France v Scotland

[Guest CAPSLOCK]

I was too busy pooping my pants the whole game to be caring about individual performances, no single one of them stood out for me, but every last one of them scrapped and fought and gave us a result we can be proud of.

 

WHAT HE SAID.

 

I'M STILL LOST FOR WORDS......

 

[The Hobbit]

WHAT HE SAID.

 

I'M STILL LOST FOR WORDS......

 

 

Today gets better and better.

[Guest CAPSLOCK]

Today gets better and better.

 

*SILENTLY BENDS OVER IN FRONT OF THE HOBBIT AND POINTS AT HIS BUM.

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[The Hobbit]

 

 

Has to be said, what the ***k was the goalie doing?

[The Hobbit]

*SILENTLY BENDS OVER IN FRONT OF THE HOBBIT AND POINTS AT HIS BUM.

 

Keep your big red bumhole to yourself.

[Guest CAPSLOCK]

Has to be said, what the ***k was the goalie doing?

 

PICKING THE BALL OUT OF THE NET.

[BTR]

Stato alert.

 

Looking beyond the EC whether we qualify or not, I think it's important to make sure we get a big push up the co-efficient table so we get a better WC Qualifying draw. The way things stand our co-efficient is 1.789 which would see us comfortably in the 3rd group of seeds which is where we want to be. If we take 3pts from the last 3 games we'll be on 1.682 for the WC qualifiers which might be borderline, but should probably be just enough.

 

We might still yet suffer thanks to Berti's miserable campaign last time where we only took 13pts from 10 games which taken on its own is a dismal 1.3 and another similar catastrophic performance would've seen us drop to bandit country.

[BTR]

We should be pushing for 2nd group of seeds!!!

 

To do that we'd need to take maximum points from the last 3 games to achieve a 1.9 rating. Not totally impossible, but highly unlikely and kind of dependent how many qualifying groups there will be, I'm basing it on there being 7 groups as current, but in all likelihood there may be 8 given neither the hosts or champions are from Europe this time (and therefore no Europeans have auto qualification). That's why I say the Vogts campaign f*cked us up.

[The Hobbit]

To do that we'd need to take maximum points from the last 3 games to achieve a 1.9 rating. Not totally impossible, but highly unlikely and kind of dependent how many qualifying groups there will be, I'm basing it on there being 7 groups as current, but in all likelihood there may be 8 given neither the hosts or champions are from Europe this time (and therefore no Europeans have auto qualification). That's why I say the Vogts campaign f*cked us up.

 

Italy aren't from Europe?

 

Or are we still in the situation where the winners need to qualify?

[K-9]

Stato alert.

 

Looking beyond the EC whether we qualify or not, I think it's important to make sure we get a big push up the co-efficient table so we get a better WC Qualifying draw. The way things stand our co-efficient is 1.789 which would see us comfortably in the 3rd group of seeds which is where we want to be. If we take 3pts from the last 3 games we'll be on 1.682 for the WC qualifiers which might be borderline, but should probably be just enough.

 

We might still yet suffer thanks to Berti's miserable campaign last time where we only took 13pts from 10 games which taken on its own is a dismal 1.3 and another similar catastrophic performance would've seen us drop to bandit country.

Usually the groups are taken from results from last 2 qualifying groups rather than co-efficients.

[BTR]

Italy aren't from Europe?

 

Or are we still in the situation where the winners need to qualify?

 

My mistake, I was thinking Brazil for some strange reason .

 

I can't remember about the qualification issue tbh. Brazil had to qualify last time didn't they?

[Madbad]

My mistake, I was thinking Brazil for some strange reason .

 

I can't remember about the qualification issue tbh. Brazil had to qualify last time didn't they?

 

Aye, only the hosts are automatic these days.

[BTR]

Usually the groups are taken from results from last 2 qualifying groups rather than co-efficients.

 

Yes, that's how I've worked it out. Still classed as a "co-efficient" though isn't it?

 

13pts from last campaign (10 games)

24pts from 12 games in this campaign (speculative)

 

37pts in 22 games = 1.682

[K-9]

Yes, that's how I've worked it out. Still classed as a "co-efficient" though isn't it?

 

13pts from last campaign (10 games)

24pts from 12 games in this campaign (speculative)

 

37pts in 22 games = 1.682

Think there is a site that works this out from a while back!!

[K-9]

http://sport.scotsman.com/football_worldcup.cfm?id=996502007

[BTR]

http://sport.scotsman.com/football_worldcup.cfm?id=996502007

 

It's still the same method to calculate it, it just means that with 9 groups, to get into the third seeds, we'd need to be 27th at worst, as opposed to 21st with the current 7-group set-up, ie we have a better chance.

 

So, to take Robo's point again about pushing into the second seeds, based on Norway currently being in 18th place with 1.778, we'd need to take 6 points from our last 3 games to give ourselves a chance of breaking into the second group of seeds.

[K-9]

It's still the same method to calculate it, it just means that with 9 groups, to get into the third seeds, we'd need to be 27th at worst, as opposed to 21st with the current 7-group set-up, ie we have a better chance.

 

So, to take Robo's point again about pushing into the second seeds, based on Norway currently being in 18th place with 1.778, we'd need to take 6 points from our last 3 games to give ourselves a chance of breaking into the second group of seeds.

Yup - but just can't find the site that told you the latest list.

[BTR]

Yup - but just can't find the site that told you the latest list.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficients

[Guest CAPSLOCK]

ANYONE ELSE LOOK AT JAMES MCFADDEN'S ROLE OF LONE STRIKER LAST NIGHT AND THINK OF STEVIE LOVELL?

 

NO, ME NEITHER.

[K-9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficients

There was another site which did this totally up to date from all matches played. Since this draw we will lose their decent qualifying campaign from last Euro Championships when we finished second and left with last world cup campaign which was pretty rank!!

[Guest CAPSLOCK]

ON A SIDE NOTE, I'M SURE THE PUNDIT LAST NIGHT SAID "THE SCOTTISH TEAM HAVEN'T WON ON FRENCH SOIL FOR 58 YEARS".......

 

IS THAT TRUE OR DOES HE MEAN DUNKIRK?!

 

[K-9]

Latest list as per 25th June:

 

PPG

1 Italy 2.294

2 Germany 2.714

3 Netherlands 2.556

4 Sweden 2.471

5 Croatia 2.412

6 Portugal 2.316

7 England 2.294

8 Poland 2.263

9 France 2.235

 

10 Romania 2.211

11 Czech 2.158

12 Serbia 2.118

13 Spain 2.059

14 Ukraine 2.056

15 Greece 2.053

16 Turkey 2.000

17 Russia 2.000

18 Israel 1.944

 

19 Norway 1.824

20 Switzerland 1.800

21 Denmark 1.778

22 Bulgaria 1.765

23 Ireland 1.765

24 Bosnia 1.706

25 Slovakia 1.684

26 Scotland 1.647

27 Finland 1.500

 

28 Austria 1.500

29 N.Ireland 1.375

30 Hungary 1.176

31 Albania 1.158

32 Belgium 1.056

33 Belarus 1.000

34 Lithuania 1.000

35 Latvia 1.000

36 Slovenia 0.941

 

37 Wales 0.938

38 Estonia 0.895

39 Macedonia 0.842

40 Georgia 0.800

41 Armenia 0.737

42 Liechtenstein 0.632

43 Cyprus 0.500

44 Iceland 0.471

45 Azerbaijan 0.444

 

46 Malta 0.412

47 Moldova 0.412

48 Kazakhstan 0.350

49 Andorra 0.263

50 Faroe Islands 0.056

51 Luxembourg 0.000

52 San Marino 0.000

53 Montenegro 0.000

 

Since then we have 2 wins to boost us up comfortable in 3rd seeds but another couple of wins could see us push for 2nd seeds, with Israel losing since the above, Rusiia winning 1 and losing 1, Ukraine drawing and losing.

 

scotland v Ukraine could be even more important!!

[Madbad]

We will surely overtake the likes of Israel after this?

[DandyDons1903]

I was under the impression we had moved under 20th in the rankings. I'm virtually certain we did.

[BTR]

I was under the impression we had moved under 20th in the rankings. I'm virtually certain we did.

 

We did, but the rankings and the co-efficients table are not the same thing. Co-efficients are more important.

 

Madbad, as things stand we are on 1.789, as I posted earlier.

[Madbad]

We did, but the rankings and the co-efficients table are not the same thing. Co-efficients are more important.

 

Madbad, as things stand we are on 1.789, as I posted earlier.

 

Sorry, getting mixed up with qualification rankings and FIFA world ratings

 

Me thick

[roosterbooster]

here's the up to date Co-efficients after last nights games - Comfortably in 3rd group would need 9 points to move up to second group. Though regadless if we have a good World Cup 2012 qualifiction then we could be pushing for top seeds as we will dump Berti's miserable campaign. For the World Cup it will most likely be 8 groups for qualifying

 

 

Combined

Played Points Coeff

 

1 Germany 8 22 2.750

2 Netherlands 20 52 2.600

3 Croatia 19 47 2.474

4 Sweden 18 43 2.389

5 England 19 45 2.368

6 Italy 19 43 2.263

7 Romania 20 45 2.250

8 Czech 21 47 2.238

 

9 Poland 21 45 2.143

10 Portugal 22 47 2.136

11 Turkey 20 42 2.100

12 France 19 39 2.053

13 Spain 19 39 2.053

14 Greece 20 40 2.000

15 Russia 21 41 1.952

16 Serbia 20 38 1.900

 

17 Ukraine 24 42 1.750

18 Israel 19 35 1.842

19 Norway 19 35 1.842

20 Denmark 20 36 1.800

21 Scotland 19 34 1.789

22 Bulgaria 19 33 1.737

23 Ireland 19 31 1.632

24 Slovakia 21 33 1.571

 

25 Bosnia 19 29 1.526

26 Finalnd 23 35 1.522

27 N Ireland 19 25 1.316

28 Hungary 19 23 1.211

29 Slovenia 19 22 1.158

30 Belguim 20 23 1.150

31 Albania 20 22 1.100

32 Lithuania 19 20 1.053

 

33 Latvia 20 21 1.050

34 Wales 18 18 1.000

35 Estonia 22 21 0.955

36 Belarus 19 17 0.895

37 Macedonia 21 17 0.810

38 Georgia 21 17 0.810

39 Cyprus 18 14 0.778

40 Armenia 20 15 0.750

 

41 Iceland 19 12 0.632

42 Lichenstein 21 12 0.571

43 Moldova 19 10 0.526

44 Azerbjan 18 8 0.444

45 Malta 18 8 0.444

46 Kazhakstan 22 8 0.364

47 Andorra 21 5 0.238

48 Faroes 19 1 0.053

49 Luxemburg 21 0 0.000

50 San Marino 19 0 0.000

[Nelly]

here's the up to date Co-efficients after last nights games - Comfortably in 3rd group would need 9 points to move up to second group. Though regadless if we have a good World Cup 2012 qualifiction then we could be pushing for top seeds as we will dump Berti's miserable campaign. For the World Cup it will most likely be 8 groups for qualifying

Combined

Played Points Coeff

 

1 Germany 8 22 2.750

2 Netherlands 20 52 2.600

3 Croatia 19 47 2.474

4 Sweden 18 43 2.389

5 England 19 45 2.368

6 Italy 19 43 2.263

7 Romania 20 45 2.250

8 Czech 21 47 2.238

 

9 Poland 21 45 2.143

10 Portugal 22 47 2.136

11 Turkey 20 42 2.100

12 France 19 39 2.053

13 Spain 19 39 2.053

14 Greece 20 40 2.000

15 Russia 21 41 1.952

16 Serbia 20 38 1.900

 

17 Ukraine 24 42 1.750

18 Israel 19 35 1.842

19 Norway 19 35 1.842

20 Denmark 20 36 1.800

21 Scotland 19 34 1.789

22 Bulgaria 19 33 1.737

23 Ireland 19 31 1.632

24 Slovakia 21 33 1.571

 

Shouldn't Ukraine be below us now??

[jeffers]

Shouldn't Ukraine be below us now??

 

NO, against them