lives when needed)bit of time passes, unrest grows and then the government will come up with another plan, which will be to rip up the nhs on the guise of privatisation but the papers and politicians will be very careful not to use those words.more apathy and frustration from us and bingo. Tories are a majority government wouldn’t even need to put it to a vote for us. They’ll just do it, make a fortune and sail away with all there cash they garnered from Brexit,Covid, and the sale of the NHS to America.hope folks are saving there pennies, you will need them in the future. Meanwhile we will be complicit in our lack of fight to do anything about this. let the bodies pile high?,does that sound like someone who cares for there fellow man never mind a prime minister in charge of his subjects health?,could you have seen old Churchill coming out with that?, not even Margaret thatcher was as morally corrupt as this clown. So how long do want everybody to hide under the bed for? When Australia and New Zealand finally open up all sorts of diseases are going to run riot . Jonathon Ashworth has just said he wants everybody tested for the flu. Link to comment
Dons79 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, NEM said: Viruses tend to get more virulent but weaker as they mutate - probably why we are seeing more cases but a far lower % translating into deaths compared to this time last year. You are correct on most viruses, but we still haven’t a clue on this one, hence why the M.E.R.S and S.A.R.S strains of coronavirus are gone. Mers Middle Eastern respiratory syndrome, specifically in the Middle East (raghead country) but that dispersed in no time at all, sars was helped by the very nature of south Asia’s citizens, shite feart of the government coupled with there already sociable mask wearing helped that burn out quite quick, Do you recall any of these viruses, lockdowns, amazing mount of money getting spent, economic hardship, job losses, countries shutting borders, etc. they were all corona viruses!. Why has this one not acted like the last 2?. viruses don’t all act the same. Spanish flu didn’t act like the normal flu when it wiped out a hell of a lot of the population when that happened nor did the Black Death. Link to comment
Dons79 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, Joe pike said: So how long do want everybody to hide under the bed for? When Australia and New Zealand finally open up all sorts of diseases are going to run riot . Jonathon Ashworth has just said he wants everybody tested for the flu. Don’t want anybody to hide under the bed?.these are facts, it’s just counting, do as you wish, couldn’t care less what you do bud?, who Jonathan ash worth the politician? That’s great but coronavirus and the flu are different viruses. That’s like saying cats and dogs are the same even though they are a completely different genus?. he’s an orthopaedic doctor/surgeon is he not?, so aye not a viroligist. he’s a bone surgeon Link to comment
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