Hillsborough 20 Years On

[Original A1]

I don't like Alan Hansen, but the memories he just recalled about Hillsborough on MOTD were very touching. He had tears in his eyes as he recounted going to the hospital and talked to a 14-year old fan whose family had waited 2 hours for them to arrive before turning off the life support machine.

 

It was a terrible day and days afterwards, but he brought it back very poignantly.

 

[E-P-K]

I don't like Alan Hansen, but the memories he just recalled about Hillsborough on MOTD were very touching. He had tears in his eyes as he recounted going to the hospital and talked to a 14-year old fan whose family had waited 2 hours for them to arrive before turning off the life support machine.

 

It was a terrible day and days afterwards, but he brought it back very poignantly.

 

 

I have just spent the last hour watching some of that clips online, I was just 11 years old

when it happened.

No real memory apart from the the numbers and the pictures

 

The clip with John Aldridge is very moving , Along with Steven Gerrard and Des Lynam

 

 

The History channel is also doing a docu, With a very moving clip with Kenny Dalglish.

[a1-don]

Disgraceful what the sun published in their 'The Truth' issue.

 

I did a bit of googling of Hillsborough and also other similar tragedies, including the Ibrox disasters. Real shame that so many have died in incidents that should have been prevented. Dads with their sons, brothers and sisters dying together, kids not making it past their 10th birthday, all of them just supporting their team.

[zig-a-zig-ah]

Disgraceful what the sun published in their 'The Truth' issue.

 

I did a bit of googling of Hillsborough and also other similar tragedies, including the Ibrox disasters. Real shame that so many have died in incidents that should have been prevented. Dads with their sons, brothers and sisters dying together, kids not making it past their 10th birthday, all of them just supporting their team.

 

 

I'm sure all of us agree with that.

[tutankamun]

Disgraceful what the sun published in their 'The Truth' issue.

 

I did a bit of googling of Hillsborough and also other similar tragedies, including the Ibrox disasters. Real shame that so many have died in incidents that should have been prevented. Dads with their sons, brothers and sisters dying together, kids not making it past their 10th birthday, all of them just supporting their team.

 

As I sometimes do after major tragedies, like 9-11, I bought the Sun the day after Hillsborough. Horrific pictures, one of the worst disasters I can recall, those poor, poor people.

 

However the Sun were not the only public enemy no. 1. The Police and the Government had a lot to answer for, even to this day. Although, I've heard that people in Liverpool still don't buy The Sun, is that true?

[NorthernLights24]

As I sometimes do after major tragedies, like 9-11, I bought the Sun the day after Hillsborough. Horrific pictures, one of the worst disasters I can recall, those poor, poor people.

 

However the Sun were not the only public enemy no. 1. The Police and the Government had a lot to answer for, even to this day. Although, I've heard that people in Liverpool still don't buy The Sun, is that true?

 

From http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/an...ity-552460.html

 

The Sun, which sells 3.3 million copies nationwide but only 12,000 in Liverpool, remains the subject of a boycott in Merseyside. The Sun's coverage of the disaster lost the paper around around 200,000 readers in the city and sales have never recovered since.

[E-P-K]

From http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/an...ity-552460.html

 

 

The Liverpool Echo is owned by the Mirror, And being the Suns biggest rival they allegedly made sure that the Sun was never welcome in the city again.

[Sonoftherock]

As I sometimes do after major tragedies, like 9-11, I bought the Sun the day after Hillsborough. Horrific pictures, one of the worst disasters I can recall, those poor, poor people.

 

However the Sun were not the only public enemy no. 1. The Police and the Government had a lot to answer for, even to this day. Although, I've heard that people in Liverpool still don't buy The Sun, is that true?

 

It was the days following the immediate aftermath that caused many of problems... The Sun claimed that during the melee, Liverpool supporters had scavenged or stolen wallets and jewelry from fellow dead/passed out supporters.

[tutankamun]

The Liverpool Echo is owned by the Mirror, And being the Suns biggest rival they allegedly made sure that the Sun was never welcome in the city again.

 

The Sun have since apologised for what they said all those years ago. The people of Liverpool have every right to boycott The Sun imo.

[minijc]

Thing is though, it wouldn't surprise anyone if that happened, it probably did.

[tutankamun]

Thing is though, it wouldn't surprise anyone if that happened, it probably did.

 

f**k off

[E-P-K]

The Sun have since apologised for what they said all those years ago. The people of Liverpool have every right to boycott The Sun imo.

 

 

Of course they have , And they wil do for ever more,

 

 

The main / only paper in Liverpool is the Echo.

 

 

it wouldn't surprise anyone if that happened, it probably did.

Hope you are not meaning towards the Suns lies ?

[Sonoftherock]

Thing is though, it wouldn't surprise anyone if that happened, it probably did.

 

Can't say stuff like that Mini.... I hope you're fishing there.

 

The Sun were forced to apologise as they couldn't produce any evidence that this actually happened.

[minijc]

Fair enough, maybe no the best time to try pull a wee joke, will watch the shows on, listening to Gerrard really hits home, no wonder he tries soo hard for Liverpool.

[a1-don]

Can't say stuff like that Mini.... I hope you're fishing there.

 

The Sun were forced to apologise as they couldn't produce any evidence that this actually happened.

 

The editor of the sun from that day refused to apologise saying he'd do the exactly the same thing again. Idiot.

[archiemacdougal]

Recall watching the documentary on ITV about 10 years ago

 

Pretty hard hitting stuff.

[The Oxford Don]

The editor of the sun from that day refused to apologise saying he'd do the exactly the same thing again. Idiot.

 

Kelvin Mackenzie is an A-Grade, First Class, Card-Carrying C-U-N-T of the highest order. A vile, bigoted, egotistical (and virulently anti-Scottish, before we forget) insignificant little wank-stain who should be chemically castrated. In public. At the Albert Dock, in front of the families of the Hillsborough bereaved.

 

That is all.

[Guest stoney]

Sad thing about this horrific accident was that everyone seen it coming, with the behavior of football fans at the time and the amount that broke down gates or jumped walls / turnstyles to avoid paying in was shocking and was only a matter of time before something of this scale happened - if it wasnt hillsbrough it would have been the week after. There were faults on all sides - not blaming the liverpool fans in general as it was just standard procedure for most fans of that era but if something could have been done to prevent this and it wasnt.

 

Feel sorry for the families who lost their loved once over a game of football, thats what it is at the end of the day a game! Dont think its fair to point the finger of blame at one certain aspect when there was so many contributing factors.

 

RIP.

[Sonoftherock]

Kelvin Mackenzie is an A-Grade, First Class, Card-Carrying C-U-N-T of the highest order. A vile, bigoted, egotistical (and virulently anti-Scottish, before we forget) insignificant little wank-stain who should be chemically castrated. In public. At the Albert Dock, in front of the families of the Hillsborough bereaved.

 

That is all.

 

Ahh that explains a lot!

 

The man is an absolute scumbag, who is anti-everything north of Luton!

[bruceg1978]

Been reading a lot on the net this past few days about it. Can't believe its 20 years ago.

 

The hard hitting documentary is on ITV 3 tomorrow night at around 9pm. Also something on the History Channel tomorrow.

 

This website is very moving. Been reading through a lot of the survivors stories and its very touching. Had a tear in my eye while reading some of these.

 

http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/history/buildup3.shtm

[boboisared]

Kelvin MacKenzie is the scum of all scum.

 

Someone said the Sun made an apology, it was nothing of the sort. They had the apology on page 8 or something, and on the following page, had another dig at Scousers. It wasn't an apology in the slightest!

 

Kelvin MacKenzie has always said he will never apologise for what went on even though he was proven wrong on so many levels. The guy is an absolute f**kin prick! He has never shown face in Liverpool since the incident, he never will. He is an absolute SCUM BAG!!!!

Was he not at a Liverpool Arsenal game last season at Anfield in the Champions League? Sure he did because the Pool fans starting singing justice for the ??

[Scarface]

Does anyone remember a link to YNWA (or some other site) that was posted on here a while back which contained a massive long post from some Scouser who was at the Hillsborough game and was describing what happended etc? If so, can they re-post it here? It was a f**king good read. Thanks.

 

JFT96

[PG Don]

Sad thing about this horrific accident was that everyone seen it coming, with the behavior of football fans at the time and the amount that broke down gates or jumped walls / turnstyles to avoid paying in was shocking and was only a matter of time before something of this scale happened

 

Sorry about this; my first post on here was supposed to be about AFC, but I can't let this pass.

 

The Taylor Report was very clear on this point - despite what you might have read, despite what South Yorkshire Police would like you to believe; no gates were forced at Hillsborough. No fans jumped walls, or tried to avoid paying - in fact, as far as anyone can tell, everyone in the Leppings Lane end that day had a valid ticket.

 

There was a crush outside the game - that was inevitable; according to the evidence, the gates would have had to have been opened before 1pm to let everyone in in time. Printed on the tickets was the instruction to get to the ground 15 minutes before kick off. Somewhere between 4-5,000 ordinary fans - not drunken louts, or freeloading scallies; just ordinary fans like you or me - arrived in the 30 minutes before kickoff. The layout of the stadium could not cope.

 

No doors were forced; South Yorkshire Police ordered a door to be opened to alleviate the crush. This is a matter of public record; as is the fact that they tried to cover it up by claiming that the fans forced their way in - not true; it did not happen. All those who came in through the opened door in the five minutes before it was closed again headed - because no-one told them any different; there were no signs - straight for the most densely packed part of the terracing. This 'pen' was surrounded on three sides by wire fencing, the fourth side being the exit to the tunnel down which 5,000 people were trying to get in to the game.

 

96 people died that day because no-one wanted to believe that they were just ordinary human beings who were behaving in a perfectly normal and rational manner. Right from the start, those charged with their safety assumed that they were troublemakers, bent on destruction. They weren't - they were just football fans. They died because those responsible for keeping them safe neglected their duties. They died because they wanted to see their team play a cup semifinal. The rumours about what happened that day still circulate because no-one has ever been willing to face up to the truth.

 

96 people died. It could have been you or me. If you're old enough, you'll have been crushed and pushed around on terraces; you'll have been hemmed in by police officers who saw you as a nuisance or worse; you'll have been swept down stairs you didn't want to go down with your feet not touching the ground; you'll have peered at games from behind steel fences designed to keep you under control. You weren't hooligans; neither were they.

 

96 people died; it could have been you or me.

[Guest stoney]

Sorry about this; my first post on here was supposed to be about AFC, but I can't let this pass.

 

The Taylor Report was very clear on this point - despite what you might have read, despite what South Yorkshire Police would like you to believe; no gates were forced at Hillsborough. No fans jumped walls, or tried to avoid paying - in fact, as far as anyone can tell, everyone in the Leppings Lane end that day had a valid ticket. Who said they did? I never mentioned anything about why hillsbrough happened - i merely stated that due to the behavior of football fans as a whole at the time an accident of this magnitude was bound to happen at some point, as for the second point there is no way you can prove that.

 

There was a crush outside the game - that was inevitable; according to the evidence, the gates would have had to have been opened before 1pm to let everyone in in time. Printed on the tickets was the instruction to get to the ground 15 minutes before kick off. Somewhere between 4-5,000 ordinary fans - not drunken louts, or freeloading scallies; just ordinary fans like you or me - arrived in the 30 minutes before kickoff. The layout of the stadium could not cope.

 

No doors were forced; South Yorkshire Police ordered a door to be opened to alleviate the crush. This is a matter of public record; as is the fact that they tried to cover it up by claiming that the fans forced their way in - not true; it did not happen. All those who came in through the opened door in the five minutes before it was closed again headed - because no-one told them any different; there were no signs - straight for the most densely packed part of the terracing. This 'pen' was surrounded on three sides by wire fencing, the fourth side being the exit to the tunnel down which 5,000 people were trying to get in to the game. Strange that the opposition fans all managed despite the fact there was equal amounts and teh same amount of turnstyles?

 

96 people died that day because no-one wanted to believe that they were just ordinary human beings who were behaving in a perfectly normal and rational manner. Right from the start, those charged with their safety assumed that they were troublemakers, bent on destruction. They weren't - they were just football fans. They died because those responsible for keeping them safe neglected their duties. They died because they wanted to see their team play a cup semifinal. The rumours about what happened that day still circulate because no-one has ever been willing to face up to the truth.

 

What is the truth? there are versions of the truth, but liverpool fans had the worst reputation in the country at that time, something they are all quite proud about this in any hooligan book you read, very proud of the fact that they claim they also assaulted and slashed many police officers at that time you cant be the most feared fans in the country one minute, then expect a hug in a kiss when it goes against you? Like i said there were many contributing factors in the lead up to hillsbrough, if you were a police officer at that time and you were assaulted every week doing your JOB (by all football fans, not just liverpool) would you have been rushing to let people on the pitch when it wasnt obvious what was happening? If football fans had behaved like decent human beings the fences would not have been there and everyone would have got out of their alive, to try and blame it all on the police isnt right.

 

96 people died. It could have been you or me. If you're old enough, you'll have been crushed and pushed around on terraces; you'll have been hemmed in by police officers who saw you as a nuisance or worse; you'll have been swept down stairs you didn't want to go down with your feet not touching the ground; you'll have peered at games from behind steel fences designed to keep you under control. You weren't hooligans; neither were they.

 

96 people died; it could have been you or me.

 

Like i said in my orignal post, if it wasnt hillsbrough it would have been the week after, Liverpool fans are always banging on about justice, im sure *and i have heard quotes before you start* that the wishes of the families were to make sure this never happened again, It hasnt since hillsbrough the safety record at football stadiums has changed dramitically, lessons were learned and mistakes rectified, why cant liverpool fans let those who died rest in peace?

 

and please remember i dont think of the 96 as liverpool fans or football fans i think of them as human beings who attended a match and should have come home to their families at the end of the day.

 

96 Died who shouldnt have but like i say there were faults on all sides maybe not on that particular day, but there were faults on all sides.

 

Its time to let these people and the families have some closure seeing banners still being unfurled at football matches "Justice" cant be helping being reminded of this terrible terrible accident.

 

RIP

[wearereds]

Sorry about this; my first post on here was supposed to be about AFC, but I can't let this pass.

 

The Taylor Report was very clear on this point - despite what you might have read, despite what South Yorkshire Police would like you to believe; no gates were forced at Hillsborough. No fans jumped walls, or tried to avoid paying - in fact, as far as anyone can tell, everyone in the Leppings Lane end that day had a valid ticket.

 

There was a crush outside the game - that was inevitable; according to the evidence, the gates would have had to have been opened before 1pm to let everyone in in time. Printed on the tickets was the instruction to get to the ground 15 minutes before kick off. Somewhere between 4-5,000 ordinary fans - not drunken louts, or freeloading scallies; just ordinary fans like you or me - arrived in the 30 minutes before kickoff. The layout of the stadium could not cope.

 

No doors were forced; South Yorkshire Police ordered a door to be opened to alleviate the crush. This is a matter of public record; as is the fact that they tried to cover it up by claiming that the fans forced their way in - not true; it did not happen. All those who came in through the opened door in the five minutes before it was closed again headed - because no-one told them any different; there were no signs - straight for the most densely packed part of the terracing. This 'pen' was surrounded on three sides by wire fencing, the fourth side being the exit to the tunnel down which 5,000 people were trying to get in to the game.

 

96 people died that day because no-one wanted to believe that they were just ordinary human beings who were behaving in a perfectly normal and rational manner. Right from the start, those charged with their safety assumed that they were troublemakers, bent on destruction. They weren't - they were just football fans. They died because those responsible for keeping them safe neglected their duties. They died because they wanted to see their team play a cup semifinal. The rumours about what happened that day still circulate because no-one has ever been willing to face up to the truth.

 

96 people died. It could have been you or me. If you're old enough, you'll have been crushed and pushed around on terraces; you'll have been hemmed in by police officers who saw you as a nuisance or worse; you'll have been swept down stairs you didn't want to go down with your feet not touching the ground; you'll have peered at games from behind steel fences designed to keep you under control. You weren't hooligans; neither were they.

 

96 people died; it could have been you or me.

 

great post and spot on.

 

fans trying to get out of the crush initally where pushed back in, fans pleading for help were ignored by the coppers, and despite injured people calling for help long after it was uderstood there was mass crushing/injuries, still the abulances were kept outside by the cops.

 

Nobody should have died that day, and a large number in that 96 would still be here if the police had reacted properly.

 

The fans deserve no blame, what would you do if AFC were in a cup semi final, kick off was approaching and a gate was opened for fans to enter?

 

JFT96

 

[Guest stoney]

great post and spot on.

 

fans trying to get out of the crush initally where pushed back in, fans pleading for help were ignored by the coppers, and despite injured people calling for help long after it was uderstood there was mass crushing/injuries, still the abulances were kept outside by the cops.

 

Nobody should have died that day, and a large number in that 96 would still be here if the police had reacted properly.

 

The fans deserve no blame, what would you do if AFC were in a cup semi final, kick off was approaching and a gate was opened for fans to enter?

 

JFT96

 

 

 

And if football fans in genaral behaved properly they would ALL still be with us

[vanderark14]

totally agree with stoney on this occassion

[The Oxford Don]

The first and arguably biggest mistake of the lot was having the game at Hillsborough at all - it was simply unable to cope with a game of that magnitude and should never have been selected for a semi-final. Almost unimaginably in these H&S obsessive times, the safety certificate for the ground (the ENTIRE ground, FFS!) had expired ten years previously and had never been reviewed. This is why, of the 40-odd ambulances which turned up at the Liverpool-Forest game, only 3 got into the stadium and only one (I think) got onto the pitch.

 

The whole thing was a catalogue of tragic incompetence from start to finish, and fully merits the JFT96 campaign's efforts. This is abundantly NOT about mawkish Scousers indulging in a grief-a-thon; there were real, serious mistakes made by the authorities which have never been officially acknowledged, far less apologised for.

[Maniac Cop]

Does anyone remember a link to YNWA (or some other site) that was posted on here a while back which contained a massive long post from some Scouser who was at the Hillsborough game and was describing what happended etc? If so, can they re-post it here? It was a f**king good read. Thanks.

 

JFT96

 

Here

[exiled_in_fife]

Like i said in my orignal post, if it wasnt hillsbrough it would have been the week after, Liverpool fans are always banging on about justice, im sure *and i have heard quotes before you start* that the wishes of the families were to make sure this never happened again, It hasnt since hillsbrough the safety record at football stadiums has changed dramitically, lessons were learned and mistakes rectified, why cant liverpool fans let those who died rest in peace?

 

and please remember i dont think of the 96 as liverpool fans or football fans i think of them as human beings who attended a match and should have come home to their families at the end of the day.

 

96 Died who shouldnt have but like i say there were faults on all sides maybe not on that particular day, but there were faults on all sides.

 

Its time to let these people and the families have some closure seeing banners still being unfurled at football matches "Justice" cant be helping being reminded of this terrible terrible accident.

 

RIP

 

Suppose its all about opinions but what do you know about Liverpool or English football fans at that time or that day? What you've read in some hooly book somewhere? I'm older than you and being honest despite reading lots of material on this incident and with vague rememberance of it happening at the time I cannot possibly begin to understand the sequence of events that happened that day.

 

I think your understanding of the situation is totally wrong in all counts (could be mine therefore why I disagree with everything you've said in this thread), not least the giving families closure aspect, its the families of the people that lost their lives that ask those still attending games to maintain the pressure for Justice for their families, hence the banners and memorial services, all the rest of it.