Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[manboobs109]

Just now, CCB III said:

Am I?

 

We're talking about housing prices in general.

 

You giving me your personal anecdote doesn't change the overriding trend. 
 

Fair play to your folks for soldiering on
 

 

We weren't talking about house prices originally. You started off saying "boomers" had it easy compared to now. A complete load of bollocks.

[CCB III]

Just now, NEM said:

Man who doesn’t believe in border controls cries about lack of available housing ?

1.) Never said once that I don't believe in border control 

 

2.) Blaming immigrants is the thickest thing people do. Seriously. It's as old as time and I actually thought you'd have more about you than to simply lap that pish up. 
 

The main problems are wealth disparity, and the majority of housing being owned by a minority of people. 
 

The government isn't not building new housing because they are giving it away to immigrants so don't have for us, they could build enough for everyone, they don't have the will, namely, because it drives down the price of private housing. 
 

Its fuck all to do with immigrants. Stupid POV.
 

 

[manboobs109]

1 minute ago, patrick bateman said:

Minker 

Pay your bills 

I had what could be best described as a "chaotic" lifestyle paddy.

You wouldn't understand.

[patrick bateman]

Btw and for the record

The fetishisation of property ownership is weird as fuck 

[manboobs109]

1 minute ago, CCB III said:

1.) Never said once that I don't believe in border control 

 

2.) Blaming immigrants is the thickest thing people do. Seriously. It's as old as time and I actually thought you'd have more about you than to simply lap that pish up. 
 

The main problems are wealth disparity, and the majority of housing being owned by a minority of people. 
 

The government isn't not building new housing because they are giving it away to immigrants so don't have for us, they could build enough for everyone, they don't have the will, namely, because it drives down the price of private housing. 
 

Its fuck all to do with immigrants. Stupid POV.
 

 

Where do the immigrants live? Genuine question.

[CCB III]

1 minute ago, manboobs109 said:

We weren't talking about house prices originally. You started off saying "boomers" had it easy compared to now. A complete load of bollocks.

You're right. 
 

They could get houses for 5,000. Get mortgages being tea ladies. A union to stick up for their conditions. Good, solid contracts and good hours. Cheaper food, drink, everything really. 
 

But how can I say that when some guy can cycle a pizza to my door? 

[NEM]

1 minute ago, CCB III said:

1.) Never said once that I don't believe in border control 

 

2.) Blaming immigrants is the thickest thing people do. Seriously. It's as old as time and I actually thought you'd have more about you than to simply lap that pish up. 
 

The main problems are wealth disparity, and the majority of housing being owned by a minority of people. 
 

The government isn't not building new housing because they are giving it away to immigrants so don't have for us, they could build enough for everyone, they don't have the will, namely, because it drives down the price of private housing. 
 

Its fuck all to do with immigrants. Stupid POV.
 

 

You can’t have net immigration running at about 300k a year for 20+ years and be surprised at house prices going up. I’m not “blaming” anyone, it’s basic supply and demand.

Yes claiming it’s got fuck all to do with immigration is a very stupid POV 

[CCB III]

Just now, manboobs109 said:

Where do the immigrants live? Genuine question.

"Immigrants" as a big homogenous blob, or individuals? 
 

"where do immigrants live" is an incredibly general question I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to answer. 

[patrick bateman]

1 minute ago, manboobs109 said:

I had what could be best described as a "chaotic" lifestyle paddy.

You wouldn't understand.

No I think I might 

I step over such people on the way to eat foie gras...

 

Joking for the idiots who wouldn't get it

People go through stuff fella, it's how you come out of it 

I don't judge anyone had mates with problems you support them thru it I you can 

[Ke1t]

3 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Where do the immigrants live? Genuine question.

Depends what country they're in. 

 

[manboobs109]

Just now, CCB III said:

You're right. 
 

They could get houses for 5,000. Get mortgages being tea ladies. A union to stick up for their conditions. Good, solid contracts and good hours. Cheaper food, drink, everything really. 
 

But how can I say that when some guy can cycle a pizza to my door? 

Mortgages were much harder to get, much more expensive, food is cheaper than it's ever been, drink is much cheaper in supermarkets,  my old man used to save up to buy a bottle of whisky at new year.

You are havering. Accept it.

[patrick bateman]

2 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Get mortgages being tea ladies. 

That is some elitist shit there 

[manboobs109]

2 minutes ago, CCB III said:

"Immigrants" as a big homogenous blob, or individuals? 
 

"where do immigrants live" is an incredibly general question I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to answer. 

OK, people from abroad who come to live in Aberdeen for example, where do they live?

[DD1903]

3 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Am I?

 

We're talking about housing prices in general.

 

You giving me your personal anecdote doesn't change the overriding trend. 
 

Fair play to your folks for soldiering on
 

 

You said everyone got houses easy. (You have acknowledged the generalisations though). 
 

There is plenty generalisations here, yes. But,  what I find with many of the young uns I work with is that they're more bothered about have a nice car ahead of a gaff to themselves. Guys in their late 20s, who've been working for 9 years in a decent wage, still at home, but driving a top of the range motor. Claim they can't afford a mortgage, whilst paying the equivalent each month on a car. There is one guy paying 800 quid a month on a motor...800!

(he earns under 30k a year)

[manboobs109]

1 minute ago, Ke1t said:

Depends what country they're in. 

 

It's fairly obvious they use up available housing stock. Daft to claim otherwise.

[CCB III]

Just now, patrick bateman said:

That is some elitist shit there 

How so? 
 

Im not criticising the profession of being a tea lady, I'm saying that a job that doesn't pay a lot could get you a mortgage.

 

You can interpret that in any way you like. I've respect for tea ladies. 

[Ke1t]

1 minute ago, manboobs109 said:

It's fairly obvious they use up available housing stock. Daft to claim otherwise.

I think immigrants tend to rent when they first move to a new country, until they can establish their credit and finances, at which point they likely buy a house. 

What's your point?

[cheesepipes]

2 minutes ago, CCB III said:

How so? 
 

Im not criticising the profession of being a tea lady, I'm saying that a job that doesn't pay a lot could get you a mortgage.

 

You can interpret that in any way you like. I've respect for tea ladies. 

It was the husband who beat the tea lady for a cold supper that got the mortgage.

[CCB III]

For all you immigrant numpties;

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/jan/25/is-immigration-causing-the-uk-housing-crisis

 

 https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-and-housing-in-the-uk-experiences-and-impacts/

There's enough resources and material for more housing, including migrants. 
 

The issue is greed. As always.

[DD1903]

40 minutes ago, NEM said:

House prices have calmed down massively in the past 5-10 years compared to the 2000’s, certainly in Aberdeen. 
 

 

A flat in the close next to where I bought is valuing at around 15k more now than it was when I bought. That's nearly 20 years on

[cheesepipes]

2 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

I think immigrants tend to rent when they first move to a new country, until they can establish their credit and finances, at which point they likely buy a house. 

What's your point?

They rape teenagers and sell drugs via fast food outlets.

[NEM]

1 minute ago, DD1903 said:

A flat in the close next to where I bought is valuing at around 15k more now than it was when I bought. That's nearly 20 years on

My neighbours selling his hoose just now, it’s on for just under 10% less than he paid for it in 2012.

Back around 2005 houses were regularly going for silly money above the offers over price in Aberdeen

[Ke1t]

Just now, cheesepipes said:

They rape teenagers and sell drugs via fast food outlets.

You say that like it's a negative. 

Norman won't like that. 

[cheesepipes]

Just now, Ke1t said:

You say that like it's a negative. 

Norman won't like that. 

I'm sorry it came across that way.

 

 

[manboobs109]

6 minutes ago, CCB III said:

For all you immigrant numpties;

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/jan/25/is-immigration-causing-the-uk-housing-crisis

 

 https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-and-housing-in-the-uk-experiences-and-impacts/

There's enough resources and material for more housing, including migrants. 
 

The issue is greed. As always.

See that's why I've changed my stance on immigration.

[NEM]

6 minutes ago, CCB III said:

For all you immigrant numpties;

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/jan/25/is-immigration-causing-the-uk-housing-crisis

 

 https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-and-housing-in-the-uk-experiences-and-impacts/

There's enough resources and material for more housing, including migrants. 
 

The issue is greed. As always.

Where they building these houses? The UK (England mainly) is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe. 
 

Greed is one issue, as is immigration. Nonsense to suggest either has “fuck all to to with it”

[manboobs109]

7 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

I think immigrants tend to rent when they first move to a new country, until they can establish their credit and finances, at which point they likely buy a house. 

What's your point?

So they enter the housing market, presumably raising prices(more demand = higher prices) exactly the problem we're discussing.

No one is saying they are the only factor but they are a contributing factor.

[Ke1t]

3 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

So they enter the housing market, presumably raising prices(more demand = higher prices) exactly the problem we're discussing.

No one is saying they are the only factor but they are a contributing factor.

You have a whole industry dedicated to building new houses to meet demand, which in turn is supplied by multiple subsidiary industries, which creates work across the country, lowering unemployment and creating wealth for the working class. Not to mention enriching the banks via extortionate 30 year mortgages. 

Immigrants tend to be industrious go-getters, and I should know. 

[CCB III]

6 minutes ago, NEM said:

Where they building these houses? The UK (England mainly) is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe. 
 

Greed is one issue, as is immigration. Nonsense to suggest either has “fuck all to to with it”

Scotland has no issues in terms of space. 
 

England still has space, also. 
 

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN03012/SN03012.pdf
 

600,000+ empty homes! 
 

Fuckin hell

[NEM]

Just now, CCB III said:

Scotland has no issues in terms of space. 
 

England still has space, also. 
 

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN03012/SN03012.pdf
 

600,000+ empty homes! 
 

Fuckin hell

Get your name down!