Granite Web Vs. Winter Gairden

[OddJob]

http://thecitygardenproject.com/

Looks even better than i first saw it and i was impressed then

[Dandyesque]

Looks even better than i first saw it and i was impressed then

 

All sunshine and thin people. Not a seagull in sight.

 

Looks fuck all like Aberdeen to me.

 

Also, how much do you reckon they're charging for a pint in that outdoor cafe? Seven quid or so?

 

Load of wank.

[hopeisimportant]

Looks even better than i first saw it and i was impressed then

 

+1

 

I realise that it will obviously look good in the designers plans but IF these plans are stuck to it will be a brilliant space for the city. I love how it is linked into the streets around all 4 'sides' although I don't really understand where the link to Belmont Street will be.

 

I fear that this will be shot down by the majority of the public voters but I really really hope i'm wrong and it's given the green light.

 

VOTE YES!

[King Street Loon]

Got to say, but looking at that link for the design plans for the gardens I think it looks pretty good.

[Dandyesque]

Got to say, but looking at that link for the design plans for the gardens I think it looks pretty good.

 

Of course it does- it's advertising. They're hardly going to make it look shit are they?

 

I'd be more worried about what will happen to other budgets once the council bankrupts itself to pay for it.

 

No libraries in Aberdeen, but that's ok because I can buy a 7 quid beer in the pissing rain......

[King Street Loon]

Of course it does- it's advertising. They're hardly going to make it look shit are they?

 

I'd be more worried about what will happen to other budgets once the council bankrupts itself to pay for it.

 

No libraries in Aberdeen, but that's ok because I can buy a 7 quid beer in the pissing rain......

 

You don't say.

 

I agree with you about the budget cuts within Aberdeen.

Criminal the amount of places that have ben closed down over the years or left to rot.

[Dandyesque]

You don't say.

 

I agree with you about the budget cuts within Aberdeen.

Criminal the amount of places that have ben closed down over the years or left to rot.

 

Look at the Beach for example.

 

Used to be a cracking place once upon a time, judging by the old photos.

 

What's there now? Some shitty chain restaraunts and a purpose-built nightclub that has been closed for more time than it was ever open.

 

Aberdeen council have not got a fucking clue - that's why I would not trust this development - it will be the developers who decide what happens and they'll only be thinking about a quick buck - a quick buck that they want us to pay for....

[OddJob]

+1

 

I realise that it will obviously look good in the designers plans but IF these plans are stuck to it will be a brilliant space for the city. I love how it is linked into the streets around all 4 'sides' although I don't really understand where the link to Belmont Street will be.

 

I fear that this will be shot down by the majority of the public voters but I really really hope i'm wrong and it's given the green light.

 

VOTE YES!

I think the balcony of Revolution will be an area to link up with, so probably the areas to the side of that maybe. But brilliant stuff to link Belmont Street either way

 

Look at the Beach for example.

 

Used to be a cracking place once upon a time, judging by the old photos.

 

What's there now? Some shitty chain restaraunts and a purpose-built nightclub that has been closed for more time than it was ever open.

 

Aberdeen council have not got a fucking clue - that's why I would not trust this development - it will be the developers who decide what happens and they'll only be thinking about a quick buck - a quick buck that they want us to pay for....

I agree with you there, always said that Amadeus should have been re-opened. Hopefully though the gardens will be a success and will pave the way for future projects, the beach being the next one or certainly an idea. You've got to speculate to accumulate at the end of the day

[Dandyesque]

I think the balcony of Revolution will be an area to link up with, so probably the areas to the side of that maybe. But brilliant stuff to link Belmont Street either way

 

 

I agree with you there, always said that Amadeus should have been re-opened. Hopefully though the gardens will be a success and will pave the way for future projects, the beach being the next one or certainly an idea. You've got to speculate to accumulate at the end of the day

 

 

Em..... That was really not my point at all....

[Roo]

That church you speak of is owned privately and is currently up for sale. The council don't own it. That's why it wasn't cleaned during the refurb.. Do you think they just stopped for no reason?

 

 

No not at all. You're missing my point - spam had been saying that if you give folk an area to be proud of then they will contribute to that area. So the Council spend a good deal of money cleaning up one of the (in my opinion anyway) most impressive buildings in the city - and from all accounts, the privately owned church at the end of it were being complete cunts about their end of the building (although I admit there was probably some council ineptitude involved there somewhere).

 

Now it just looks bloody stupid

[Jazzer_Bett]

Glad to see there are a lot of people responding positively to Granite Web design, following the website and animation.

[daytripping]

I thought i was funny that the anti progress people were coming out with scare stories about cost over runs etc and Mr Wood shoots them down with a

[dervish]

Wasn't sure about tellietubby land but from the ground it might look ok.

[beer gut]

No not at all. You're missing my point - spam had been saying that if you give folk an area to be proud of then they will contribute to that area. So the Council spend a good deal of money cleaning up one of the (in my opinion anyway) most impressive buildings in the city - and from all accounts, the privately owned church at the end of it were being complete cunts about their end of the building (although I admit there was probably some council ineptitude involved there somewhere).

 

Now it just looks bloody stupid

 

But they do not own the building. Why spend some of the budget on cleaning it if they won't benefit from it? For all we know they may have offered to do it if the owners paid for their share and were turned down. Who knows.

 

I'm sure the council will be interested in purchasing the building anyway so they'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they cleaned it first then had to pay more to buy it.

[brownie]

http://thecitygardenproject.com/

 

 

I have been against the proposals for raising the gardens and was 100% against the granite web based on the the images/models I have seen.

 

However, if that link is accurate then Im all for it. It looks fantastic.

[Betty Swallicks]

Pay 6 x security guards

[fatshaft]

I thought i was funny that the anti progress people were coming out with scare stories about cost over runs etc and Mr Wood shoots them down with a

[OddJob]

The utter tube from "Friends Of UTG" is a twat. Speaking shite in the EE, what else is new

[Dandyesque]

I thought i was funny that the anti progress people were coming out with scare stories about cost over runs etc and Mr Wood shoots them down with a

[dervish]

Good to see people focusing on the pound signs and ignoring other elements.

 

Such as the fact they are refusing to make the comments made by the public at a public viewing available to the public.

 

One wonders what they have to hide?

 

True it's not a very classy way to do it. (I'm pro this though)

[Dandyesque]

True it's not a very classy way to do it. (I'm pro this though)

 

There's also the fact that Wood seems really desperate for it.

 

Like, throwing tens of millions repeatedly at it desperate.

[fatshaft]

Are you agaisnt every development in Aberdeen Dandyesque?

 

 

Anyway, see Woody will spend all his money in Africa if he loses the public vote. What a kind benevolent benefactor to the city that has made him a billionaire he clearly is.

[Dandyesque]

Are you agaisnt every development in Aberdeen Dandyesque?

 

 

Anyway, see Woody will spend all his money in Africa if he loses the public vote. What a kind benevolent benefactor to the city that has made him a billionaire he clearly is.

 

Have a look at the AWPR thread for an answer to that.

 

Sensible and or sensitive, sustainable development is fine by me.

 

Neither Trump's project (which is far from being just a golf course) nor destroying a park to build a park at the cost of other far more worthwhile projects meet that criteria for me.

[RabidGiraffe]

I thought i was funny that the anti progress people were coming out with scare stories about cost over runs etc and Mr Wood shoots them down with a

[Dandyesque]

The "anti-progress" thing is getting a bit tired. Not everyone is either for all UTG/AWPR/Trump's golf course developments or against. Most poeple are for some of these developments but against others, for varying reasons.

 

If you care to read all the material that's been printed on the UTG project I think you'll find there's been much more scaremongering from the pro lobby than the against.

 

Aberdeen being doomed if it is not built being a case in point.

 

Nothing about the city centre being a no go area for cars for roughly 3 years being mentioned...

[fifered]

Aberdeen being doomed if it is not built being a case in point.

 

Nothing about the city centre being a no go area for cars for roughly 3 years being mentioned...

The city centre in part should be a no go area for cars anyway, union street is a mess and it should be pedestrianised from market street to bridge street to go along with the new garden project. Whilst they are at it they could sort out the castlegate so instead of being a haven for minging pubs, newsagents and drunks there are more cafes or restaurants.

 

I really can't see the argument for keeping the gardens in the current form, it's a waste of space.

[OddJob]

The city centre in part should be a no go area for cars anyway, union street is a mess and it should be pedestrianised from market street to bridge street to go along with the new garden project. Whilst they are at it they could sort out the castlegate so instead of being a haven for minging pubs, newsagents and drunks there are more cafes or restaurants.

 

I really can't see the argument for keeping the gardens in the current form, it's a waste of space.

This ^^^

[Mouse]

Without sounding like a hippy, I'm not happy with the prospect of them tearing down 200 year old trees. To be honest, I think the existing gardens need a refresh. The large open space is the best part, it's the pathways etc that need a severe makeover. They should still go ahead with covering over the carriageway and railway and create some sort of platform that would lead into the gardens and also be accessible from Belmont Street imo

[a don in oz]

I would *LOVE* it if it comes off like the design and stuff at http://thecitygarden...ect.com/faq.htm shows what with the heaps of people, cafes, restaurants.

 

But I think everyone on the planet knows it'll end up a disastrous waste of money and like others said, in a few years it'll look tired, and old and out of place.

 

I think that is just a cultural thing (borne at least partially of climate). Over here it'd work. There? I can't see it and that is a shame.

 

Hope I'm wrong though. Aberdeen desperately needs something to add something to the city centre.

 

Union Square has totally turned around that part just hanging off the centre but the centre itself is dire. Pretty sad to see how it's declined in just the decade or so since I left.

 

Oh and I hope some of this massive money being gathered to do it is ALSO being put aside to look after its upkeep for the next decade plus because the city can't afford that.

[Jazzer_Bett]

Video tour which is worth watching :

 

http://thecitygardenproject.com/videotour.htm

 

There is another full walk through animation being released this week as well I think.

 

One things that is being overlooked (or perhaps isn't public knowledge) is that regarding the leaders of the campaign against, in particualr Mike Shepherd and Stephen Bothwell this is a personal vendetta against Sir Ian Wood, not necessarily the City Gardens project. Thats not to say that other members of the group against do not have their genuine reasons, with a lot of them coming from a wildlife and landscape background - and many have completely valid points.

 

Regarding the deisgn - I can't understand why any Aberdeen citizen would not want to transform a hole that is an accidental garden not by design, which in reality is a 13m deep bathtub mostly in shade with a train track and dual carriageway as its main feature.

 

Just my opinion like