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Hitler was a loser. The world is full of men with good ideas. It's the implementation of good ideas that matters.

 

It's been said that he chose the wrong allies. After all, Mussolini's cock-up in Greece delayed the invasion of the USSR by 2 months and subsequently cost them the chance to gate-crash Moscow before the severe Russian winter kicked in. His alliance with Japan also brought him to war with the previously neutral USA.

 

Not that I agree with his totalitarian politics (although the body-count for Communism is far, FAR higher and more barbaric), but he was damn close to winning the war, were it not for his choice of allies.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21689.htm

 

watched the above news report and couldnt beleive what i was hearing.

 

i' dont know alot of whats going on over there or why it started but the scenes at the start with the children is horrendous

 

this needs to stop

 

You said this 5.5 years ago.

 

This is decades old.

 

Before, since and now.

 

Simple solution.

 

Either look at the facts - the evidence of the last 60 years - and make restitution or get rid of the unjust US support for one side and let them fight it out.

 

Then again, since they hate each other so much that innocent children will be slaughtered - as they are being right now - it would be immoral to sit back and let the arabs kill the jews.

 

Yet it's ok for the jews to kill the arabs? In 2014, this month, this week, today?

 

How did this get so fucked up?

 

Oh right. Hamas are the baddies. I forgot.

 

The oldest conflict in world history needs resolved. For all our benefit.

 

Right the wrongs. One wrong by a nutter Austrian did not make the big wrong right.

 

The US and Israel are just a matter of time.

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People don't realise, and I never realised that Palestine is now reduced to the size of the Black Isle. I kid you not!

 

Can you imagine having one of the worlds great military powers on you and you are sat in Fortrose? That is seriously twisted. I'm impressed that they can manage to fight back at all, what a complete disgrace against humanity.

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I'm going to put this in the simplest terms as I understand them. It's how shit went bad I won't be offended if I get torn to bits for this as I'm as keen as anyone to know why people can be such wankers.

 

Jews been persecuted since Jesus

 

Their is a war and nobody really likes the Jews

 

However everyone agrees that just killing millions of Jews is way uncool

 

After the war we say "sorry if that was a bit brutal but take this bit of sand we've mapped out for you".

 

I can't be arsed finishing this story. It gets boring. Google it.

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I'm going to put this in the simplest terms as I understand them. It's how shit went bad I won't be offended if I get torn to bits for this as I'm as keen as anyone to know why people can be such wankers.

 

Jews been persecuted since Jesus

 

Their is a war and nobody really likes the Jews

 

However everyone agrees that just killing millions of Jews is way uncool

 

After the war we say "sorry if that was a bit brutal but take this bit of sand we've mapped out for you".

 

I can't be arsed finishing this story. It gets boring. Google it.

The bit I don't understand is how they got Israel in the first place. Who decided to pinch some Arab land to make Jew heaven, right on 'holy' land? Was there general public uproar, what with the irony of invading land in the forties?

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The Jews are taking the piss, you'd think after the war they of all people would have compassion for others, what they're doing just now disgusts me. Even if they are getting the odd home made rocket thrown at them they don't have the right to bombard the place, would we have done that to Belfast??

 

They want all of Palestine wiped off the map and they'll get it unless the World stands up to them.

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The bit I don't understand is how they got Israel in the first place. Who decided to pinch some Arab land to make Jew heaven, right on 'holy' land? Was there general public uproar, what with the irony of invading land in the forties?

 

 

 

UK post WW2, was given a mandate over the area known as Palestine. and decided to introduce the state of Israel right bang in the middle of Arab land, so much of the blame is firmly on us.

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There were Jews who lived in Palestine already but after the mass exodus of the European Jews post WWII they ended up heading to Palestine due to them believing that Yahweh or whatever name their imaginary friend has said the land belonged to them. Palestine was under a British Mandate and when the Haganah started using terrorism to take control the Brits walked away. Yes terrorism. Now Hamas are seen as the evil ones but terrorism was OK back in the 40s.

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George Galloway has been putting out some strong videos regarding this crisis, as he has done for years. What gets me is that he stands up in Westminster and points at the foreign secretary and says 'do something to help all of these innocent people dying' and they all look at him like he is a loonie. I guess he is. The whole thing is a tragedy, America and Westminster to blame. Vote Yes

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This shit happens every few years where Israel absolutely batters the shit out of Gaza, people around the world protest about it and the politicians do fuck all about it because it's not in their interests to intervene. The politicians know that It'll calm down in a few weeks after 100s more civilians or even 1000s more have been killed and then it'll all be forgotten about until the next time it happens. Meanwhile Palestine can get on with living a miserable existence out of the media spot light.

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George Galloway has been putting out some strong videos regarding this crisis, as he has done for years. What gets me is that he stands up in Westminster and points at the foreign secretary and says 'do something to help all of these innocent people dying' and they all look at him like he is a loonie. I guess he is. The whole thing is a tragedy, America and Westminster to blame. Vote Yes

I love how he calls the Israelis "settlers". Dear god, I'm thinking along the same lines as George Galloway!

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Galloway has now completely lost the plot. Just been watching this:

 

 

 

 

He now speaks with a kind of hybrid accent of Dundee/Someone out of Lawrence of Arabia.

 

He did well in the house of congress and he makes valid points but I would be wary of pinning my colours to the mast of someone who appears on the verge of a breakdown. He's more mental than ever and I reckon he is seeking out the perfect Middle Eastern state to take charge of the radge cunt he is.

 

It's entertaining though. The boy is something else.

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Right or wrong what he's got to say. The man is still a cretin of the highest order.

Always the victim type character.

He has spoken nothing but sense about the Iraq war sense the outset and his predictions have proven correct. He's a mentalist and not particularly likeable but I suggest you Check out some of his earlier YouTube vids and especially the one when he owns a guff in 2005 and all the foresighted ness of it. He knows a lot about the Middle East. Seems he is no longer an observer and has gone rouge though.

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Right or wrong what he's got to say. The man is still a cretin of the highest order.

Always the victim type character.

If the Jew/Palestinian problem was solved tomorrow he'd become the voice of the wronged for some other cause before the Palestinians could shout Allah Akbar . It gets his puss on tv and that is all that matters.

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He's a voice for Palestinians when no-one else will speak up for them. 2M people on an area of land the size of the Black Isle with nowhere to run to but the sea.

 

I'm kinda in flux about my opinion but I reckon the Palestinians have a good voice through Galloway. Or at least I'd rather have him on my side than not. I'm not sure what to make of him but anyone who can stand before the US Senate and hand them their bollocks on a plate is a man to be reckoned with.

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GG is magic. A good orator and a man of true principle, great courage and high integrity.

A lot of his rhetoric and analogies are repeated over and over but what is to be admired is his supreme confidence and a very stern delivery. He is very impressive and I must admit I only started doing a bit of research on him this weekend. You won't see him on the BBC or similar much as he has crucified them so badly in the past that they are scared shitless of him.

 

Salmond is better though. He never loses his cool and delivers every killer blow with a grin.

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Salmons is a shit.

 

Much as I believe in Scottish independence and all 5 of us in this family who are old enough to will be voting Yes, Salmond is a professional politician who is only interested in me, me, me.

 

GG stands for his principles, not for himself.

 

That's a huge distinction.

 

Politicians were meant to stand for principle only. Only George does.

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I hear what you are saying. I was about to recommend that GG take a bit of Salmond's nouse but that would just dilute the purity of his argument.

 

Rocket, do you think GG is straight up in what he is saying? I detect an ego behind it all but that doesn't make him necessarily wrong.

He seems genuine but a small part of me remains unconvinced.

 

I do agree with pretty much everything he has said with regards to the Middle East.

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