Stephen Glass: What should we do?

[fine-n-dandy]

Glass getting a real easy time of it by many for the fact he’s an inexperienced manager that should never have gotten the job in first place. Also they are desperate for him to suddenly transform into a half way decent manager out of pure hope/pity more than seeing sense in that he simply isn’t a good manager & it will never happen. 
He won’t even get close to the average ‘heights’ of Mcinnes’s abilities but it looks like many fans (& Cormack mainly) will take far too long from stubbornness to realise or do anything about it. 
 

Glass is a dead horse. Sooner all at club admit so the better

[Parklife]

46 minutes ago, Millertime said:

How is it bizarre chat, what other barometer is there to judge how well glass is doing

 

Because the first half of the season isn't why McInnes got sacked. 

Glass is doing shite. If things don't improve rapidly and significantly he should be out of a job. 

However implying that the first half of last season had much baring on McInnes getting sacked is nonsense. 

[Millertime]

Love how fine and dandy posts more the less people engage with him

Bizarre

[Millertime]

2 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Because the first half of the season isn't why McInnes got sacked. 

Glass is doing shite. If thinks don't improve rapidly and significantly he should be out of a job. 

However implying that the first half of last season had much baring on McInnes getting sacked is nonsense. 

His start to his first full season is being benchmarked against every manager we have had since a 12 team league

He isn't favouring well at all amongst most of them, it's not just mcinnes

AND, again, he inherited a club in a much better position than any of the managers on that list

(Which IS down to mcinnes)

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

3 hours ago, Millertime said:

Thats a telling stat

Can just picture Kris Boyd right now

"Careful what you wish for"

It's worth pointing out that celtic/"rangers" can offer players salaries of 5x what we can

And even they don't play silky passing, scintillating football with youth products all over the place

Maybe there's a reason for that in Scotland 

I don’t think any team in Scotland ever really plays exciting fast football. None are good enough. 
 

problem under McInnes latterly was it was like we were trying to play like man city, but were nowhere near good enough. Pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, full time, 0-0! 
 

he did well to keep us going for so long when so many players were leaving. Did that better than any other manager I can think of at our level…. But had to go. Left a great platform for a proper manager to come in but then we got Stephen glass instead 

[Parklife]

23 minutes ago, Millertime said:

His start to his first full season is being benchmarked against every manager we have had since a 12 team league

He isn't favouring well at all amongst most of them, it's not just mcinnes

AND, again, he inherited a club in a much better position than any of the managers on that list

(Which IS down to mcinnes)

Glass is doing very badly. No one is arguing otherwise. 

The implication in some of the posts above was that the first half of last season got McInnes sacked. It didn't. Not even close. 

[fine-n-dandy]

31 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Love how fine and dandy posts more the less people engage with him

Bizarre

Stfu 

 

view post anyway ??

[afc1903mad]

1 hour ago, Millertime said:

 

And by the by... glass inherited a Club ithat was hugely in regression and needed a huge team turnaround

FTFY

[Millertime]

15 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Glass is doing very badly. No one is arguing otherwise. 

The implication in some of the posts above was that the first half of last season got McInnes sacked. It didn't. Not even close. 

I never said that, at all

[Parklife]

5 minutes ago, Millertime said:

I never said that, at all

I never said that YOU did. 

[Millertime]

Just now, Parklife said:

I never said that YOU did. 

As far as I can tell, NOBODY did

This is one of those times that happens quite frequently with you where you misread something, talk mince and rather than apologise for misreading,  you double down

It's unbecoming 

[shooftahmooftah]

2 hours ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Deteriorating relationship with the chairman didn't help 

Spending too much time in the India Punjab didn’t help either. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??

[Parklife]

15 minutes ago, Millertime said:

As far as I can tell, NOBODY did

This is one of those times that happens quite frequently with you where you misread something, talk mince and rather than apologise for misreading,  you double down

It's unbecoming 

I've not misread. 

This is one of those times that happens quite frequently with you where you forget that you're the dumbest in the room. 

It's embarrassing. 

[fine-n-dandy]

I can understand apathy on some scale rgds Glass & where the club is meandering along at best because so many have just gotten used to us being pretty much bland shite. I was even guilty of this for a short while even after realising that Mcinnes could only ever take us to a certain mediocre level  even when competition was limited to less than anything we have ever experienced as Aberdeen fans. But to actively defend this shiteness/Glass in some false delusions that he can be anything close to acceptable (with a bit of luck) is just sad. 
 

Glass is a failed experimental dream from an egotistical snake oil salesman that thinks he knows better than everyone else because he has money & loves Rowies & has some god given right to command authority over the peasant fans 

[muttonhumper]

On 12/27/2021 at 8:41 AM, fine-n-dandy said:

how would you say for example that he is cleverer than the likes of Kris Boyd 

That's an easy one.

Everyone on the planet is cleverer than that fucking amoeba.

 

On 12/27/2021 at 11:46 PM, winchester83 said:

Sack him immediately

Sack him immediately

Sack him immediately

Sack him immediately

Sack him immediately

Sack him immediately

Sack him immediately

This reads like you strongly wanted him sacke to begin with.

Then that feeling started to wane.

Now you barely want him sacked at all.

And very soon you won't even agree with that sentiment as it is about to disappear.

 

13 hours ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Cheers. 

So we're 12 points worse off than we were at this point last season.  And we've scored less and conceded more despite the new 'attacking philosophy' 

And despite it being in the middle of McInnes' worst spell as manager here. 

 

It wasn't in the middle.

It wasn't even at the start.

That was before the start of that spell.

We had just won 3 and drawn 2 of 5 games in December.

McInnes catastrophic and undeniably worst spell began in the new year.

[aberdeen1970]

2 hours ago, muttonhumper said:

That's an easy one.

Everyone on the planet is cleverer than that fucking amoeba.

 

This reads like you strongly wanted him sacke to begin with.

Then that feeling started to wane.

Now you barely want him sacked at all.

And very soon you won't even agree with that sentiment as it is about to disappear.

 

It wasn't in the middle.

It wasn't even at the start.

That was before the start of that spell.

We had just won 3 and drawn 2 of 5 games in December.

McInnes catastrophic and undeniably worst spell began in the new year.

That's weird. My brain had the slump, starting with the Ross County thrashing, starting earlier than that.  2 years of Covid has messed with all my timestamps. 

Things did really unravel rather quickly after New Year. 

[minijc]

12 hours ago, Millertime said:

Yeah, once Cormack poisoned it all

How is it bizarre chat, what other barometer is there to judge how well glass is doing

And by the by... glass inherited a Club in a much much better place than McInnes did

Cormack hadn't poisoned it all, McInnes was manoeuvring to get out of the club before Cormack was heavily involved, he managed to get himself on a massive wage which he then failed to justify, he and Cormack (once he was chairman) came to an agreement, McInnes clearly wasn't holding his end of the bargain up which his chairman wasn't happy about. 

McInnes and his stubbornness meant he couldn't change it and he wasn't willing to give other things a chance, Cormack is only guilty of wanting better for the club he runs, he had a manager that had agreed for the club to move in a different direction but again he failed to keep his side of the bargain.

There's no doubt that the club was in a better position than when McInnes first arrived, he deserves a lot of credit for that but people simply can't ignore how awful he had us playing, especially in the last 18 months, more so the last 6 months of his tenure when the results or even goals weren't coming.

Another thing I'll add, had McInnes stayed there's more chance that we'd have lost a lot of promising younger players than we'd have seen getting in the team.

[aberdeen1970]

1 minute ago, minijc said:

Cormack hadn't poisoned it all, McInnes was manoeuvring to get out of the club before Cormack was heavily involved, he managed to get himself on a massive wage which he then failed to justify, he and Cormack (once he was chairman) came to an agreement, McInnes clearly wasn't holding his end of the bargain up which his chairman wasn't happy about. 

McInnes and his stubbornness meant he couldn't change it and he wasn't willing to give other things a chance, Cormack is only guilty of wanting better for the club he runs, he had a manager that had agreed for the club to move in a different direction but again he failed to keep his side of the bargain.

There's no doubt that the club was in a better position than when McInnes first arrived, he deserves a lot of credit for that but people simply can't ignore how awful he had us playing, especially in the last 18 months, more so the last 6 months of his tenure when the results or even goals weren't coming.

Another thing I'll add, had McInnes stayed there's more chance that we'd have lost a lot of promising younger players than we'd have seen getting in the team.

This is fair enough but the only youngster getting in the team under the new management is Ramsay. 

You can maybe add MacKenzie (21) and Campbell (20) to that list but MacKenzie isn't a youngster and Campbell was fairly established under McInnes. 

11 of our first choice match day 18 are 30 or over. 

[afc1903mad]

1 hour ago, minijc said:

Cormack hadn't poisoned it all, McInnes was manoeuvring to get out of the club before Cormack was heavily involved, he managed to get himself on a massive wage which he then failed to justify, he and Cormack (once he was chairman) came to an agreement, McInnes clearly wasn't holding his end of the bargain up which his chairman wasn't happy about. 

McInnes and his stubbornness meant he couldn't change it and he wasn't willing to give other things a chance, Cormack is only guilty of wanting better for the club he runs, he had a manager that had agreed for the club to move in a different direction but again he failed to keep his side of the bargain.

There's no doubt that the club was in a better position than when McInnes first arrived, he deserves a lot of credit for that but people simply can't ignore how awful he had us playing, especially in the last 18 months, more so the last 6 months of his tenure when the results or even goals weren't coming.

Another thing I'll add, had McInnes stayed there's more chance that we'd have lost a lot of promising younger players than we'd have seen getting in the team.

Spot on min(jic).

[afc1903mad]

1 hour ago, aberdeen1970 said:

This is fair enough but the only youngster getting in the team under the new management is Ramsay. 

You can maybe add MacKenzie (21) and Campbell (20) to that list but MacKenzie isn't a youngster and Campbell was fairly established under McInnes. 

11 of our first choice match day 18 are 30 or over. 

How many youngsters do you expect to be thrown in at the same time.

It was a huge transitional opportunity. Only 3 outfield players started the last match, that also started innMcInness’s last match. McCrorie having changed positions from midfield to defence.

The team is still in transition. McGinn / Hayes will need replacing, hopefully with some effective pace out wide..

 

[huncunts]

1 hour ago, minijc said:

There's no doubt that the club was in a better position than when McInnes first arrived, he deserves a lot of credit for that but people simply can't ignore how awful he had us playing, especially in the last 18 months, more so the last 6 months of his tenure when the results or even goals weren't coming.

Another thing I'll add, had McInnes stayed there's more chance that we'd have lost a lot of promising younger players than we'd have seen getting in the team.

Is there? As many youngsters are getting in the team as previously and much less youngsters on the bench. 

Cormack had also decided he wasn’t backing him any more and didn’t allow any permanent transfers in January. Glass has been backed like never before and our squad and results haven’t improved at all.

[DD1903]

50 minutes ago, huncunts said:

Is there? As many youngsters are getting in the team as previously and much less youngsters on the bench. 

Cormack had also decided he wasn’t backing him any more and didn’t allow any permanent transfers in January. Glass has been backed like never before and our squad and results haven’t improved at all.

You think? McInnes had a pretty good wage budget, and spent a fair dunt of cash. Mostly badly I might add.

[RED_JOHN]

1 hour ago, huncunts said:

Is there? As many youngsters are getting in the team as previously and much less youngsters on the bench. 

Cormack had also decided he wasn’t backing him any more and didn’t allow any permanent transfers in January. Glass has been backed like never before and our squad and results haven’t improved at all.

Not the Glass was heavily backed myth again….deary me!

[Andy_123]

1 hour ago, huncunts said:

Cormack had also decided he wasn’t backing him any more and didn’t allow any permanent transfers in January.

McInnes said after he left they’d already agreed he’d be going at the end of the season. Why would Cormack have sanctioned any permanent transfers for a manager who wasn’t going to be staying anyway? 

[huncunts]

21 minutes ago, Andy_123 said:

McInnes said after he left they’d already agreed he’d be going at the end of the season. Why would Cormack have sanctioned any permanent transfers for a manager who wasn’t going to be staying anyway? 

Did he, when? Thought he said he was hoping to make it to the end of the season but thought he was getting punted, because of the form. He spoke in January of needing to build for next season.

37 minutes ago, RED_JOHN said:

Not the Glass was heavily backed myth again….deary me!

Not sure if serious.

[RED_JOHN]

1 minute ago, huncunts said:

 

Not sure if serious.

I am being serious. Glass wasn’t heavily backed in the summer. A lot of players left and the wages of the previous management dwarf’s the current. I am positive we are spending less on wages this season than the previous. 
Cormack has been tight with his purse strings…don’t be fooled otherwise.

[huncunts]

1 hour ago, DD1903 said:

You think? McInnes had a pretty good wage budget, and spent a fair dunt of cash. Mostly badly I might add.

I’d definitely think so. Signed an entire XI of players in summer including the Celtic captain, Motherwell captain, boy from Hamburg, 2 strikers that were on £14k a week each and 3 EPL loans. Extra coaching and staff resources too in an all out attempt to make it work. The squad is enormous, first team players are missing out on the bench.

[Millertime]

3 hours ago, minijc said:

Cormack hadn't poisoned it all, McInnes was manoeuvring to get out of the club before Cormack was heavily involved, he managed to get himself on a massive wage which he then failed to justify, he and Cormack (once he was chairman) came to an agreement, McInnes clearly wasn't holding his end of the bargain up which his chairman wasn't happy about. 

McInnes and his stubbornness meant he couldn't change it and he wasn't willing to give other things a chance, Cormack is only guilty of wanting better for the club he runs, he had a manager that had agreed for the club to move in a different direction but again he failed to keep his side of the bargain.

There's no doubt that the club was in a better position than when McInnes first arrived, he deserves a lot of credit for that but people simply can't ignore how awful he had us playing, especially in the last 18 months, more so the last 6 months of his tenure when the results or even goals weren't coming.

Another thing I'll add, had McInnes stayed there's more chance that we'd have lost a lot of promising younger players than we'd have seen getting in the team.

Who are all of these promising youngsters that we have seen, out of interest?

Genuinely 

[minijc]

17 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Who are all of these promising youngsters that we have seen, out of interest?

Genuinely 

dunno.

[aberdeen1970]

3 hours ago, afc1903mad said:

How many youngsters do you expect to be thrown in at the same time.

It was a huge transitional opportunity. Only 3 outfield players started the last match, that also started innMcInness’s last match. McCrorie having changed positions from midfield to defence.

The team is still in transition. McGinn / Hayes will need replacing, hopefully with some effective pace out wide..

 

It's not just about 'youngsters',7 players signed or extended by Glass have been 30 or over.  We've not signed anyone under 25 so far. 

We've got one of the oldest squads in the division.  And this year's squad is older than last year's.