Coronavirus

[StandFree1982]

16 minutes ago, Henry said:

Please stop using literally like that. 

Literally? or....

[Quagmire]

13 minutes ago, tutankamun said:

that's an awful lot of people to focus on shielding; old, fat, smokers, diabetics, cancer patients etc. etc. millions of people to focus on never mind the people that live with them

Still less than shielding the whole country? 

[BrianFaePerth]

2 hours ago, Sooper-hanz said:

Huge spike

DAN, DAN, DAN

[Fridge]

Assume the pubs are opening at 11. Reckon  there will be some footage of somebody getting shamed going into a bar by the lunchtime news.

[Parklife]

18 minutes ago, Quagmire said:

Still less than shielding the whole country? 

The whole country isn't shielding. 

[Quagmire]

44 minutes ago, Parklife said:

What's the alternative? Just ignore it and allow it to spread through the population again? 

I think the hope is that sooner rather than later we have an effective vaccine. Until then, what do we do? Sick people don't produce economic activity, so I don't see just allowing it to spread as a solution.

An effective protect the vulnerable strategy and let the rest live as normal. We both know this isn’t as black and white as it sounds but I don’t believe the way things are in Scotland is the best solution. Every couple of days on Facebook there’s another mate out of work or business going under and they need to revise the balance between that outcome against the threat of the virus.
 

I don’t know, the economy seemed to be doing alright while people were battling the common cold, the flu, depression, cancer etc etc. 

[Quagmire]

11 minutes ago, Parklife said:

The whole country isn't shielding. 

Matter of opinion. It goes back to how freely people can live their life’s.

[manboobs109]

Zero Covid. Lolzers. Talk about wishing it away. 

[Parklife]

32 minutes ago, Quagmire said:

An effective protect the vulnerable strategy 

What's the strategy? I agree it sounds sensible but How are we doing it if the rest are living as normal and the level of Covid in the general population Is high? 

 

[NEM]

14 minutes ago, Parklife said:

What's the strategy? I agree it sounds sensible but How are we doing it if the rest are living as normal and the level of Covid in the general population Is high? 

 

The majority of folk don't even have symptoms - nothing stopping them carrying on working

[BrianFaePerth]

35 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Zero Covid. Lolzers. Talk about wishing it away. 

Reality here and it’s just amazing, it’s Hotel california

[Sheepo]

We have 2 people within our Family circle that have been diagnosed with Terminal cancer in the last 2 months, one had suspected cancer in March but wasn't properly diagnosed until Late July the other diagnosed in August after being ill for a couple of Months. We don't know anyone who has had Covid let alone died from it.Too much concentration on Covid with not enough on other serious illnesses at no point has any Hospital in the UK and especially Aberdeen even been close to capacity during this pandemic with millions being wasted on pop up hospitals barely used or not used at all .

[Fridge]

10 minutes ago, Sheepo said:

We have 2 people within our Family circle that have been diagnosed with Terminal cancer in the last 2 months, one had suspected cancer in March but wasn't properly diagnosed until Late July the other diagnosed in August after being ill for a couple of Months. We don't know anyone who has had Covid let alone died from it.Too much concentration on Covid with not enough on other serious illnesses at no point has any Hospital in the UK and especially Aberdeen even been close to capacity during this pandemic with millions being wasted on pop up hospitals barely used or not used at all .

Sorry to here that min and  I agree.

The amount of mental health issues / school kids life’s  / some folk being scared to leave their houses / folk not being able to go doctors unless pretty much you are dying or have Covid  compared to the actual threat is unreal. 

[manboobs109]

1 hour ago, BrianFaePerth said:

Reality here and it’s just amazing, it’s Hotel california

I thought Melbourne was locked down no? 

[BrianFaePerth]

23 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

I thought Melbourne was locked down no? 

That’s an unimportant place thousands of kms from here.

 

Western Australia is covid free and has been since April. All wonderful in every day life, but you are not allowed to go overseas or even over east unless there’s a death in the family. You then need to get proof, submit it and hope for approval.

There are thousands of people stranded overseas who can’t come home. Only 75 pre approved people can fly in to Perth from overseas a day, and that’s straight in to army ran quarantine. Upshot with 2-3 flights coming in is Qatar, Emirates and the like only let first and business class passengers fly, the poor can’t get home.

 WA is a very internationally focused place with a lot of business travel overseas. Businesses are complaining like fuck that they can’t earn/expand or even do regular deals.

 

Still we’ve no covids, it’s the utopia you all dream of.

[RUL]

I thought elimination looked a great strategy a few weeks ago but we are nowhere near elimination and we are still living with heavy constraints.

One of the main drivers in the economy is folk doing stuff. Whether that be tribal stuff like going to the football, going to gigs, or even just taking your missus out with a group of friends.

If you see a football day out alone, the impact on bus companies not taking orders, pubs not getting fans in, bakers/chippers not selling stuff is huge. But this is just the indirect consequences. You've clubs not needing stewards, match day sellers, pie staff. A gig experience is really similar experience and both of these amount to a huge part of what folk in Scotland do for entertainment.

It was no surprise to me that one major retailer was saying clothes sales are down. When you see the new normal of a night out in Aberdeen when that gets rolled out across Scotland it'll have a huge impact on anyone bothering to go out.

I don't know the right answers either but I know elimination seemed tangibly close but now we're miles off and I really do worry for how bad it's going to get economically over winter.

[maryhilldon]

All the covid restrictions won't really bother someone that leads a dull life, isn't interested in going to watch sport, going to gigs and clubs, generally having fun. If you're pre-covid life consisted of going to work then going home to sit in front of the telly,  it won't have made a huge difference to you.  For the rest of us that enjoy the fun things in life it's utterly depressing.  I suspect which type of person you are is reflected in how you view this whole farce. 

[tutankamun]

13 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

All the covid restrictions won't really bother someone that leads a dull life, isn't interested in going to watch sport, going to gigs and clubs, generally having fun. If you're pre-covid life consisted of going to work then going home to sit in front of the telly,  it won't have made a huge difference to you.  For the rest of us that enjoy the fun things in life it's utterly depressing.  I suspect which type of person you are is reflected in how you view this whole farce. 

reminds me of my neighbours, the boring bastards. I bet they've hardly noticed Covid other than having to wear a mask in the shops. never went out before Covid, so no change for them.

[RUL]

23 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

All the covid restrictions won't really bother someone that leads a dull life, isn't interested in going to watch sport, going to gigs and clubs, generally having fun. If you're pre-covid life consisted of going to work then going home to sit in front of the telly,  it won't have made a huge difference to you.  For the rest of us that enjoy the fun things in life it's utterly depressing.  I suspect which type of person you are is reflected in how you view this whole farce. 

That's it. These are things that drive the economy. But even things I don't like going to theatre, museums, castles etc, these have all been and are continuing to be heavily impacted. We can't furlough forever so either we live with these industries and covid or these industries will close eventually. 

Even football is going to be heavily impacted the next year if this situation continues with no fans allowed. 

This current impasse situation of stopping life is not going to last when big companies or organisations are in trouble. 

[maryhilldon]

9 minutes ago, Millertime said:

do we lockdown because of it?

Do we keep kids off school because of it?

Do we give kids better marks than they would have got, for fear of offending them and as such mean that the next level of people into skilled jobs aren't going to be clever enough to do them?

No, thought not

Daft comparison Millerman,  cancer isn't contagious. There's no doubt cancer deaths will sky rocket in the next year or 2 though, due to lack of early diagnosis and postponed treatment. 

[tutankamun]

3 minutes ago, Millertime said:

do we lockdown because of it?

Do we keep kids off school because of it?

probably would have if it was contagious

[Parklife]

3 minutes ago, tutankamun said:

probably would have if it was contagious

Aye. Weird comments. 

[minijc]

25 minutes ago, Millertime said:

do we lockdown because of it?

Do we keep kids off school because of it?

Do we give kids better marks than they would have got, for fear of offending them and as such mean that the next level of people into skilled jobs aren't going to be clever enough to do them?

No, thought not

God bless you Cesc, much preferred when you thought you were batman, if I'm honest.

[Quagmire]

3 hours ago, Parklife said:

What's the strategy? I agree it sounds sensible but How are we doing it if the rest are living as normal and the level of Covid in the general population Is high? 

 

 

3 hours ago, NEM said:

The majority of folk don't even have symptoms - nothing stopping them carrying on working

I get where you’re coming from Parklike but if you’re saying you’re hoping for a vaccine sooner rather than later (as above) then would it not make sense to protect the vulnerable until then? And as NEM said let those who have no symptoms or are willing to take that risk get on with it. To be honest i presume that would naturally happen anyway and that’s why we haven’t seen many hospital admissions in the recent bout of infections. I presume you’re not going to get someone in remission with leukemia standing in the queue to get into Soul. The problem right now is people are losing their jobs or businesses through no fault of their own and we probably haven’t even seen the start of it. Things will be horrendous if we’re still going in and out of lockdown through to 2021. 

[strachanmcgheegoal]

I agree on the delayed diagnosis point but I don’t really have a problem with the nightingale pop ups especially as they appeared fairly evenly spread.  It’s not like there were none north of the Watford gap which was always a possibility.  Hindsight With these things is a wonderful thing but our preparedness for something we were learning on the run wasn’t the obvious failing.

[NEM]

1 hour ago, RUL said:

That's it. These are things that drive the economy. But even things I don't like going to theatre, museums, castles etc, these have all been and are continuing to be heavily impacted. We can't furlough forever so either we live with these industries and covid or these industries will close eventually. 

Even football is going to be heavily impacted the next year if this situation continues with no fans allowed. 

This current impasse situation of stopping life is not going to last when big companies or organisations are in trouble. 

The big corporations are fine, its small businesses going bust.  Probably all part of the plan.....

[NEM]

Just now, Sooper-hanz said:

Maybe long term they’ll go down because of it . Folk exercising more etc..

Gyms are shut and we've been encouraged to not leave the house.

 

How are folk "exercising more"?

[Zeus]

Mind right at the start of lock down you weren't meant to go out for exercise more than once or for more than an hour. 

Aye great way of fighting off a virus by encouraging folk to coop up indoors for weeks on end 

[Howard Marks]

Michael Gove suggested one hour of exercise was appropriate and Matt Hancock said that he didn't want to "ban exercise" but it might have to be looked at if people didn't follow guidelines. Fuck me those interviews don't age well.

Ban exercise. Lol.

[Parklife]

1 hour ago, Quagmire said:

I get where you’re coming from Parklike but if you’re saying you’re hoping for a vaccine sooner rather than later (as above) then would it not make sense to protect the vulnerable until then?

I don't think letting the virus run out of control and protecting the vulnerable are compatible. 

1 hour ago, Quagmire said:

And as NEM said let those who have no symptoms or are willing to take that risk get on with it.

And what about the majority of healthy people who don't want to get it either? Have they just to suck it up? Or have they to shield too? 

As I've said multiple times, sick folk don't produce economic activity anyway. 
 

1 hour ago, Quagmire said:

To be honest i presume that would naturally happen anyway and that’s why we haven’t seen many hospital admissions in the recent bout of infections. I presume you’re not going to get someone in remission with leukemia standing in the queue to get into Soul. The problem right now is people are losing their jobs or businesses through no fault of their own and we probably haven’t even seen the start of it. Things will be horrendous if we’re still going in and out of lockdown through to 2021. 

It is horrendous. Every possible way out of this is horrendous. Regardless of what we do.

Ive said many times what I think the best of a bad situation and tried to say why I think that and disagree with what others have said.

Unfortunately we're now in a place with this on here where it's pretty much impossible to have a proper debate on it. Yesterday we had a cunt literally (@henry) point scoring (erroneously, I might add). It's a bit pointless even engaging with the majority of folk as it's become somewhat tribal. Folk don't actually care what the facts are. What the science is. What new research says. Etc. 

2 hours ago, maryhilldon said:

All the covid restrictions won't really bother someone that leads a dull life, isn't interested in going to watch sport, going to gigs and clubs, generally having fun. If you're pre-covid life consisted of going to work then going home to sit in front of the telly,  it won't have made a huge difference to you.  For the rest of us that enjoy the fun things in life it's utterly depressing.  I suspect which type of person you are is reflected in how you view this whole farce. 

It's not about being "bothered" by them or not. They've cancelled my holiday to japan, my trips to Bilbao and Rome for the euros and my trip to Serbia or Norway for the Scotland play off. They've cancelled me attending games at Hampden for the euros. They've cancelled my pals wedding. All that on top of run of the mill socialising, supporting my team, seeing my family. 

Unfortunately I think much of them have been necessary.