Spl Vote On Voting Restructure.

[Jigot]

The SPL members are due to vote on Monday regarding the 11-1 mandate as it stands just now.Will it change or will it no?

Which clubs will vote for what and what will their fans think?

[RUL]

Surely the vote will end 11-1 if they've any sense at all remaining.

[Jigot]

Surely the vote will end 11-1 if they've any sense at all remaining.

Well according to BBC Scotland 3 clubs will vote with the munchers,why they would Christ knows.Killie?defo,Murderwell?West coast enough.The Fermers of Perth who knows!

 

There has been very little in the weegie media about this vote,a vote that is being held on a Monday,a day when all the media is still full of the weekend's fitba.

[Bamber]

Well according to BBC Scotland 3 clubs will vote with the munchers,why they would Christ knows.Killie?defo,Murderwell?West coast enough.The Fermers of Perth who knows!

 

There has been very little in the weegie media about this vote,a vote that is being held on a Monday,a day when all the media is still full of the weekend's fitba.

 

 

Us hearts and hibs

 

We have the greatest to lose if the aim is to split the gates

 

if the idea if to change the prize money ok but why the flock should we give killie around 100000 for bringing 50 here when we get 60000 for taking 4 or 500?

[RUL]

I don't think there any's plan to split the gate money?

[Jigot]

Us hearts and hibs

 

We have the greatest to lose if the aim is to split the gates

 

if the idea if to change the prize money ok but why the flock should we give killie around 100000 for bringing 50 here when we get 60000 for taking 4 or 500?

I thought that it was about the way the prize money was divvied out.You make a good point about the gate money.

[vanderark14]

Us hearts and hibs

 

We have the greatest to lose if the aim is to split the gates

 

if the idea if to change the prize money ok but why the flock should we give killie around 100000 for bringing 50 here when we get 60000 for taking 4 or 500?

 

It's got nothing to with gates at the moment.

 

If they decide to maintain the 11-1 vote then the game is over in Scotland

 

Getting rid of the hun scumbags was a move forward and an opportunity for Scottish football to move even further forward. If they don't grasp it then they would have been as well keeping the huns.

[Bamber]

It's got nothing to with gates at the moment.

 

If they decide to maintain the 11-1 vote then the game is over in Scotland

 

Getting rid of the hun scumbags was a move forward and an opportunity for Scottish football to move even further forward. If they don't grasp it then they would have been as well keeping the huns.

 

 

highlighted bit is the problem - we would lose a fortune it clubs decided to go for splitting gates and why wouldnt killie, stmirren, ict, ross county, dundee, st johnstone and maybe even motherwell and dundee united not go for a split gate - it would earn most of them more money than a change in prize money would

 

Just about all of them would find themselves in credit compared to us hibs hearts and celtic

[Jigot]

highlighted bit is the problem - we would lose a fortune it clubs decided to go for splitting gates and why wouldnt killie, stmirren, ict, ross county, dundee, st johnstone and maybe even motherwell and dundee united not go for a split gate - it would earn most of them more money than a change in prize money would

 

Just about all of them would find themselves in credit compared to us hibs hearts and celtic

At the same time would the number of away fans increase?Apart from celtic that is.A lot of the mentality of not attending an away fixture is "why should I give dosh tae they cunts".It's not the only reason ,but it is a factor.

There has certainly been a lack of info about a very important call in our game.

[vanderark14]

highlighted bit is the problem - we would lose a fortune it clubs decided to go for splitting gates and why wouldnt killie, stmirren, ict, ross county, dundee, st johnstone and maybe even motherwell and dundee united not go for a split gate - it would earn most of them more money than a change in prize money would

 

Just about all of them would find themselves in credit compared to us hibs hearts and celtic

 

Why do you think split gates will even be on the agenda? Is this something other leagues do?

[Bamber]

Why do you think split gates will even be on the agenda? Is this something other leagues do?

 

 

because other clubs will have self interest at heart and see they can get nore money by have split gates. It had been mentioned over the summer that some clubs might go for it after a change of voting rights

 

it would screw us hearts and hibs though

 

if you want a reason for 3 clubs to votes against it alongsiode celtic there is a reason for 3 clubs to do so - every other club would be "in profit"

[NorthernLights24]

I read that certain clubs who are eyeing up second spot fancy taking the larger slice of the money currently on offer rather then change anything that might result in equal distribution.

[Ke1t]

highlighted bit is the problem - we would lose a fortune it clubs decided to go for splitting gates and why wouldnt killie, stmirren, ict, ross county, dundee, st johnstone and maybe even motherwell and dundee united not go for a split gate - it would earn most of them more money than a change in prize money would

 

Just about all of them would find themselves in credit compared to us hibs hearts and celtic

 

Then for the good of the game in Scotland, maybe it's not such a bad idea.

[vanderark14]

because other clubs will have self interest at heart and see they can get nore money by have split gates. It had been mentioned over the summer that some clubs might go for it after a change of voting rights

 

it would screw us hearts and hibs though

 

if you want a reason for 3 clubs to votes against it alongsiode celtic there is a reason for 3 clubs to do so - every other club would be "in profit"

 

Ok let's stick with the stupid structure we have right now which means its geared toward Celtic and more than likely the huns if they get back up.

 

No other league has a structure like that and there's no evidence to suggest gate sharing will even happen.

[Bamber]

Ok let's stick with the stupid structure we have right now which means its geared toward Celtic and more than likely the huns if they get back up.

 

No other league has a structure like that and there's no evidence to suggest gate sharing will even happen.

 

 

then change the voting structure in two years time just before they come back

[Tord31]

prize money wise i vote fair distribution although it should be fazed in over a few years.

 

voting structure i'd like to hold onto the 11-1 for another year. only takes 2 clubs to veto league reconstruction (ie bullshit for huns to skip a league) so therefore i say keep it at the mo

[Jigot]

Then for the good of the game in Scotland, maybe it's not such a bad idea.

Maybe so,but there has been no public debate about this whatsoever.The fans become an afterthought once again.It fuckin reeks,as usual.

[Ke1t]

Maybe so,but there has been no public debate about this whatsoever.The fans become an afterthought once again.It fuckin reeks,as usual.

 

Scottish Football, there's never a debate. There's a series of decision made to benefit the 'Big Two', and they're passed off as a blessing for all.

 

Does Sevco still demand 5% of away ticket money?

 

How in the fuck a governing body can allow that is beyond comprehension... it's like the fucking Sopranos.

[Jigot]

Scottish Football, there's never a debate. There's a series of decision made to benefit the 'Big Two', and they're passed off as a blessing for all.

 

Does Sevco still demand 5% of away ticket money?

 

How in the fuck a governing body can allow that is beyond comprehension... it's like the fucking Sopranos.

I comprende but the natural way of things clubs will think of themselves before the good of the game.

My season ticket cost me

[V for Vendetta]

I'm astonished anyone can seriously be suggesting Aberdeen should block a vote to change the voting majority required.

 

And the only reason given seems to be that we can try to keep more cash this way.

 

Would the same people see us slip into the shoes of rangers and look to shaft everyone else just for a few more quid that we'd no doubt piss away just as rangers did.

 

The vote needs changed to operate by a sensible majority not to maintain a strangle hold for any 2 clubs.

 

If there are further discussions about money then we need to fight our own case and rest assured clubs like Celtic, Hearts etc will also be in no rush to subsidise killie either.

[beer gut]

The 11-1 vote must be scrapped. Where in the world do you find a voting system with an 11-1 system where 2 teams can veto everything? Its a fucking joke and the SPL clubs should be ashamed of themselves for allowing it in the first place.

 

Also gate sharing would be a small price to pay if it leads to a more competitive league long term.

[Tord31]

The 11-1 vote must be scrapped. Where in the world do you find a voting system with an 11-1 system where 2 teams can veto everything? Its a fucking joke and the SPL clubs should be ashamed of themselves for allowing it in the first place.

 

Also gate sharing would be a small price to pay if it leads to a more competitive league long term.

 

so you'd approve of a different voting structure even if 7,8,9...clubs wanted sevco in the top division sooner than necessary. I certainly dont and if theres only a couple wanting them to fuck then the voting structure has to stay

[beer gut]

so you'd approve of a different voting structure even if 7,8,9...clubs wanted sevco in the top division sooner than necessary. I certainly dont and if theres only a couple wanting them to fuck then the voting structure has to stay

 

Bollocks, I think most clubs wanted Sevco back in but the fans made it clear this was unacceptable. The voting system had nothing to do with Sevco being dumped into division 3. The voting system needs to be fair. Sometimes decisions will happen that we don't like but if the decision is reached fairly then it more acceptable. It should be a democracy not a dictatorship.

[caledonia]

The 11-1 vote must be scrapped. Where in the world do you find a voting system with an 11-1 system where 2 teams can veto everything? Its a fucking joke and the SPL clubs should be ashamed of themselves for allowing it in the first place.

 

Also gate sharing would be a small price to pay if it leads to a more competitive league long term.

 

agree with this on the voting structure must be changed

It would also be interesting if someone could post examples of other leagues and how they distribute the gate money

[Tord31]

agree with all that but wonder if better to let some more water pass under the bridge before making the changes but maybe enough time has passed already.

[caledonia]

agree with all that but wonder if better to let some more water pass under the bridge before making the changes but maybe enough time has passed already.

 

Do not wait as the the rangers might get shoe horned back sooner than we think

What we need is more of the same as what happened with the the rangers ie fans threatening to boycott clubs that do not vote for the change

killie get ta fuck

[stand_free]

Split gate receipts were only stopped due to single mindedness from clubs. Same reason TV money started to get split the way it is. Big element of pot, kettle, black with arguments on this matter.

[Bamber]

agree with this on the voting structure must be changed

It would also be interesting if someone could post examples of other leagues and how they distribute the gate money

 

 

A lot of american sports split the gates 60/40, we split tv rights and dont individually bargain, we share gates in cup matches

 

 

if you search for spl split gate in google you will see a lot of other fan sites are talking about it - mainily the small teams not surprising given that dundee united would gain aboutan extra 20% from that which is about 1 million to them without rangers in the league- add rangers in and you see a 44% increase

 

So we may not be discussing it (because in general we will lose out) but other teams fans most certainly are

 

get rid of the 11-1 majority but not at the possible expense (yet) of spliting gates - there is no need to get rid of it yet you only need to get rid of it before the other arse cheek returns

[robbojunior]

A lot of american sports split the gates 60/40, we split tv rights and dont individually bargain, we share gates in cup matches

 

 

if you search for spl split gate in google you will see a lot of other fan sites are talking about it - mainily the small teams not surprising given that dundee united would gain aboutan extra 20% from that which is about 1 million to them without rangers in the league- add rangers in and you see a 44% increase

 

So we may not be discussing it (because in general we will lose out) but other teams fans most certainly are

 

get rid of the 11-1 majority but not at the possible expense (yet) of spliting gates - there is no need to get rid of it yet you only need to get rid of it before the other arse cheek returns

 

Under no circumstances should anybody be considering keeping the 11-1 voting. Just because it might not suit us or suit someone else better so fucking what? It's the most ridiculous corrupt system in world football and it should be telt to get tae fuck immediately.

 

Gate receipts and the huns are separate issues and should be dealt with by fans and clubs on that basis. If we start deciding to keep a patently unfair, undemocratic voting system that would only be allowed in North Korea, just because it benfits us, then we are just as bad as the tattie munchers and the orcs.

 

Any of you saying we should keep it should hang your heads.

[Bamber]

Under no circumstances should anybody be considering keeping the 11-1 voting. Just because it might not suit us or suit someone else better so fucking what? It's the most ridiculous corrupt system in world football and it should be telt to get tae fuck immediately.

 

Gate receipts and the huns are separate issues and should be dealt with by fans and clubs on that basis. If we start deciding to keep a patently unfair, undemocratic voting system that would only be allowed in North Korea, just because it benfits us, then we are just as bad as the tattie munchers and the orcs.

 

Any of you saying we should keep it should hang your heads.

 

 

I'm saying we should be very very careful what we wish for - if clubs are going into to remove a 11-1 voting structure then that is fine and no problem - if clubs are going into it for self motiovated aims of gaining financial income at the expense of other clubs (and we are a club that would be on the losing end) then its a completely shit idea.