Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[fatjim]

Its compulsory though with auto enrollments

 

That isn't right mate. You get a 30 day opt out period when you are entered into the scheme. If you miss that you can choose to stop contributing at any point but will be re-entered every 3 years where you can opt out again. You can also choose not to pay the minimums that the government set but this means that your employer doesn't have to contribute at all. (called opting down)

 

You can also take your benefits from 55 if you want to.

[caledonia]

That isn't right mate. You get a 30 day opt out period when you are entered into the scheme. If you miss that you can choose to stop contributing at any point but will be re-entered every 3 years where you can opt out again. You can also choose not to pay the minimums that the government set but this means that your employer doesn't have to contribute at all. (called opting down)

 

You can also take your benefits from 55 if you want to.

Thanks always thought it was compulsory

[BrianFaePerth]

Needs to be a separate forum for this nonsense.

Call that forum -

FAGGOT SHIT.

Talk about politics, Europe, money and pensions in here.

Faggots only.

And best third songs on albums etc

[caledonia]

You fall in to the SNP trap and narrative that everything is the tories fault and anyone who disagrees with any opinion you hold politically must be a tory.

I don't support the SNP only independence so looks like you have fell into the Tory trap of SNPbad

[BrianFaePerth]

Music threads (apart from the one Cockney Don constantly posts his shite on) need moved into the Pub as it’s jukebox related

So tough

You’re not the boss of me.

 

 

Gays may be a junkie living in squalor, but he makes a good point. This EU thing and independence are unlikely to ever happen, are niche interests and way on the other side of the planet. Fuck that shit.

[caledonia]

Not true.

 

The Tories have undoubtedly fucked with the NHS down south but its very naive to assume the same hasn't happened here. The Tories have actually increased spending year on year in the NHS down south more than the SNP have here.

Not true but i look forward to @ForFeckSake highlighting this with a lengthy post and links and what not.

[For Fecks Sake]

Not true but i look forward to @ForFeckSake highlighting this with a lengthy post and links and what not.

@gestapodonia (sounded funnier in my head) do your own fucking research if you care that much about things!

[caledonia]

@gestapodonia (sounded funnier in my head) do your own fucking research if you care that much about things!

Cheers here is the first one

[For Fecks Sake]

^^ fucks sake min, all that proves is Scotland over reliance on public sector jobs as opposed to jobs created in the private sector.

 

You deliberately out to hand 'No' voters ammunition?

[caledonia]

^^ fucks sake min, all that proves is Scotland over reliance on public sector jobs as opposed to jobs created in the private sector.

 

You deliberately out to hand 'No' voters ammunition?

Hahahaha knew you would reply with pish

[craegDAMH]

^^ fucks sake min, all that proves is Scotland over reliance on public sector jobs as opposed to jobs created in the private sector.

 

You deliberately out to hand 'No' voters ammunition?

 

You've spent the last few pages moaning about people point scoring and using hyperbole, then you claim a graph showing Scotland has more GPs per head of population PROVES Scotland has an over reliance on public sector jobs....

 

So what you've done is taken one graph and claimed it proves your unsubstantiated opinion.

 

Good een

[For Fecks Sake]

You've spent the last few pages moaning about people point scoring and using hyperbole, then you claim a graph showing Scotland has more GPs per head of population PROVES Scotland has an over reliance on public sector jobs....

 

So what you've done is taken one graph and claimed it proves your unsubstantiated opinion.

 

Good een

I have taken a leaf out of gestapodonia's book and decided to only look at clickbate headlines and make wild unsubstantiated claims about how brilliant or utterly pish something is depending on the light it portraits Scotland.

 

Think you started doing that a good while back as well

[caledonia]

I have taken a leaf out of gestapodonia's book and decided to only look at clickbate headlines and make wild unsubstantiated claims about how brilliant or utterly pish something is depending on the light it portraits Scotland.

 

Think you started doing that a good while back as well

[For Fecks Sake]

I sussed you as soon as you said “I voted yes but” and then defended the Tories page after page with links and what not.

 

Then you tried to pass it off with only linking to the truth

 

But when you got the chance to link to the truth re health service you could not be bothered and instead tried to pass off more doctors in Scotland as an SNPBAD

Show me where I stated 'more doctors in Scotland as an SNPBAD' then gestapodonia.

[caledonia]

 

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[fatjim]

 

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I appreciate your desire to educate people but remember I have said to you previously that you should always get a balanced view. Wingsoverscotland is a website with an independence agenda which could be argued has a bias. Same can be said for any publications. It's good you are posting where you are getting these graphs from but I maintain that you should always be sceptical about these things and not just blindly accept the stats. Not just this one but everything you post. You used to argue that things must be facts because they were in the media. You admitted you had changed your view on that. However it's healthy to be sceptical and seek a balanced view and check all resources before posting it.

 

I always think disbelieve everything until it is 100% proven. Clydeside Sheep could do with doing that with his mumbo jumbo jewish cult.

[eeps]

Clydeside Sheep could do with doing that with his mumbo jumbo jewish cult.

Lol, very balanced, Ghandi

 

 

[maryhilldon]

gestapodonia

Stop saying that.

[CraigHill]

I think simpledonia is more apt.

[fatjim]

Lol, very balanced, Ghandi

 

 

 

ha ha

[caledonia]

[fatjim]

Actually now I realise you are not references the sources of your graphs. It's the wings link in your signature. Going forward you should reference your sources.

[caledonia]

Actually now I realise you are not references the sources of your graphs. It's the wings link in your signature. Going forward you should reference your sources.

http://www.businessforscotland.com/scotlands-nhs-outperforms-the-rest-of-the-uk-heres-why/

[For Fecks Sake]

Stop saying that.

No or are you against freedom of speech now as well

[Henry]

I agree with maryhilldon, it's cringe of the month by a distance. 

[For Fecks Sake]

I agree with maryhilldon, it's cringe of the month by a distance.

You not following the 'what you drinking today' thread then!?!

[fatjim]

http://www.businessforscotland.com/scotlands-nhs-outperforms-the-rest-of-the-uk-heres-why/

 

That is better. So now all those that dismiss the graphs can not bother to read where it came from.

[caledonia]

That is better. So now all those that dismiss the graphs can not bother to read where it came from.

Nae bothered if the biased here read it or not its intended for the casual viewer

 

Anyway all links can be construed as biased one way or the other

 

Noticed some a few posts back who have preached to me before that name calling is childish and never wins any argument do not practice what they preach I'm so hurt

[Jocky Balboa]

The longer the debate goes on, the more entrenched and partisan people seem to be becoming, sadly. As my family and my wife's family are split on the Scottish and Irish constitutional debates respectively, I have no issues with anyone who is a Unionist purely for ideological reasons.

 

What I do have a problem with however, are blatant falsehoods. One that seems to be still prominent is that voting for the Union is the choice for solidarity and/or leftism. Why is this horseshit? Because not only is the UK of GB and NI an imperial (i.e. ultranationalist) construct at its roots, its modern political landscape is, to a large extent, firmly on the right of centre. Not only have the Tories been in power for approximately two-thirds of the post-WWII period, but Ulster Unionism is almost exclusively made up of hard right movements; the UUP are the most moderate and are roughly level with the Tories, while the DUP - by far and away the biggest Unionist party in NI - are to the right of UKIP and deeply sectarian. The alternatives, the PUP and TUV, are former UVF/UDA paramilitaries and Western Europe's equivalent of the Ku Klux Klan respectively.

 

Some would also point out that every prominent extreme right movement in the UK, without exception, is of a Unionist persuasion... Orange Order, BNP, EDL, Combat 18, National Front, etc. etc.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

I always think disbelieve everything until it is 100% proven.

Do you, aye?

 

I dont recall much sceptisim from you as regards, for example, the questionable concepts of climate change and evolution?

 

Of course, that would not play well with the hipsters down at the comedy club.

 

I agree a questioning attitude is healthy, but not at the expense of open-mindedness.

 

If humanity disbelieved everything until it was 100% proven, it is difficult to see how we would ever have achieved or discovered anything.