shut up meg Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I've been in the workshop, manager of the workshop and manager of the office.Manager of the office is a piece of piss.Easiest job out of the 3. Link to comment
BWG Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share Posted December 31, 2017 Millerman delivers 15+ scalding hot coffees to a meeting in one run, with no PPE. I think the man kens about danger. 4 Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I've been in the workshop, manager of the workshop and manager of the office.Manager of the office is a piece of piss.Easiest job out of the 3.All relative to the jobs you do. Link to comment
shut up meg Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 All relative to the jobs you do. Yep I agree however still doesn't get away from the fact the likes of tiktak might be 10 x the ref than Colum etc. is however we'll never know as the referee fraternity is a closed shop. Link to comment
RAZOR Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Millerman delivers 15+ scalding hot coffees to a meeting in one run, with no PPE. I think the man kens about danger.I assume these coffees have sleeves and lids? Link to comment
caledonia Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 video technology (VAR) would never be allowed in Scotland as the old firm would lose to much pointsUnless its old firm and SFA guys on the video Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Yep I agree however still doesn't get away from the fact the likes of tiktak might be 10 x the ref than Colum etc. is however we'll never know as the referee fraternity is a closed shop. So genuinely, young lad(or lass) cos you need to start the process early to get to the top level, comes to you as workshop manager and asks to get time off to do some refereeing. A) How would you have dealt with and B) How do you think, in your experience, that would be received with the other people within the workplace? Thanks. Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 video technology (VAR) would never be allowed in Scotland as the old firm would lose too much many pointsUnless its old firm and SFA guys on the video Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Silly To be fair, I don't have the mindset to do manual labour, find it mind numbing But if it wasn't for the "office folk " there wouldn't be any work for the outsiders But being a chai walla isn't? Link to comment
The Boofon Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I don't get it?No you serve it. 1 Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 video technology (VAR) would never be allowed in Scotland as the old firm would lose to much pointsUnless its old firm and SFA guys on the videoIve always been sceptical about that. Arse cheek teams tend to spend more time in the opposition box ergo more penalty shouts, last man claims etc. On balance I think theyd benefit simply as they have better players to draw fouls etc. Where theyd suffer is if they brought it in using existing tv coverage since, as Tup occasionally mentions they are on every other week so more scrutiny. 2 Link to comment
tiktak Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Yep I agree however still doesn't get away from the fact the likes of tiktak might be 10 x the ref than Colum etc. is however we'll never know as the referee fraternity is a closed shop. Next door's dog would be 10x the referee Collum is. So genuinely, young lad(or lass) cos you need to start the process early to get to the top level, comes to you as workshop manager and asks to get time off to do some refereeing. A) How would you have dealt with and B) How do you think, in your experience, that would be received with the other people within the workplace? Thanks. That is one genuine point that might be a problem for some. Had I gone to my gaffer at the time and said I'll not be in tomorrow as I'm in Dundee doing a game I'd have been told "are you fuck". Comes down to choice then. Give up the dream or the job. No brainer for me, could always have got another job to fit the schedule.There is another genuine point to make regarding employment. If you are working in Asda or are maybe a taxi driver for instance, that fact will be well known locally and there are plenty of nutballs who would potentially come looking for you if their team had got a shit decision costing them a game you were reffing. So I can see that it may cause issues. Link to comment
The Boofon Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Ive always been sceptical about that. Arse cheek teams tend to spend more time in the opposition box ergo more penalty shouts, last man claims etc. On balance I think theyd benefit simply as they have better players to draw fouls etc. Where theyd suffer is if they brought it in using existing tv coverage since, as Tup occasionally mentions they are on every other week so more scrutiny.That has no impact on the match. Games done by then. Needs to have instant review by 4th official. Its working perfectly in the leagues abroad at the moment. Has to happen. Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Next door's dog would be 10x the referee Collum is. That is one genuine point that might be a problem for some. Had I gone to my gaffer at the time and said I'll not be in tomorrow as I'm in Dundee doing a game I'd have been told "are you fuck". Comes down to choice then. Give up the dream or the job. No brainer for me, could always have got another job to fit the schedule.There is another genuine point to make regarding employment. If you are working in Asda or are maybe a taxi driver for instance, that fact will be well known locally and there are plenty of nutballs who would potentially come looking for you if their team had got a shit decision costing them a game you were reffing. So I can see that it may cause issues. I do think the job thing - finances, time, bosses and co-worker attitudes are a stumbling block. With social media it's easier to get the nutters pointed in the direction...which is shit really. Link to comment
tup Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/31/freemasons-blocking-reform-police-federation-leader Masons at their usual here. Link to comment
Sheepo Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Its the basics you notice being handled badly by all Scottish refs, for example time wasting should be an easy fix but as the last two games have shown the ref just ignore it the amount of times you see a Scottish ref turn his back on goal kicks is beyond belief, very rarely do they book keepers for time wasting, the lack of protection for talented players is Scotland is very worrying and has been for a while, also basics like throw ins and the guessing that goes on with them is embarrassing and the pure lack of help the refs get from linesman compared to other leagues doesn't help Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 That has no impact on the match. Games done by then. Needs to have instant review by 4th official. Its working perfectly in the leagues abroad at the moment. Has to happen.So why is it not happening? Is it because Arbroath have said they dont want it? Like fuck its not. Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 So why is it not happening? Is it because Arbroath have said they dont want it? Like fuck its not.It's hugely expensive Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Not using existing tele coverage its not which was the point being discussed. Link to comment
shut up meg Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 ' So genuinely, young lad(or lass) cos you need to start the process early to get to the top level, comes to you as workshop manager and asks to get time off to do some refereeing. A) How would you have dealt with and B) How do you think, in your experience, that would be received with the other people within the workplace? Thanks. @@mcdougall(4) Apologies for the delay in responding, I'm just back online. I'd assume I'd treat them like all the youngsters that play football or rugby as they'd start at amatuers/juniors.Once they start advancing they would be managed accordingly as they progressed i.e. flexi time for relatively local games, holidays or unpaid time off etc.if they are going to be away for any length of time.In regards to the other members of staff, I'm not sure as I've never faced that problem but you'd need to deal with it as it comes along. I think that budding refs would face the same problems as players and there are lots of blue collar workers that play in the Highland/Senior leagues who manage a job and football. I've also never worked directly with any players that have played beyond local leagues so this is a bit hypothetical for me. Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 ' @@mcdougall(4) Apologies for the delay in responding, I'm just back online. I'd assume I'd treat them like all the youngsters that play football or rugby as they'd start at amatuers/juniors.Once they start advancing they would be managed accordingly as they progressed i.e. flexi time for relatively local games, holidays or unpaid time off etc.if they are going to be away for any length of time.In regards to the other members of staff, I'm not sure as I've never faced that problem but you'd need to deal with it as it comes along. I think that budding refs would face the same problems as players and there are lots of blue collar workers that play in the Highland/Senior leagues who manage a job and football. I've also never worked directly with any players that have played beyond local leagues so this is a bit hypothetical for me. Thanks for the response Interesting, although highly hypothetical, I hadn't considered the issue of refereeing 'work mates', which is another wrinkle. Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Assistant just put his flag up for offsideFrom a throw in Link to comment
mcdougall(4) Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Then there is this Link to comment
The Boofon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Then there is this Some pass that. Link to comment
shut up meg Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Have any referees from Aberdeen referee'd our games? Mike Pocock?Alan Freeland? Fuck knows who else there is...Gordon Middleton used to run the line and he never got Dons games as far as i know due to being a dons fan.Freeland and Pocock never reffed a dons game as far as I can remember. Link to comment
boboisared Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Have any referees from Aberdeen referee'd our games? Mike Pocock?Alan Freeland? Fuck knows who else there is...Did Freeland not do the game at Dens when we were 2-0 down in the first half and he was awful, didn't give Aberdeen a thing. Second half, he went the other way and gave everything to the Dons, including a late penalty? Link to comment
OddJob Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Did Freeland not do the game at Dens when we were 2-0 down in the first half and he was awful, didn't give Aberdeen a thing. Second half, he went the other way and gave everything to the Dons, including a late penalty? Canna say I remember that mate. I remember he was a shite ref tho Link to comment
boboisared Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Canna say I remember that mate. I remember he was a shite ref thohttps://mattleslie74.weebly.com/blog/time-to-blow-the-whistle I got the Dundee v Aberdeen bit right, just not the score etc Link to comment
Chewie37 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Have any referees from Aberdeen referee'd our games? Mike Pocock?Alan Freeland? Fuck knows who else there is...Willie Miller........ Link to comment
RAZOR Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Did Freeland not do the game at Dens when we were 2-0 down in the first half and he was awful, didn't give Aberdeen a thing. Second half, he went the other way and gave everything to the Dons, including a late penalty?Parkhead as well I believe. Link to comment
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