Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[Joe pike]

1 minute ago, Schapenneuker said:

Well, one of them was to act as a buffer between Scotland and the very worst excesses and evils of the most right-wing, xenophobic, corrupt, inept, dangerous, cuntified government that Westminster has ever inflicted on us. 

You know, the sort of right-wing, xenophobic, corrupt, inept, dangerous and cuntified government that some on here are obviously desperate for. 

For every mistake that the SNP made over the last 8 years, the Tories made it X 100, with bells on, while running down the road kicking every foreigner, gay and trans person that they could find. 

Fucking scum, each and every one of them. As is every single person that looks at them and thinks 'you know, this is a party that fits my values so I'll vote for them'. 

For laying down that buffer, I'll be forever grateful to Nicola Sturgeon.

 

 

Come clean and say what you mean.

[Edwin Starr]

5 hours ago, Joe pike said:

Eddie what do you think were Sturgeons best achievements?

She wears suspenders quite often.

No I don't look I've been told this from someone who's in government .

 

[Joe pike]

1 minute ago, Edwin Starr said:

She wears suspenders quite often.

No I don't look I've been told this from someone who's in government .

 

Only when she visits the French Embassy.

[Edwin Starr]

Just now, Joe pike said:

Only when she visits the French Embassy.

No she wears them at night outs .

 

[Edwin Starr]

Passion right here .

 

[Matt Armstrong's Dog]

2 hours ago, Dad said:

🏿

A comb a week me 👍 ⛹🏿

....does it keep the doctor away min?🤔

[Edwin Starr]

32 minutes ago, Edwin Starr said:

Passion right here .

 

Check my YES flag 

[Crashnyploshnit]

7 hours ago, Schapenneuker said:

'The Spectator'. Fuxsake. 

Anyone quoting for virtually any reason is already beyond hope. 

On a related note, I had a brief look at the online version of The Telegraph this morning. A dozen articles on Nicola Sturgeon, all full of bitterness, hate and vitriol. Made me chuckle. 

She's everything that these right-wing fanatics hate....decent, progressive, liberal, inclusive. 

I like her even more this morning. 

 

I think whoever takes over will not stop the decline in support, much of which was hers.  The successor will be either more hardline and divisive, or more useless and ineffective. I suspect Labour will now pick up a few seats from the SNP at the next general election. 

[Schapenneuker]

19 minutes ago, Crashnyploshnit said:

I think whoever takes over will not stop the decline in support, much of which was hers.  The successor will be either more hardline and divisive, or more useless and ineffective. I suspect Labour will now pick up a few seats from the SNP at the next general election. 

One of the major issues in Scottish politics over the last 8 years is that Sturgeon's presence and personality far outweighed what she was able to achieve, under any set of circumstances. 

An incredibly popular First Minister, people forgot that she was constantly banging her head off the glass ceiling which is devolution. 

One of Unionism's greatest tricks is making many Scottish voters forget exactly what devolution entails. The Scottish government has control of around 25% of Scotland's total economic powers and is ENTIRELY dependent on what happens in Westminster, to be succesful. 

In general, if Westminster coughs, Holyrood gets a cold. 

The fact is, the UK is a failed country and Westminster is a fucking shambles due to the criminal mismanagement of the Tories. That has an unavoidable follow-on for Scotland. 

Never forget, power devolved is power retained. 

 

[RAZOR]

2 hours ago, Edwin Starr said:

Check my YES flag 

Is that Woodcroft? One of my regular routes. I'll doff my cap next time I'm meandering past.

[Guest milne_afc]

https://www.conter.scot/2023/2/15/downfall-how-class-contradictions-ended-sturgeons-dismal-rule/
 

 

[Jocky Balboa]

2 hours ago, Schapenneuker said:

One of the major issues in Scottish politics over the last 8 years is that Sturgeon's presence and personality far outweighed what she was able to achieve, under any set of circumstances. 

An incredibly popular First Minister, people forgot that she was constantly banging her head off the glass ceiling which is devolution. 

One of Unionism's greatest tricks is making many Scottish voters forget exactly what devolution entails. The Scottish government has control of around 25% of Scotland's total economic powers and is ENTIRELY dependent on what happens in Westminster, to be succesful. 

In general, if Westminster coughs, Holyrood gets a cold. 

The fact is, the UK is a failed country and Westminster is a fucking shambles due to the criminal mismanagement of the Tories. That has an unavoidable follow-on for Scotland. 

Never forget, power devolved is power retained. 

 

Very good post. What a lot of Unionists fail to acknowledge, is that it's the UK devolution model that sustained her and her "husband" in power as strongly - and for as long - as they reigned. It is a halfway house that granted very limited powers (which she admittedly has made an arse of, by almost all measures) but leaves no doubt as to where the real power lies. In short, whoever governs at Hollyrood inherits something that is as much a poisoned chalice as it is a haven for careerist losers like Murdo Fraser, Patrick Harvie and Alex Cole-Hamilton. 

Unionists and independence supporters alike are rejoicing at the belated stepping down of this very poor leader, but neither have any right to be smug about the division and constitutional impasse Scotland finds itself in today. For all the SNP leadership's rotten performance, the Unionist "opposition" is even worse, which is as much an indictment on the state of the UK in the 21st century as it is Sturgeon's utter failure to capitalise on this.

[caledonia]

 

[caledonia]

Cringe⬆️

[Clydeside_Sheep]

2 minutes ago, Jocky Balboa said:

 For all the SNP leadership's rotten performance, the Unionist "opposition" is even worse, which is as much an indictment on the state of the UK in the 21st century as it is Sturgeon's utter failure to capitalise on this.

Really this the consequence of the fact that a relatively small country like the UK only needs one Parliament (Westminster).

All the talented people are naturally drawn to the platform where they will have serious opportunities on the world stage.  That leaves only the dross and the shysters for the regional assemblies.

There is no actual point to the Scottish Parliament.  A - ahem - "brain child" of the Labour Party, it was one of those things they "make up" without prompting or demand, to try to pretend there is some point to their party (given socialism is long-since a confirmed failure). 

I voted for the Parliament, as a young fool, but ~25 years later its lack of any significant achievement confirms its redundancy.  Its only another public sector trough.

Labours latest rubbish, to abolish the House of Lords, is in the same vein - making something up (without demand) to try to pretend there is some point to them.    I have no doubt that if they achieve this, it will be a similar unforced disaster to devolution.

(I do not especially care for the priviledge or airs-and-graces which the Lords represents, but - secure in myself - neither am I jealous of it, nor made to feel inferior by it.  I do think it plays an important and useful role in acting as a separate pair of eyes for policy making; Holyrood is all the poorer for the fact it has no such checks and balances, as the recent gender recognition nonsense showed.  Labour will get rid of the Lords and replace it with a cadre of incompetent clowns, much like Holyrood).

And for all the talk about misunderstanding devolution, its really the nationalists who misunderstand it.  They seem to think its a revelation that power devolved is power retained.  It is not.  They seem to misunderstand it as its own sovereign power, which it is not and will never be. 

Case in point was the supreme court referendum farce.  That Holyrood cannot call a referendum on its own initiative is a basic founding principle of the Parliament.  All the judge did was read out the quarter-of-a-century old devolution settlement.  Nationalists seemed to think the fact they lost the case was some dramatic new development - but no, it was only the basis of the founding of Holyrood, which anyone with half a brain knew already.  Another confirmation of the low intellect among socialist-nationalists.

I mean, FFS.

 

[tutankamun]

Nippy and Horse face have been such good tyrannical WEF puppets, they’ve been selected for a promotion. A seat at the top table of the UN or similar beckons.

Like Tony Bliar. Remember when they made that war criminal cunt the UN Peace Envoy to the Middle East?  The place he’d just helped destroy with ‘shock and awe’ over the WMD lie.

[tutankamun]

26 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

Really this the consequence of the fact that a relatively small country like the UK only needs one Parliament (Westminster).

All the talented people are naturally drawn to the platform where they will have serious opportunities on the world stage.  That leaves only the dross and the shysters for the regional assemblies.

There is no actual point to the Scottish Parliament.  A - ahem - "brain child" of the Labour Party, it was one of those things they "make up" without prompting or demand, to try to pretend there is some point to their party (given socialism is long-since a confirmed failure). 

I voted for the Parliament, as a young fool, but ~25 years later its lack of any significant achievement confirms its redundancy.  Its only another public sector trough.

Labours latest rubbish, to abolish the House of Lords, is in the same vein - making something up (without demand) to try to pretend there is some point to them.    I have no doubt that if they achieve this, it will be a similar unforced disaster to devolution.

(I do not especially care for the priviledge or airs-and-graces which the Lords represents, but - secure in myself - neither am I jealous of it, nor made to feel inferior by it.  I do think it plays an important and useful role in acting as a separate pair of eyes for policy making; Holyrood is all the poorer for the fact it has no such checks and balances, as the recent gender recognition nonsense showed.  Labour will get rid of the Lords and replace it with a cadre of incompetent clowns, much like Holyrood).

And for all the talk about misunderstanding devolution, its really the nationalists who misunderstand it.  They seem to think its a revelation that power devolved is power retained.  It is not.  They seem to misunderstand it as its own sovereign power, which it is not and will never be. 

Case in point was the supreme court referendum farce.  That Holyrood cannot call a referendum on its own initiative is a basic founding principle of the Parliament.  All the judge did was read out the quarter-of-a-century old devolution settlement.  Nationalists seemed to think the fact they lost the case was some dramatic new development - but no, it was only the basis of the founding of Holyrood, which anyone with half a brain knew already.  Another confirmation of the low intellect among socialist-nationalists.

I mean, FFS.

 

*Scottish Assembly 

[caledonia]

[tutankamun]

16 hours ago, The Gee Man said:

But if they didn’t raise it we’d get even less 

That’s the con. They’ll keep raising council tax while we get even less services, ad infinitum. Hint: The money they steal from us will never be enough.

They won’t be ever happy until they take ALL our money at source and we survive on whatever handouts they deem we deserve based on our ‘good behaviour’.

[For Fecks Sake]

4 hours ago, tutankamun said:

That’s the con. They’ll keep raising council tax while we get even less services, ad infinitum. Hint: The money they steal from us will never be enough.

They won’t be ever happy until they take ALL our money at source and we survive on whatever handouts they deem we deserve based on our ‘good behaviour’.

Ever thought about standing for a local council election seat ? I mean you moan like fuck throwing these wild, and false, acquisitions about how councils fleece us so perhaps take some direct action and do something about it rather than moaning like fuck on football online chat boards with no clue as to the actual mechanisms behind a council budget.

Just a thought.

[Fasherloon]

6 hours ago, caledonia said:

Compelling argument. That’s me ‘yes’ now.

[NorfolkDandy]

2 hours ago, Fasherloon said:

Compelling argument. That’s me ‘yes’ now.

I guess the 'argument' is why?

[Don Fonte]

14 hours ago, Edwin Starr said:

She wears suspenders quite often.

No I don't look I've been told this from someone who's in government .

 

Do you think she's an attractive woman Eddie?

[Schapenneuker]

10 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

 

And for all the talk about misunderstanding devolution, its really the nationalists who misunderstand it.  They seem to think its a revelation that power devolved is power retained.  It is not.  They seem to misunderstand it as its own sovereign power, which it is not and will never be. 

Case in point was the supreme court referendum farce.  That Holyrood cannot call a referendum on its own initiative is a basic founding principle of the Parliament.  All the judge did was read out the quarter-of-a-century old devolution settlement.  Nationalists seemed to think the fact they lost the case was some dramatic new development - but no, it was only the basis of the founding of Holyrood, which anyone with half a brain knew already.  Another confirmation of the low intellect among socialist-nationalists.

I mean, FFS.

 

The main point in taking this to the supreme court was to PROVE to Scottish voters where absolute power lies. 

Unionists like you would have us all believe that the Scottish government actually has all powers necessary to govern Scotland. It doesn't, it has a handful of the economic powers necessary....the rest are retained by an inept Westminster administration that Scots don't vote for. 

It's like giving a 10 year old a fiver a week in pocket money and telling him to go out and buy a new house. 

You're entitled to your opinion that ALL governance of Scotland should be passed to Westminster, but even amongst Unionists you're in a tiny minority of Scots. 

It should also be pointed out that Scotland under an SNP government, while not performing as well as it should in certain elements, still outperforms the rUK in many key aspects....generally better health statistics, lower crime rates, free education, more progressive tax rates, better inward investment, and less inequality (although not good enough). 

Anyone who says we'd somehow be better off being governed wholly from Westminster under what is almost always a Tory government, is fucking nuts. 

 

[NorfolkDandy]

40 minutes ago, Schapenneuker said:

The main point in taking this to the supreme court was to PROVE to Scottish voters where absolute power lies. 

Unionists like you would have us all believe that the Scottish government actually has all powers necessary to govern Scotland. It doesn't, it has a handful of the economic powers necessary....the rest are retained by an inept Westminster administration that Scots don't vote for. 

It's like giving a 10 year old a fiver a week in pocket money and telling him to go out and buy a new house. 

You're entitled to your opinion that ALL governance of Scotland should be passed to Westminster, but even amongst Unionists you're in a tiny minority of Scots. 

It should also be pointed out that Scotland under an SNP government, while not performing as well as it should in certain elements, still outperforms the rUK in many key aspects....generally better health statistics, lower crime rates, free education, more progressive tax rates, better inward investment, and less inequality (although not good enough). 

Anyone who says we'd somehow be better off being governed wholly from Westminster under what is almost always a Tory government, is fucking nuts. 

 

Yep! 👏👏👏

*But, but, but, the ferries man, the ferries! 

[Edwin Starr]

13 hours ago, RAZOR said:

Is that Woodcroft? One of my regular routes. I'll doff my cap next time I'm meandering past.

Well spotted how did you know that Razor.

Not there now sold up about 5 year ago because it was to big for just my wife and me .I

In a bungalow the now still in the brig of don.

What brings you to Woodcroft avenue ?

[CraigHill]

46 minutes ago, NorfolkDandy said:

Yep! 👏👏👏

*But, but, but, the ferries man, the ferries! 

If the SNP committed to disband and hand over the running of an Independent Scotland to a party that was capable of running the country I would vote yes.

[Ten Caat]

9 minutes ago, CraigHill said:

If the SNP committed to disband and hand over the running of an Independent Scotland to a party that was capable of running the country I would vote yes.

I don't think that will be happening although with their main policy achieved they'd certainly have to focus on the issues that they hadn't done too well with in the years previous.

The current SNP support definitely contains folk who would naturally vote Labour, Lib Dem or Conservative in an independent Scotland (and I'm one of them) but who right now choose to only vote SNP because we see independence as trumping everything else. 

I actually think that post-Indy, what remains of the SNP might well propose a coalition or merger with Scottish Labour after maybe 10 years or so with the intention of ensuring that Scotland could never in future (unlikely as it would be) put a Conservative government in power.

[Bluto10]

it’s friday lads.

[The Gee Man]

15 minutes ago, Bluto10 said:

it’s friday lads.

But in an independent Scotland it would be Saturday every day