Poppy

[OddJob]

Just because I would be speaking German if it wasn't for the soldiers in the war.

 

Just because I probably wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for the soldiers in the war.

 

Just because, really.

 

I don't see how it offends anyone, if folk are offended - then they aren't British - fuck em.

 

I dont wear one, never have and never will, i dont think i have ever seen anyone wear one at any dons game over the years?

Fair enough but surely you can understand why folk do?

 

I always buy a poppy and will wear it again this year. Ok people shouldn't feel the need to wear one if they don't want to but the Tims can fuck off with their ban on them, a disgrace and the reasoning behind the ban is completely irrelevant to the club.

[Donmacca]

Again always buy and wear one and as a ex serviceman I'm proud too. I kind of agree though that it's losing it's meaning a little. My view is that it's to commemorate the great war and WW2. Servicemen who have been injured in recent conflicts also have charities like help for heroes and erskine house also to help them.

[amancalledbuck]

I dont wear one, never have and never will,

 

Me too.

[Ke1t]

I'm ambivalent regarding the whole thing. I've got a tangled set of personal ethics that might mean one day I'd wear a poppy and the next I'd set fire to the fucking thing.

 

Here's a couple of my own personal thoughts...

 

Anyone forced to fight in a conflict by means of a draft should, in my mind, be remembered. Plenty people in both World Wars were forced to join up and fight. It didn't help that mass media was rarely, if ever, impartial. THIS is what passed for impartial in the media during WWI... pretty subtle and fair-minded, I trust you'll agree. It's a lot like the kind of level of intellect The Sun or The Mail aims at, because that's their readership, I guess.

 

 

Anyone who volunteers themselves into a country's military no more deserves 'honour' or 'respect' nor is 'braver' or any of the other bullshit wept about 'our boys' than a nurse should be honoured or respected, or a postman should be honoured and respected. Volunteering to put a tin hat on and go shoot wogs may, in fact, be far, far less worthy of honour or respect than a nurse or a postie. I wonder about the mental health of anyone who puts themselves deliberately in a position where they may become the willing tool of cunts like Blair and Bush.

[OddJob]

I'm ambivalent regarding the whole thing. I've got a tangled set of personal ethics that might mean one day I'd wear a poppy and the next I'd set fire to the fucking thing.

 

Here's a couple of my own personal thoughts...

 

Anyone forced to fight in a conflict by means of a draft should, in my mind, be remembered. Plenty people in both World Wars were forced to join up and fight. It didn't help that mass media was rarely, if ever, impartial. THIS is what passed for impartial in the media during WWI... pretty subtle and fair-minded, I trust you'll agree. It's a lot like the kind of level of intellect The Sun or The Mail aims at, because that's their readership, I guess.

 

 

Anyone who volunteers themselves into a country's military no more deserves 'honour' or 'respect' nor is 'braver' or any of the other bullshit wept about 'our boys' than a nurse should be honoured or respected, or a postman should be honoured and respected. Volunteering to put a tin hat on and go shoot wogs may, in fact, be far, far less worthy of honour or respect than a nurse or a postie. I wonder about the mental health of anyone who puts themselves deliberately in a position where they may become the willing tool of cunts like Blair and Bush.

I can kind of see where you're coming from here Kelt. One thing that does piss me off though is the families of killed soldiers venting their anger at the government or whoever despite the fact their son or daughter actually WANTED to fight. Imo they are disrespecting their child by doing that.

[chaos_defrost]

I can kind of see where you're coming from here Kelt. One thing that does piss me off though is the families of killed soldiers venting their anger at the government or whoever despite the fact their son or daughter actually WANTED to fight. Imo they are disrespecting their child by doing that.

 

Don't agree with this at all. I think a lot of soldiers sign up to learn a trade, better themselves, do something good for the country. It's politicians that decided to send soldiers to Iraq and imo families have every right to be angry about that because it was a war based on lies.

[ninja-lewis]

I can kind of see where you're coming from here Kelt. One thing that does piss me off though is the families of killed soldiers venting their anger at the government or whoever despite the fact their son or daughter actually WANTED to fight. Imo they are disrespecting their child by doing that.

Have you heard of the Military Covenant?

 

"Soldiers will be called upon to make personal sacrifices

[Ke1t]

Don't agree with this at all. I think a lot of soldiers sign up to learn a trade, better themselves, do something good for the country. It's politicians that decided to send soldiers to Iraq and imo families have every right to be angry about that because it was a war based on lies.

 

Yeah, you can't really use, "I wanted to learn a trade" as a basis for looking for sympathy, or as a get-out, for soldiers though. The primary function of the military is to kill things in order to facilitate political policy.

 

No-one joins the army without the knowledge that their primary function is killing, or supporting those who do the killing.

 

You don't join NAMBLA because they have a great monthly newsletter, then use that as an excuse for joining an organisation whose primary concern is the wholesale fiddling of little kids.

 

Whether someone joins the military because they want a trade, or just want to wear combat gear because it goes well with their eyes is irrelevant to the fact that they joined the military.

 

A volunteer soldier is a volunteer soldier, regardless of motivation.

[DannyBhoy]

But you all refuse what happened in Ireland?? Ridiculous!

[Ke1t]

But you all refuse what happened in Ireland?? Ridiculous!

 

I don't even understand what you're trying to say.

 

"You all refuse what happened?"

 

[Ke1t]

The difference between a nurse, a postman, a firefighter and the Armed Forces is summed up in the military covenant. The former, like other civilian occupations, have rights those in the Armed Forces do not enjoy. And while they are enjoying these rights, such as the right to withdraw labour, it is the Armed Forces who are wrongly expected to provide firefighter cover, clear snow and evacuate flood hit residents - regardless of whether it ruins their Christmas or operational training.

 

The difference is, once again, irrelevant.

 

If someone agrees to give up certain personal rights in exchange for money then they're no more deserving of respect than the nurse or the postie... Again, what they do is voluntary. They're doing for cash, not because they're one iota better than anyone else who does stuff for money.

 

We, as a nation, have a responsibility to equip and look after those we commit to battle on our behalf. And it is on our behalf - for without volunteers, conscription would be necessary and politicians do not represent us without being elected. It is a responsibility that we unfortunately came very close to forgetting over the past couple of years.

 

We have a responsibility to provide material for the army in the same way we have to provide material for the NHS, or for roads or for refuse collection.

 

Nothing you've said elevates voluntary soldiery one single degree above that of any other profession.

[Bobby Connor]

I don't wear one. I find the whole idea a bit hypocritical. We are in unjust wars that have caused hundreds of thousands of deaths. It's not that I have a problem with soldiers but I've always considered them as pawns for politicians and the idea that we have to rally behind them seems like some sort of subjugation by popular opinion.

 

Each to their own but I keep out of it.

[buzz15afc]

one charity that id go out my way to donate to... this year i bought a couple off of the poppy website, also bought a wrist band....

 

'LEST WE FORGET'

[dj_bollocks]

There used to be White Poppies out there for a while - don't see them much any more, I guess some people thought they were disrespectful... I kind of agree with the principle which was to remember the fallen, but don't believe in wars. I think that's where the blurring of the current edges comes in... Clearly WW1 & 2 were worldwide wars against tyranny and oppression - dying for oil in the Middle East, not so much... Not that that makes the lives lost any less worth remembering, just don't feel we should be there so much... Would probably wear a white poppy - but the message and symbol of it doesn't cut across enough.

[The Boofon]

Me too.

 

 

Maybe you should wear one for your interview on Tuesday. Might make a good impression. Then again the person interviewing you might feel strongly against it so maybe you shouldn't. Tricky situation.

 

I'd have one in my pocket just in case.

[bobb4you]

Anyone who volunteers themselves into a country's military no more deserves 'honour' or 'respect' nor is 'braver' or any of the other bullshit wept about 'our boys' than a nurse should be honoured or respected, or a postman should be honoured and respected. Volunteering to put a tin hat on and go shoot wogs may, in fact, be far, far less worthy of honour or respect than a nurse or a postie. I wonder about the mental health of anyone who puts themselves deliberately in a position where they may become the willing tool of cunts like Blair and Bush.

 

For many young people joining the army is a way of representing Scotland, something that few of them would be able to do in other fields. And if you don't like the idea of Scottish regiments doing the bidding of chunts like Blair vote for independence when the referendum comes.

[vanderark14]

But you all refuse what happened in Ireland?? Ridiculous!

 

could you please rephrase the question in the queens english

 

thanks

[diamondsr4ever]

Maybe the people of Aberdeen should sell something every year to help ex casuals who were injured during active service for their great City, I have a scar on my right cheek and arthritis in my knuckles as a result of my years of service, I know many other ex combatants who are suffering from mental and physical injuries.

 

Perhaps sell a plastic daffodil or rose.

 

just ask chrissy kyle to sell some of his fila jackets and ivan lendil trainers

[Batting71]

Does anybody know where you can get the poppies in Aberdeen. Not just the bog-standard ones - the better quality ones?

[nh7740]

Would always be proud to wear a poppy,many relatives have all served in the forces and not all of them came home.The money raised is as important for injured servicemen today as that of previous conflicts.

What caused a lot of problems when the poppy fund was launched in 1921 was that General Haig was in charge and to many who came through ww1 they held him responsible for much of the slaughter on the western front.

[OddJob]

Bought mine today

[Ke1t]

Maybe the people of Aberdeen should sell something every year to help ex casuals who were injured during active service for their great City, I have a scar on my right cheek and arthritis in my knuckles as a result of my years of service, I know many other ex combatants who are suffering from mental and physical injuries.

 

Perhaps sell a plastic daffodil or rose.

 

There could be a national Casual Day... with veterans of the 80s windmilling in lines up the middle of Union Street, accompanied by massed pipe bands.

 

A nominated Casual could then lay a wreath at the shrine to Raymond Morrell's missing brain.

 

Would be sweet TV viewing inna.

 

"And here come the Under 5's, ladies and gentleman.... the Under Fives of course wearing their original Pringles and Freddie Flintstone jeans. A group with a proud history of getting a sly kick in during a ruck, then scarpering sharpish before they get sorted out, and no mistake."

[THE GRIM SHEEPER]

What is it with rangers scum and their self centered obsession with poppies, we know what they represent and we also wear them, so why do they make such a big deal about wearing them. It's almost laughable. There was even muppets in the hun end at pittodrie kissing their poppies last weekend while many people in the Aberdeen end were also wearing them. A message for all you non brainier huns out there, don't turn the poppy in to a nonsensical bigoted battle between you and Celtic, because it means a fucking hell of a lot more than that you uneducated fools. I'm sure when troops go to war, the first thing they must think is "we are doing this for the rangers". Time to draw the line, thousands of people died for this country and all we see the rangers fans doing is parading their poppies like some kind of anti Irish badge of honour.

[OddJob]

What is it with rangers scum and their self centered obsession with poppies, we know what they represent and we also wear them, so why do they make such a big deal about wearing them. It's almost laughable. There was even muppets in the hun end at pittodrie kissing their poppies last weekend while many people in the Aberdeen end were also wearing them. A message for all you non brainier huns out there, don't turn the poppy in to a nonsensical bigoted battle between you and Celtic, because it means a fucking hell of a lot more than that you uneducated fools. I'm sure when troops go to war, the first thing they must think is "we are doing this for the rangers". Time to draw the line, thousands of people died for this country and all we see the rangers fans doing is parading their poppies like some kind of anti Irish badge of honour.

Very true, it sickens me their agenda tbh.

 

Having been present at Ibrox last year the actions of a few of the servicemen and women towards the Dons fans was a bloody disgrace and i'll never forget that. An insult to their comrades who deserve praise for their efforts on the frontline

[tainboy]

But you all refuse what happened in Ireland?? Ridiculous!

 

I don't refuse that my father went there. Doing his job. Putting himself in danger. So in the words of BC. Suck my balls.

 

 

I'll always wear a poppy. It's not just a mark of respect in my eyes it's a mark of what we all take for granted but a few hold dear, things that hundreds of thousands, nay millions sacrificed themselves for. Hell even people I have known have told me they LIED to fight for these things. Free speech. Democracy. A state that (should be) free of oppression. Equal liberties for all Etc.

[Bobby Connor]

I don't refuse that my father went there. Doing his job. Putting himself in danger. So in the words of BC. Suck my balls.

 

 

I'll always wear a poppy. It's not just a mark of respect in my eyes it's a mark of what we all take for granted but a few hold dear, things that hundreds of thousands, nay millions sacrificed themselves for. Hell even people I have known have told me they LIED to fight for these things. Free speech. Democracy. A state that (should be) free of oppression. Equal liberties for all Etc.

 

Mate, I'm not even sure what we are supposed to have 'refused'.

 

Going by the inclusion of 'Bhoy' in his username it will no doubt be some injustice that his grandpa told him about the days when his great, great, grandpa lived in Ireland.

 

It's also very likely to be weegie related nonsense.

 

I give up on these people. We should just let them kill each other. The global population crisis is bad enough without half-wit nutters like these roaming the streets.

 

Give them all bazookas and the last man standing can be declared the winner. I bagsy the sniper rifle that takes the winning cunt out though.

[OddJob]

I don't refuse that my father went there. Doing his job. Putting himself in danger. So in the words of BC. Suck my balls.

 

 

I'll always wear a poppy. It's not just a mark of respect in my eyes it's a mark of what we all take for granted but a few hold dear, things that hundreds of thousands, nay millions sacrificed themselves for. Hell even people I have known have told me they LIED to fight for these things. Free speech. Democracy. A state that (should be) free of oppression. Equal liberties for all Etc.

Didn't even need to read the rest of your post to agree with you there

 

Always the best way to reply to a post like that. Well said mate.

[Terrorfex]

Postmen have far better working conditions, pay, pensions and assorted other perks than anyone in the Air Force, Army and Navy without stripes on their shoulders. They can also leave their job - a basic "right" of employment not enjoyed by those in service. I certainly don't agree that they're every bit as normal as said Postmen.

[tutankamun]

Jeff Stelling was getting quite irate earlier on when he heard that FIFA won't allow the England team to wear strips with poppies on them for the game v Spain.

[Coopy100]

But you all refuse what happened in Ireland?? Ridiculous!

What is this even supposed to mean. If you mean servicemen and woman being killed by ira bombs, the murder of innocent men and woman and children bt the same bombs, fathers, mothers, daughters, sons all being murdered, that is what it was, by cowards then i am sure that no one refuses to recognise that happened in ireland.