Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[afc_blockhead]

1 minute ago, caledonia said:

So glad your beginning to crack

 

Haha, you are monumentally thick ?

Do you realise independence COULD happen and be the worst thing ever that happened to Scotland?

Not saying it would be but this use of the word COULD seems to turn your 10 brain cells on.

[NEM]

4 hours ago, For Fecks Sake said:

Is that not exactly the relationship that the North East of Scotland has with the central belt?

Yip - Holyrood or Westminster.  Who cares we still get shafted

[caledonia]

What other country that has got its independence has had to justify every aspect to be better than the country it is seceding from.

and what other countries can you name that have asked back after independence 

[Dom Sullivan]

1 minute ago, NEM said:

Yip - Holyrood or Westminster.  Who cares we still get shafted

Correct.

anything north of the M8 corridor gets shafted. 
 

the Republic of Aberdonia is what’s required

[Joe pike]

37 minutes ago, caledonia said:

There you go again deflect the tory billions and bring up the snp 

what about this hospital in Tory run England

As a Lib Dem why you only calling out one party

 

What about these figures then Caledonia.

150 million wasted on 2 ferries.Still lying rusting up.

Bifab 40 million wasted.Now closed.

Two hospitals held up for years.Over 100 million wasted.

Prestwick Airport - Over 40 million wasted.

Scot not investment bank- over 45 million written off.

Scottish Parliament building something like 10 times over budget.

Over 1 million wasted trying to prosecute Salmond despite legal advice .

police,ambulance and fire brigade nationalisation a complete disaster.

These are just off the top of my head.

[caledonia]

4 minutes ago, NEM said:

Yip - Holyrood or Westminster.  Who cares we still get shafted

Mute argument you could be shafted at council level

also one of the above voted to starve children for example so explain why its the same.

[afc_blockhead]

7 minutes ago, caledonia said:

What other country that has got its independence has had to justify every aspect to be better than the country it is seceding from.

and what other countries can you name that have asked back after independence 

How many other countries have "got independence" that you know anything about the circumstances?

Also , that last sentence means fuck all. Name me 1 country whose gone independent from an equivalent position to ours?

[NEM]

5 minutes ago, Dom Sullivan said:

Correct.

anything north of the M8 corridor gets shafted. 
 

the Republic of Aberdonia is what’s required

Now that I'd vote for ?

[afc_blockhead]

4 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Mute argument you could be shafted at council level

also one of the above voted to starve children for example so explain why its the same.

?

[NEM]

3 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Mute argument you could be shafted at council level

also one of the above voted to starve children for example so explain why its the same.

"Could".  We are shafted from Holyrood

The other invited trannies into schools

[caledonia]

2 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

What about these figures then Caledonia.

150 million wasted on 2 ferries.Still lying rusting up.

Bifab 40 million wasted.Now closed.

Two hospitals held up for years.Over 100 million wasted.

Prestwick Airport - Over 40 million wasted.

Scot not investment bank- over 45 million written off.

Scottish Parliament building something like 10 times over budget.

Over 1 million wasted trying to prosecute Salmond despite legal advice .

police,ambulance and fire brigade nationalisation a complete disaster.

These are just off the top of my head.

Do you have any comparable figures for what we waste when not independent as part of the uk 

some examples off the top of my head

trident

HS2

Brexit

illegal wars

oil tax money

House of lords 

 

[Joe pike]

Caledonia do you want to rejoin the EU if Scotland get independence?

[afc_blockhead]

12 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Mute argument you could be shafted at council level

also one of the above voted to starve children for example so explain why its the same.

Poverty has increased on the SNP's watch in Scotland, the gap between rich and poor has got bigger. In other social issues we have the worst drug deaths in Europe, all on the SNP's watch.

Even the SNP's little bitch from the Green Party said to them last week that they weren't doing nearly enough to tackle poverty in Scotland, in fact "they believe they can afford a council tax freeze in Scotland, a policy that gives biggest savings to the wealthiest" , yet they are not doing anything to tackle poverty.

The SNP were also the only party in Scotland a couple of years ago who didn't want to tax the very richest more. It's almost as if ALL governments want to keep the rich happy. I imagine you live by that fantasy that Robertson/Sturgeon etc are living on minimum wage in a council flat don't you !

Now you've switched the topic every time you can't answer a question, poverty is about the 5th item on your list so far, what's next?

[afc_blockhead]

1 minute ago, caledonia said:

Do you have any comparable figures for what we waste when not independent as part of the uk 

some examples off the top of my head

trident

HS2

Brexit

illegal wars

oil tax money

House of lords 

 

The GERS figures (Parklife is poised) .. whilst not 100% are one of the strongest guides going (an opinion backed by SNP members like Salmond and Sturgeon) to show a true picture of finances in Scotland. Scotland getting much more back from Westminster than we put in is the case if you remove all the items above.

Stupid non argument again. 

[caledonia]

Blockhead, joe pike and nem with there mates at last dons match

No wonder they sing “we know you said no”

[Ramandu]

Out of interest, do any of you folk think that you're likely to change someone else's mind? Or your own mind?

[NEM]

2 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Blockhead, joe pike and nem with there mates at last dons match

No wonder they sing “we know you said no”

Caley give Shooftah his keyboard back

[Joe pike]

1 minute ago, Ramandu said:

Out of interest, do any of you folk think that you're likely to change someone else's mind? Or your own mind?

Not if they are in the cult.

They have all been brainwashed .

[caledonia]

9 minutes ago, afc_blockhead said:

The GERS figures (Parklife is poised) .. whilst not 100% are one of the strongest guides going (an opinion backed by SNP members like Salmond and Sturgeon) to show a true picture of finances in Scotland. Scotland getting much more back from Westminster than we put in is the case if you remove all the items above.

Stupid non argument again. 

Gers hahahaha 

[afc_blockhead]

8 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Blockhead, joe pike and nem with there mates at last dons match

No wonder they sing “we know you said no”

Wonderful banter.

I would argue someone who would take independence even if he knew for a fact it would damage his country badly (as you said you would) is much less of lover of Scotland than someone who actually would vote either way based on what they think would be the best outcome for the country.

Also, do I now share a picture of a stereotypical nationalist saying "Caledonia goes to the shops" , is that how this banter works?

[caledonia]

8 minutes ago, Ramandu said:

Out of interest, do any of you folk think that you're likely to change someone else's mind? Or your own mind?

Probably the best post of the day to be honest

the last page arguments are forgotten once you move on to a new one 

[Joe pike]

1 minute ago, caledonia said:

Probably the best post of the day to be honest

the last page arguments are forgotten once you move on to a new one 

Before you move on Caledonia ,you never answered this question.

Do you want to rejoin the EU if you get independence?

[caledonia]

Think i will stick to pics easy to post and it takes time to counter them especially now i have a bet wetter following

 

[NEM]

2 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Think i will stick to pics easy to post and it takes time to counter them especially now i have a bet wetter following

 

Starting to think yours is a parody account

[caledonia]

Just now, Joe pike said:

Before you move on Caledonia ,you never answered this question.

Do you want to rejoin the EU if you get independence?

The old “thats not independence”well it works both ways

 

[Joe pike]

5 minutes ago, caledonia said:

The old “thats not independence”well it works both ways

 

So for the 3rd time.

What's your answer?

[For Fecks Sake]

Lads yer never going to change other people's opinions on a fitba forum so why don't you both agree to disagree?!!?

Be it Holyrood, Westminster or Brussels governments make monumental fuck ups that end up costing the average person in the street cash.

We know for sure that Westminster is full of amateur self serving pricks (on all sides of the Benches) and it's widely reported and generally understood by everyone.

What irks me is that most of the people who are staunch Yes voters seem incapable of accepting or giving criticism to the SNP and it's all about independence (which will happen).

The SNP have made their fair share of fuck ups but some supporter's ignore all that because "it will be better when we are independent".

[NEM]

1 minute ago, For Fecks Sake said:

Lads yer never going to change other people's opinions on a fitba forum so why don't you both agree to disagree?!!?

Be it Holyrood, Westminster or Brussels governments make monumental fuck ups that end up costing the average person in the street cash.

We know for sure that Westminster is full of amateur self serving pricks (on all sides of the Benches) and it's widely reported and generally understood by everyone.

What irks me is that most of the people who are staunch Yes voters seem incapable of accepting or giving criticism to the SNP and it's all about independence (which will happen).

The SNP have made their fair share of fuck ups but some supporter's ignore all that because "it will be better when we are independent".

Exactly we'll still be shafted - just by a different set of cunts

[caledonia]

23 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

So for the 3rd time.

What's your answer?

Yes because as part of the EU we would have more say

remember the Brexit negotiations where as part of the uk we had no say but Ireland as part of the EU had

[afc_blockhead]

40 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Gers hahahaha 

It can give an indication though :

Alex Salmond ahead of the 2014 Referendum , "the GERS figures are fact, they are known, they show the reality of Scotland's underlying economic performance" 

 

More recent :

2019 

An SNP website article called "GERS figures explained: How we’re delivering for Scotland"

https://www.snp.org/gers-figures-explained/

Too easy.