mcdougall(4) Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Yep, you don't see many labourers, welders etc. refereeing games.They all seem to be directors of companies, accountants etc.Also, they must be getting close to £50k a year, for that type of money then surely it close to be a full time job.There are multiple reasons for this, it's not some conspiracy to keep the working man down... Link to comment
shut up meg Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 When you hear hooves, think horse Not zebra Do you have any suggestions? You question every other posters opinions but never contribute yourself. Link to comment
shut up meg Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 There are multiple reasons for this, it's not some conspiracy to keep the working man down... I'm just surprised that there appears to be no refs who are not professionals in their daily lives.There must be at least one blue collar worker who is a shit hot ref? Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I'm just surprised that there appears to be no refs who are not professionals in their daily lives.There must be at least one blue collar worker who is a shit hot ref?It doesn't surprise me at all.This is Scotland we're talking about here. Link to comment
shut up meg Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Yes Improve Ah well, that's it covered then.Onwards and upwards. Link to comment
BWG Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 Another shambles today Link to comment
Mouse Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 2 hearts players a mile offside today and the linesman is more blind than Stevie Wonder. Beaton was poor also, he only literally got his cards right in the last 10 mins Link to comment
DelMonte Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Worst Ive seen this season. Completely lost control. The shambles offside decision where the linesman raised his flag and it was given explains it all. Both linesman and referee total inept. Link to comment
tiktak Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 I'm just surprised that there appears to be no refs who are not professionals in their daily lives.There must be at least one blue collar worker who is a shit hot ref? Here is the reason then.I was an amateur level ref many moons ago with good reports from assessors, highly recommended by Alan Ferguson. Then I go to the ref training nights at Jordanhill where they did all their fitness work. I get welcomed and in the course of the running and stuff I'm asked what I do for a living. I was a hospital porter. Without word of a lie they barely spoke to me from there on. "Career" went no further. Spoke to many other amateur refs and heard the same tale repeatedly. If you ain't one of them - ie. professional career outside of refereeing - then they don't want to know, not interested. That is why you will NEVER see a porter, labourer, shelfstacker, binman etc reffing games at the top level in Scotland. Shame really because these are the guys who are more likely to be focused on the refereeing than their shitty other job. 4 Link to comment
shut up meg Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Here is the reason then.I was an amateur level ref many moons ago with good reports from assessors, highly recommended by Alan Ferguson. Then I go to the ref training nights at Jordanhill where they did all their fitness work. I get welcomed and in the course of the running and stuff I'm asked what I do for a living. I was a hospital porter. Without word of a lie they barely spoke to me from there on. "Career" went no further. Spoke to many other amateur refs and heard the same tale repeatedly. If you ain't one of them - ie. professional career outside of refereeing - then they don't want to know, not interested. That is why you will NEVER see a porter, labourer, shelfstacker, binman etc reffing games at the top level in Scotland. Shame really because these are the guys who are more likely to be focused on the refereeing than their shitty other job. Lol Based on ABSOLUTELY nothing @millertime Here you go, my opinion is now backed up with a posters personal experience. Link to comment
shut up meg Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 We all have different skill sets MT.Just because they are not an accountant or solicitor doesn't mean they can't referee a game of football. Link to comment
1903Fitba Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Takes a shit load of skill to operate a phone and read a script you thick weegie fuck. 1 Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I notice you haven't given answers The point is that Scotland is a small country population wise, then you start to decrease at all levels those willing to take part.You end up with a small and shallow pool to pick from.Furthermore, in this day and age of social media and internet bampoterry the toll being a ref in Scotland must put on your life.Fuck that.Answers? Werent they rhetorical questions? Here you go thoughNoIm too old to start working my way up as a ref How does that help your argument? Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Here is the reason then.I was an amateur level ref many moons ago with good reports from assessors, highly recommended by Alan Ferguson. Then I go to the ref training nights at Jordanhill where they did all their fitness work. I get welcomed and in the course of the running and stuff I'm asked what I do for a living. I was a hospital porter. Without word of a lie they barely spoke to me from there on. "Career" went no further. Spoke to many other amateur refs and heard the same tale repeatedly. If you ain't one of them - ie. professional career outside of refereeing - then they don't want to know, not interested. That is why you will NEVER see a porter, labourer, shelfstacker, binman etc reffing games at the top level in Scotland. Shame really because these are the guys who are more likely to be focused on the refereeing than their shitty other job.Does not surprise me at all. Exactly the sort of shite attitude I expect from people involved in our game tbh. This is exactly what holds us back. Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Haha BUT... the point you think you have proven I kinda agree with Why would you want someone devoid of skills as a ref?It should be merit based with refs assessed on their refereeing and integrity. Not prejudged based on a completely different skill set. 1 Link to comment
tup Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 You need to be a serious freemason first and foremost. Everything else will stem from that. CV is unimportant. Who is your faither will be the only question. See Andrew Dallas fast tracked to the top at 27 as glaring evidence. Link to comment
Guest milne_afc Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 (I'm pretty sure) the Freemasons have a vigorous selection process. It's not like any T, D or H can enter the lodge. Link to comment
Old Wing Stand Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 (I'm pretty sure) the Freemasons have a vigorous selection process. It's not like any T, D or H can enter the lodge.We have yes Link to comment
The Boofon Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 You would ken.You should look into the selection process Tup and see if its the part of the jigsaw missing from your life. Link to comment
tup Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 No chance I will be joining @freemasons Link to comment
maryhilldon Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 No chance. I will be joining @freemasonsTurncoat. Link to comment
Guest milne_afc Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Get yourself down to Breadalbane Terrace and tell them Brother Boofon sent you @@tup. Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 You should look into the selection process Tup and see if its the part of the jigsaw missing from your life.Only an idiot would think tups attitude isn't cos he got black balled in his early days of Link to comment
tup Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Get yourself down to Breadalbane Terrace and tell them Brother Boofon sent you @@tup.No thanks, I dinna need hunnery to prosper, shower of hardcore bigots populate that place. Link to comment
tup Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Only an idiot would think tups attitude isn't cos he got black balled in his early days of You're an idiot then. Link to comment
tiktak Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Does not surprise me at all. Exactly the sort of shite attitude I expect from people involved in our game tbh. This is exactly what holds us back. Their theory, which has been spoken about publicly in the past by our "top" referees, is that those in management level positions in their daily life are used to taking high pressure decisions and are therefore best placed to advance to the pro leagues. Link to comment
shut up meg Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 To be fair that rings true "Workies" are doing that job because they wouldn't handle the stress/scrutiny of "office" life You've obviously never built anything bigger than a lego car.Working in the office is a piece of piss compared to the workshop, especially when the equipment is safety critical. Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Their theory, which has been spoken about publicly in the past by our "top" referees, is that those in management level positions in their daily life are used to taking high pressure decisions and are therefore best placed to advance to the pro leagues.Be interested to know if this is a Scottish issue or something in the ref fraternity as a whole. Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 To be fair that rings true "Workies" are doing that job because they wouldn't handle the stress/scrutiny of "office" lifeYou work in a modern day factory chai Walla... Link to comment
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