Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[maryhilldon]

38 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

AUOB marched in Glasgow today.  Crowd estimates:

AUOB: 5,000

Police: "hundreds"

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

[For Fecks Sake]

9 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

AUOB marched in Glasgow today.  Crowd estimates:

AUOB: 5,000

Police: "hundreds"

They had even made it a joint march with  people angry about gaza, obviously neither group feels it can draw the numbers on its own.  

Remember though, "independence feels frustratingly close".

Personally, it feels like it's not even being discussed anymore. There has been more focus on topics nowhere near the top of the list for your average voter, namely LGBTQ and the failed return deposit scheme, that I cannot think of any independent focused rhetoric coming from the SNP of late.

As someone who believes Scotland should be an independent country, it's frustrating to witness the standard of politicians (throughout Parliament) at present and one thing is for sure, independence feels as far as way as it has been for decades.

[The Gee Man]

12 minutes ago, For Fecks Sake said:

Remember though, "independence feels frustratingly close".

Personally, it feels like it's not even being discussed anymore. There has been more focus on topics nowhere near the top of the list for your average voter, namely LGBTQ and the failed return deposit scheme, that I cannot think of any independent focused rhetoric coming from the SNP of late.

As someone who believes Scotland should be an independent country, it's frustrating to witness the standard of politicians (throughout Parliament) at present and one thing is for sure, independence feels as far as way as it has been for decades.

It’s because all politics has become about individual people! No party leads the conversation. Look at last 4/5 FMQs all Toss from the Tories talks about is individual people not things that we need discussed. Same as PMQs! And they don’t have talk all country down. We actually just need a “Positive Party” to lead us. Towards independence 

[Redforever86]

Controlled by the elites like Sunak the billionaire. That’s the problem. 

[The Boofon]

11 hours ago, maryhilldon said:

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Hundreds and thousands. Sounds like a topper of a march.

[For Fecks Sake]

12 minutes ago, The Boofon said:

Hundreds and thousands. Sounds like a topper of a march.

With a sprinkling of SNP party officials and MSP's, some said as many as 99.

[NEM]

On 5/4/2024 at 11:31 PM, Clydeside_Sheep said:

AUOB marched in Glasgow today.  Crowd estimates:

AUOB: 5,000

Police: "hundreds"

They had even made it a joint march with  people angry about gaza, obviously neither group feels it can draw the numbers on its own.  

Battered his bird again or just wandering about the street pished in his dressing gown? 

[The Gee Man]

Forbes new Deputy in Town 

[For Fecks Sake]

1 hour ago, The Gee Man said:

Forbes new Deputy in Town 

Despite losing the FM battle last year, she is the only one left standing now. Deputy FM, guess that was the price of her not standing for FM this time around.

Good on Swinney taking her into the cabinet though, what is it they say, keep your friends close but your enemies closer?

[ericblack4boss]

2 hours ago, For Fecks Sake said:

Despite losing the FM battle last year, she is the only one left standing now. Deputy FM, guess that was the price of her not standing for FM this time around.

Good on Swinney taking her into the cabinet though, what is it they say, keep your friends close but your enemies closer?

Yep rather her in the tent pissing  out

[The Gee Man]

Swinney trying a different style! Talking like the guy in the pub

[The Gee Man]

Interesting that Swinney attacked a Tory for the way he posed his question but didn’t say anything to Harvie about the personal attacks on Kate. Shows he knows he still needs the green pact. 
 

ps I’m no Tory it’s not a defence of the poor wee soul 

[Jocky Balboa]

Swinney is just a continuity candidate, who will oversee a controlled demolition of the SNP majority in the UK GE and 2016 elections. Then he'll sod off into the sunset with a golden handshake.

You can forget about independence for the foreseeable, but I wonder if letting a unionist majority back in (both in the Scottish WM contingent and Holyrood) is what it needs, to not only focus minds among the independence support, but to remind the unconvinced and the apathetic just how little the 3 main Unionist parties give a damn about Scotland. 

I think Holyrood 2031 will be the decider for the independence movement.

[spamspamspam]

See Dugdale is already prepping us for losing free prescriptions, tuition fees, bus passes etc.

Let them in for a bit I say. It'll wake everyone the fuck up once we level down to England's shittip

[Parklife]

33 minutes ago, Jocky Balboa said:

Swinney is just a continuity candidate, who will oversee a controlled demolition of the SNP majority in the UK GE and 2016 elections. Then he'll sod off into the sunset with a golden handshake.

You can forget about independence for the foreseeable, but I wonder if letting a unionist majority back in (both in the Scottish WM contingent and Holyrood) is what it needs, to not only focus minds among the independence support, but to remind the unconvinced and the apathetic just how little the 3 main Unionist parties give a damn about Scotland. 

I think Holyrood 2031 will be the decider for the independence movement.

No funny names for Swinney? 

"Jobby Swinely", maybe? 

[maryhilldon]

9 minutes ago, Parklife said:

No funny names for Swinney? 

"Jobby Swinely", maybe? 

Don't be childish Parkie.

[manboobs109]

25 minutes ago, spamspamspam said:

See Dugdale is already prepping us for losing free prescriptions, tuition fees, bus passes etc.

Let them in for a bit I say. It'll wake everyone the fuck up once we level down to England's shittip

They should be charging tuition fees anyway. No idea why it's seen as unfair to pay back your fees from future earnings.

[RedArmyFakshun]

10 hours ago, The Gee Man said:

Interesting that Swinney attacked a Tory for the way he posed his question but didn’t say anything to Harvie about the personal attacks on Kate.

2 hours ago, Jocky Balboa said:

a unionist majority back in (both in the Scottish WM contingent and Holyrood) is what it needs, to not only focus minds among the independence support

Perhaps combine the two by visualising KF taking it over the kitchen table

Works for me

[For Fecks Sake]

1 hour ago, Parklife said:

No funny names for Swinney? 

"Jobby Swinely", maybe? 

 

1 hour ago, maryhilldon said:

Don't be childish Parkie.

Has a go at anyone calling former FM's anything other than their names then goading, and failing, to get anyone to call John Swinney something derogatory so resort's to doing it himself.

Enjoy your holiday, not a holiday, min.

[sigh]

12 hours ago, manboobs109 said:

They should be charging tuition fees anyway. No idea why it's seen as unfair to pay back your fees from future earnings.

Aye, should start charging folk to do apprenticeships as well in stead of paying them, or make them pay a training fee back from future earnings

[manboobs109]

1 minute ago, sigh said:

Aye, should start charging folk to do apprenticeships as well in stead of paying them, or make them pay a training fee back from future earnings

Nonsense argument and you know it. 

[sigh]

32 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Nonsense argument and you know it. 

Leave school, go to further education, no pay, support yourself, get a qualification and then a job and be expected to pay back cost of education

Leave school, get an apprenticeship, get paid whilst getting training, get a qualification and then a job and not  be expected to pay back cost of training

Seem fair to you?

[The Gee Man]

35 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Nonsense argument and you know it. 

It is but it’s also ridiculous the amount of these students/apprenticeships who get everything for free, then in a few years start striking forgetting the free stuff they got from us tax payers. It’s not the government’s money it’s ours they distribute 

[manboobs109]

9 minutes ago, sigh said:

Leave school, go to further education, no pay, support yourself, get a qualification and then a job and be expected to pay back cost of education

Leave school, get an apprenticeship, get paid whilst getting training, get a qualification and then a job and not  be expected to pay back cost of training

Seem fair to you?

Yes

[Don Fonte]

15 minutes ago, sigh said:

Leave school, go to further education, no pay, support yourself, get a qualification and then a job and be expected to pay back cost of education

Leave school, get an apprenticeship, get paid whilst getting training, get a qualification and then a job and not  be expected to pay back cost of training

Seem fair to you?

Shut up you fucking retard.

[sigh]

8 minutes ago, Don Fonte said:

Shut up you fucking retard.

Just passing a Friday morning, its a slow day at work

[spamspamspam]

14 hours ago, manboobs109 said:

They should be charging tuition fees anyway. No idea why it's seen as unfair to pay back your fees from future earnings.

Na, just make uni worthwhile, imo.

Too many jobs that never needed a degree now do, things like HR, business admin etc. Go back to the tech college for most and keep uni for STEM subjects. I'm not one for nostalgia and things were better back then etc but when it comes to further education it was. People found their level and if they were late developers worked their way up. 

Do that and employers almost pay for the colleges and the gov can pay uni for those that will actually contribute when they get their degree 

[Don Fonte]

37 minutes ago, sigh said:

Just passing a Friday morning, its a slow day at work

Apology accepted.

[Dons79]

3 hours ago, sigh said:

Leave school, go to further education, no pay, support yourself, get a qualification and then a job and be expected to pay back cost of education

Leave school, get an apprenticeship, get paid whilst getting training, get a qualification and then a job and not  be expected to pay back cost of training

Seem fair to you?

A sung that to the tune of train spotting 😂

[elephantstone78]

On 5/9/2024 at 8:42 AM, alscotoz said:

yep, absolutely...

 

 

 

 

can't think of another cliche 

One I heard that I like that applies to Forbes is young cardinals like old popes.